Vendzilla

Take away the money, take away the fight

I guess you didn't hear about the woman cop that didn't carry a gun getting murdered.
I guess she believed like Gator that you don't need a gun?

But I'l bite, do you honestly think all 15,273 murders were in a gang?

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

jimmy-3-way

It's not about giving up, there's no fight here. It's about my personal happiness and not railing against the world because it is the way it is. In your lifetime the number of Mexicans in California will steadily increase until the day you die.

That's a fact that will never change. If you live the rest of your life in Cali, you will probably die as a member of the white minority there. If you lived in Texas, the same would be true.

The world is this way because that's the best way for it to operate. Politicans get re-elected, businesses make more money.

Think about Arizona's SB1070. Seems like it was a huge deal and then it just went away...weirdly right after the election. What an odd coincidence that as soon as an unpopular governor got re-elected ginning people like you up against the Meskins, the controversy died.

So weird.

It's almost like the two are related.

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Sly

I'll bite... can you read?

I did hear about the woman cop. And the bordering villages being completely taken over.

Again, though very tragic, why am I supposed to care so much and how is "closing the border" going to stop violence IN Mexico? Thousands and thousands of Mexican troops can't stop it, but hey, the wonder cure is closing the border with the United States. Genius.

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_Richard_

what is also funny is the amount of 'immigrants' who just upped and left anyway

jimmy-3-way

You live in a state that is directly next door to the biggest weed farms in the world and you legalized weed.

Are you just making this up as you go? Oh shit -- I've been trollowned again.

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GatorB

Seriously are you 12?

Where did you learn math? let me color this in crayon for your retarded ass. If you have 100 people paying taxes and 10 of them are paying 70% of the taxes then the other 90 people COMBINED are paying the remaining 30%. Of those 90, half of them aren't paying shit. what is so hard to understand?

Vendzilla

Saying things will never change is giving up. I have nothing aginst mexicans or any culture. What I have an anger is for people draining our economy and the same people that are allow it are asking for more entitlements. It's a drain on the country, a big one. Want universal healthcare? If we saved 1.6 billion a year in just one county by closing the border and changing a few things, by doing it national, we could afford to fund it.

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

theking

Whites in California became the minority race some years ago...the projections are that whites in the nation will become the minority race sometime during this century. I could google the projected year but I don't care to do it.

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_Richard_

"Donald Huddle of Rice University set the benchmark for today's debate with a study that concluded that the legal and illegal immigrants who arrived since 1970 cost the US $42.5 billion in 1992, and $18.1 billion in California. According to Huddle, 7.2 million immigrants arrived legally and illegally in California since 1970, and the state incurred costs of $23 billion to provide them with services--half of the costs were for education and health care, and one-sixth were due to the costs of providing services to US residents displaced by these immigrants.

As with all such studies, Huddle made assumptions about how many illegal aliens there are, their usage of welfare and other public services, the taxes they paid, and their indirect economic impacts. Jeff Passel of the Urban Institute reviewed and revised Huddle's US estimates, and his calculations turned the $42 billion net cost into a $29 billion net benefit.

Most of the $70 billion difference between these studies arises from their estimates of the taxes paid by immigrants--Huddle assumes that post-1970 immigrants paid $20 billion in taxes to all levels of government, and Passel assumes they paid $70 billion. And the major reason for the difference in tax estimates is that Huddle did not include the 15 percent of each worker's earnings that are paid in Social Security taxes, while Passel did--this accounts for over one-third of the $70 billion difference."

GatorB

Native American, Swedish, Irish, German, Dutch, French( or French-Canadian not sure )

GatorB

This is the issue, the whites getting all nervous about not being the overwhelming vast majority.

Vendzilla

Sorry, didn't know you dropped out in the 3rd grade LMAO

Because thats not what you said

You said 47% weren't paying taxes and 10% were paying 70% and 90% were paying 30%. you never said half of the 90% weren't paying anything.
43% are paying 30%, not 90% like your post, according to your post. LMAO what a fucking moron

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

GatorB

Where is the money coming from to pay for closing the border and getting rid of 12 million people? You still aren't answering that question.

moeloubani

you mean the legal american citizens that are here are costing you guys 600 million a year? yeah fuck the babies let them work for themselves

GatorB

YOU are the moron.

Vendzilla

Is this the same guy that said the stimulus package would work?

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think about that

jimmy-3-way

Saying that things will never change is seeing the world as it is.

They aren't draining our ECONOMY. They are draining your pockets a little, which sucks for you. But it's a net gain for the economy. The pay social security that they will never collect, they buy groceries and pay sales taxes and rent apartments.

You righties are so easy to bait.

The people who hire illegals as cheap gardeners and the slum lords who rent them shitty apartments are draining your pockets and you are mad at the Mexicans.

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GatorB

If these anchor babies parents were illegal Canadians or Austrailians or Britons no one would give a shit.

Vendzilla

Closing the borders are easy you fucking troll, cut off aid to them, cut off work for them, or employ them to build the fence as part of getting citizenship, or didn't you even read my posts?

I love arguing with a moron, " No your are"

I guess thats the best arguing you can do, what a simpleton

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think about that

jimmy-3-way

We should hire a bunch of Mexican workers to build the wall from the south side, all those construction jobs would lure them back to Mexico and we have one white guy to close the door from our side and padlock it!

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_Richard_

well it's two different guys, representing two different views that are based on perception and facts.

I was hoping you'd see a little bit of what you're saying in there and see that this issue isn't simply black and white, people aren't morons for stating that they find your views and posts on this subject laced with prejudice, because, in reality, your views and posts on this subject ARE laced with prejudice.

i'm not calling you out or anything man, you know the respect i have for you, but i just wanted to make a big underline about the facts as they are, and your opinions as you state them.

if you feel so strongly about what you're saying, what is the actual financial benefit these 'illegals' have made to your state? i haven't been able to find anything on that

theking

If it is an issue at all...I do not think that it is the primary issue. I think the primary issue is the economic burden placed upon citizens to support illegals. If the illegals are not stopped from entering the country at some point in time the U.S. will become as poor as the countries that the illegals are leaving. While it is currently primarily Mexicans the Border Patrol is reporting ever increasing numbers of illegals from other parts of the world including from the Muslim world...using Mexico as a point of entry.

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Vendzilla

I guess you didnt raise a kid in the california school system, did you?
I guess you didnt hear about congress giving them th ssn money back, did you?
I guess the lefties are easy, because they have no case?

Who brought race into this, oh yeah, the moron, always playing the race card, fucking moron!
One problem at a time moron

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

_Richard_

Vendzilla

So the 28 billion dollar deficit in California is just my imagination? thank god for that!

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think about that

theking

The U.S. certainly can do both but they do not have to deport 12 million as that is not practical to even attempt. If the government wanted to close the border it can be shut down tight within a years time.

For whatever the reasons the government apparently does not want to close the border. I complain to my Congressman every single week about this or that and one of my complaints is about closing the border...but apparently he does not receive enough letters of complaint about closing the border because I do not see him bringing up the subject on the floor of the house...so ultimately it is the fault of the citizens that our borders remain open.

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jimmy-3-way

When's the last time your property taxes went up, genius?

For those of you not living in Ca - eyeball this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califor..._13_%281978%29

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_Richard_

well, in terms of amnesty, the wages and amounts of money being paid by illegals is less than it would be if they were legal

so, if the 'unauthorized' members of the latino workforce were given legal status, that would add $16 Billion dollars annually to your budget

lets say it would take 6 billion (haha) to implement, we just got your deficit down to 18 billion for the first year, and 12 Billion the next

Rochard

The law is anyone born in the US automatically is a US citizen. I get that.

But if you are in the United States illegally, you are committing a crime, it should be considered an illegal birth. And I know what your going to say. That's the law. But why? A crime has been committed here, which should invalidate everything.

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beerptrol

I'd be more concerned about how our government gives billions of tax payer's dollars to companies to build shit thet in the end doesn't end up working. Yet the government never asks them for a refund or tries to recoup any of it.

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JP-pornshooter

that explains why one of the revenue richest states is nearing bankruptcy..
consider all the tax they collect for expensive california real estate and personal income..wow lots of money.

one solution would be to take over Mexico..
i think it would be a win/win.

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Vendzilla

Last year when I had to refinance my house. Any other questions? The state is living beyond it's means with entitlements to illegal immigrants. Prop 13 is in place to try and curb the tax and spending of entitlements in this state by liberal politicains, which is one of the worse!

you're talking about the working ones, the drain is for all the NON working ones on welfare. Do something, contact western union and ask how much money is wired to Mexico each year from the US. Do you know what Remittance is?
Some say it's around 4 billion a year, thats money earned in the US and sent to Mexico to be spent, exactly how is that helping our economy?

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think about that

_Richard_

gets tied up in courts.. they cant get a refund for something when what they're refunding is a matter of national security. so the lawyers of the refundees are saying 'show us docs', the gov is telling the courts that they 'can't show docs, matter of national security'

then it just sits there

_Richard_

yea but in the fundemental 'hunter/gatherer', around the working ones are non working ones. if the working ones have more money, paying more taxes, all your concerns are solved

Vendzilla

Prop 13 was in place to keep the taxes from going up to handle the entitlements, people want the state to manage the money better

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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
think about that

Vendzilla

The non working ones are still a burden, if someone wants to come to the US and work, I have no problem with that. If they come to be a burden, either by sucking off the entitlement tit or illegal activities, then I got a problem.

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think about that

SykkBoy

So, you wave a magic wand and all of this happens?
Ok, close the borders. So,, you want to build a big wall. How much will it cost? How long will it take to build it? Who will get the contract to build the wall? Will that construction company hire illegals to help build it? Will they use union workers? If so, will that bump the costs? You mention having them work building the wall to earn citizenship. What about ones who are already legally here? Can they work too?

Cut them off. How do you do this? Visit each one in their homes and determine if they are legal or not? Do you just tell them "you're cut off"? How many people will need to be hired to handle this? Will they be properly trained and actually know the laws? or will they be useless like a majority of the TSA people at the airport? Who will make sure they aren't getting kickbacks to look the other way?


The reason i ask these questions is while we definitely need to do something, it's not as cut and dried and "easy: as some think it is.

People in our government are already corrupt as it is/ Do you really think they will have our country's best interests in mind...or will they be too busy giving their buddy's cushy jobs overseeing the construction of the walls.

It's not that I don't trust my government...it's that i don't trust *people* in my government.

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Amputate Your Head

what a huge waste of time it is worrying about this.

don't you have better things to do Vend?

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NetHorse

A lot of socialist parasites in this thread. Funny thing is, most of them aren't tax paying American citizens. I bet the people who "don't care" don't even make $20K a year.

I also find it hilarious that some of you uneducated idiots are bringing race into this discussion. What I also find hilarious is, no other country in the WORLD has more tolerance towards immigrants, both legal and illegal.

Mexico?

Canada?

Europe?

Australia?

HAHA!!! Their immigration policies are WAY harsher than ours. Oh, what, you think it's racist because we don't support illegal immigrants costing American tax paying citizens billions of dollars? Well, here is a big fuck you. Stay in your shitty intolerant bureaucratic countries with sky high taxes, we don't care for your perspective.

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Nikki_Licks

I would tend to agree with you....

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Vendzilla

Actually, it's simple, overturn the judges decision on prop 187, Enforce Reagan's law (Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986) and amend the 14Th amendment. Then put a stop on western union transfers to Mexico. After that, we can afford the wall, put a lot of people to work

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Live shows hopefully will start next week, then I'll have more to do

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think about that

PornoMonster

Wow, Spoken like OBAMA.

Will not raise your "Income Taxes"
But every other tax, surcharge, sales tax, State Taxes, and anything else they want to call things.
Most of the welfare is State Level, State Taxes.

Open your Eyes..

KillerK

Doesn't make any sense that we allow people to enroll in School when they aren't here legally.

Grapesoda

why is it prejudge to expect foreign countries to pay for their own citizens?

ReGGs

You do realize that the "anchor babies" are citizens right? Regardless of what you think or who their parents were they were born in the US and are citizens. The end.

WarChild

This is awesome. It's like watching two retards playing chess! Let the GFY Special Olympics Political Debate continue.

Who can count to potato first?!?

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