Engaging in philosophical discussion is fun, everyone agrees that health care is a right, everyone that doesn't is a sack of shit, etc...
until the discussion enters the real world and someone brings up the question: "so who will pay for it?"

Would you be willing to pay extra for everyone to have access to free health care? Lets say extra few hundred bucks per month over what you already pay to cover those less fortunate, those unable to afford health care?

Thank you for explaining a simple concept to the moron.

Once again, awesome rebuttal dude.

No. I'm in the UK and the Department of Health coughs up $450,000 p/year for drugs and a fit nurse to shove them into me :)


Just looked through two different US insurance policies and it's listed as "Unacceptable Medication" meaning as well as refusing a pre-existing condition they wouldn't pay for it later either even if a policy was taken out before diagnosis.

And private companies are super good at managing funds and not wasting money.

*cough* BP

Most of those complaining are happy because, today they can afford their medical insurance. However if they lose their job, ability to pay or for any reason the Insurance company denies their cover. They will change sides.

The American system is simple. "I'm all right Jack, so fuck you if you're not." :321GFY

The problem is, it can become.

"I'm not alright now and I'm fucked." :Oh crap

Sorry to hear about your condition. I hope the medications help.

Cough Federal Reserve Cough

Actually, they take the whole $58,560 and, after minimal administrative expenses, invest it and look to double down on their profits and hope they never have to pay out a dime.

I agree with you that who will pay is an issue, especially when small businesses are going to be forced to either fire their workers or pay usurious insurance prices (simply 100% no deductible paying for their workers' healthcare won't do.)

But it is a misnomer to say the debate is about healthcare. In countries not dominated by private insurers, healthcare doesn't cost as much as it does in the US.

People will talk about needing insurance because they need a $50k operation, when that is the same price as 5 years of insurance. Can't afford a $50k operation means can't afford $10k a year for insurance.

SO if we had a better economy, more people would be insured, hhhmmm, too bad the democrats didn't see that and worked on the economy instead of spending so much time on the healthcare bill

Last I looked the Republitards have the majority in congress.

NOW who's wasting time rehashing the healthcare debate, instead of focusing on jobs?

Typical "I'm alright Jack." Reply.

Even in the most successful economy there will be the unemployed, disabled, old and those between jobs.

Thank God the recession can be totally blamed on the Democrats and the Republicans had nothing to do with it.

:1orglaugh

Yes they could of done with better supervision, under the Republicans. :1orglaugh

Do you know what Congress is? I'll give you a hint. It doesn't include one thing, but two. We have the House, which is controlled by the Republicans, and the Senate, which is controlled by the Demotards. So tell me dumbass, how do the Republicans have a majority in "congress" when both groups are mutually exclusive? ROfl

I went to get a script refilled last week. Price $76. last month was $48. After some complaining, Walgreen's found I could again qualify for one of their discount plans since I have no insurance. Revised price, $11. Something smells.
Private insurance companies are crooks. I've known several people who got fired about the time they reached 50. My ex-wife worked in an office of 200 girls in their early 20's. As they were all getting close to 10 years and vested retirement, they fired some, then closed the office and moved it 1000 miles so no one would move. Just before the move, my ex got the axe for having a baby. Couldn't sue as they blamed it on poor work performance. But we did sue and win for unpaid overtime.
They treat their customers the same way.

Have you tried any other pharmacies? Walgreens wants to charge me $30 for something I can get at Target for $2. Needless to say, I use Target.

America is fucken unhealthy in every way. IF we want better health care need to outlaw all the shit food and drugs everyone is shoving down their throats.

Then find a company not in the US to run the money.

How we find our life's happiness in food everyday is sick.

And what did they just pass in the house, but as always, they've been in power for a couple weeks and the democrats are comparing them to Nazis

Our system needs work, a lot of it. But Obama tackled it at the wrong time and focused all the energy on the democrats not working with the GOP, something like this should have been passed with a 2/3rd vote, period. When they denied the GOP any say in it, they denied half the public of any say, thats where they fucked up.

These threads on health care or health insurance are interesting. I think that GFY members know about as much about it as the US lawmakers and probably a bit more than the general public. Sad but true.

And what the fuck does it have to do with people from outside of the US? Why do they have to get all bent up? I dunno...

Agenda 21 is in motion ...............

Stunned that you guys don't have a universal health care system like just about every other 1st world and most other countries have. Even a badly run Govt system will beat the idiotic profit driven system you have at the moment.

You Aussies are spending almost $5k a year per person on health care. You must have it right down pat.

Foreigners have no idea how bureaucratic the government systems are in the US. One of our biggest problems is the amount of health care that runs through our Medicare, Medicaid, VA, etc.

Ah really .. yeah i don't really know how good or bad your govt is at things. It's just kinda odd looking from afar and seeing such a mess. It's a shame you guys cant just scrap the whole system and start from scratch.

You're absolutely right. All these people bitching about "1st world countries" don't really understand the structure of the governments of those countries, nor the low population compared to the US.

US National Health Expenditure Data

The Organisation for Economic and Co-operation and Development [OECD] released the ?OECD Health Data 2009? report which compares the health care statistics across OECD countries.

Yes Paul, you have made the point that our government running things does not work by the Medicare and Medicaid spending growth and that the public share is less than any other OECD country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:To...la rs_PPP.png

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934556.html

Yes the US does seem to be spending a ton of money on Health Care.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2102rank.html

And yet it doesn't seem to work. :Oh crap

If ALL the money spent on Health Care in the US was put into a National Health scheme like other modern countries have. Everyone would be better off. Maybe facilities wouldn't be like the 5 star I see on the TV or Movies, maybe not even like in "The Bucket List".

But you would be covered come what may. So would your children, parents and Grand Parents (if you have them still). You would be covered if your business went belly up, if you became unable to work, or if you developed something the insurance company found a way to avoid paying on.

Prescription medicine here for me is free, I'm classified as an invalid, for Eva and our daughter $5 a piece. when my Mother lived in CA. My brother had to drive to Mexico to buy the insulin she needed. She could hardly afford to go see the doctor. Now she lives in the UK, it's free. Shes 82.

You might have to work till you drop to pay medical insurance.

It wont be repealed. It wont be replaced.
The struggle for political power at all costs continues.
Same bat time. Same bat station.

see mortgage crisis -> world economy collapse.

So it suddenly came to me what might of caused the spending on Medicare and Medicaid to grow so much.

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/Surv...id=LNS14000000

Expect it to grow more. Just pray you're not one of those that needs Medicare and Medicaid in the future. You're attitude might change if you're one of those claiming and thankful it's there.