i like the conveience of it, out and about and want to buy a song just click the app and search takes 2-3 mins tops, i have no problem paying £99p for a song, im not skint, in fact ive got over 100 songs on my iphone all paid for!

i still have 50 bucks in my itunes account, whats some good beats?

Go ahead and download all the free music you want. Just please don't complain when you get (a) sued for doing it (b) your house robbed (c) your content stolen, etc. Coz after all, all of your stuff should be free too.

But... I cant afford 'Free'...

Why not?

That is the mindset that has everything fucked up.

You wouldn't walk into a store and shoplift a DVD or CD. Well, maybe you would, but most people wouldn't.

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you're liberating it from the chains of capitalism. :1orglaugh

Bad things come with stealing, some music is getting harder and harder to find. I know some shit i tried to download a few songs and i could listen to them on my computer. But they were locked in and couldn't be moved to an iPod, cellphone or MP3. Some license or something was missing. I donno, i just buy the songs i want.

are you in this biz? Why for porn when I can get it for free? let me ask you this, is it ok to sneak into a movie theater without paying? I'm not actually TAKING anything. So it should be ok then.

If I am ever so broke that not only can't I pay a dollar for a song I let everyone know about it I'll shoot myself.

Why not? It's a product with a payment system in place to create profits for the creator. When you bypass that system, you are stealing. It's simple economics, dipshit. Maybe you wouldn't understand because you've never created anything to sell. You just consume, consume, consume, and let someone else pay for it. You're a leech, basically.

The only thing that allows you to steal music is lack of real consequences. That doesn't make it OK. I doubt if you could even wrap your brain around these simple concepts.

Artists will NOT cease to exist because of downloading.

Get rid of cds and dvds and there will be just as many artists and movie studios.

Get rid of distribution, get rid of pimple faced sales staff and get rid of the overpricing of paying for a whole CD to get one good song.

Bands make a minimal cut from the sales of cds itself. Even a big band like Metallica only makes 10-15% off sales. A newer artist is lucky to make 5%. The rest goes to distribution and all other parts of the industry it passes through to reach you. From the initial injection moulding of the plastic disk to the store cash register. The labels only end up with enough to cover legal matters and repaying a loan the label has given to each artist to record the music in the end.

Downloading could be more profitable for the industry as a whole if they got rid of the physical cds and dvds. The bands make money off tours and OTHER tangable merchandise like t-shirts, hats mugs, advertising etc etc.

Labels make money off advertising and a cut from the other tangable goods as well.

It's funny that they can only make money from the stuff that's harder to steal.

I just don't feel one bit bad about downloading music off torrents and whatnot at all.

If you want to support the artist, watch their ad enabled videos, buy band merchandise and go see their shows.

Nobody's making any noticeable money except the middle men with the physical CD (which happens to wear out, scratch and become USELESS way too easily.

You do not have any ownership of anything that the CD plays for you once you buy it anyways. You only have ownership of the physical disk itself. You are allowed to make one backup copy unless there's copy protection which crashes a Mac on load and installs a rootkit on your HDD, circumvent that and you are guilty of a federal offense but even-so once your original disk becomes unplayable from damage you no longer have rights to play the music you supposedly "paid" for.

Also, because of the distributor's and label's greed over this $0.03 plastic and/or corn based polymer disc you are also paying levies on hard drives, media cards, thumb drives, mp3 players and any blank cd/dvds/cassettes to recoup the "loss of profits" in the music industry. They just don't tell you that the real loses are just in the manufacturing, physical distribution and retail sectors... which is not owned or operated by any such label(s). The only exception is Sony/BMG. They own the container ship the little plastic disks are shipped overseas on.

Think about that for a few seconds...

Fuck 'em!

I remember back in the day concerts were $10 - $20, now those same tickets are at least 10 times that and it sure isnt from people not paying for their tunes, started way before that. I saw The Who back in 1982 for like $18, saw them again in 2007 and it was $275 a ticket. Who is stealing from Who?

Seriously, if some of you guys can't/won't drop a $1 on a good song, you're life is fucked. You can claim every excuse known to man, but stealing music when it only costs a dollar, says everything anyone would ever need to know about you as a person.

Leeches gonna leech. :2 cents:


Let me guess, they should be playing for free too?

In that 25 year span, what do you suppose the increase was in gas, energy, personal insurance, vehicle insurance, wages, travel expenses, location rental, location insurance, and general inflation? And... it's The Who.

I paid a few hundred dollars to see The Eagles in Bangkok a couple of months ago. Paid it without any complaints and it was worth every penny. Some groups can get top dollar, and you will usually get what you pay for. But it's not cheap for the large acts to tour.

Everything in the world should be free!! Lol, if it were, we'd still be living in the stone age.

And I don't feel one bit bad about downloading YOUR content off of torrents either.

Think about that for a few seconds...

Fuck YOU!

Hey Burger King only pays $7.25 an hour and their moms make them pay rent. I mean even with a half off coupon taking a date to Applebee's is expensive.

What hasn't anyone metioned what Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails have done... to get theri music out there..

The donation model.

Itunes does alot of things right but what I don't like is how some of my favorite songs of all time were never HITS on the album and the only way I got exposed to them was listing to the complete album from start to finish.

I also miss ALBUM ART... I used to stare at record covers all the time and be thouroughly excited when you got a TAPE and it folded out like an accordion with lyrics, pics and the only way I would find other bands was to read who the band thanked.

yeah right, i bet none of the people here responding have always paid for all their music. Hypocrites.

id much rather just pay for the song and know i'm in the right

I don't see the reason for calling names or insulting each other. We are all allowed to have our own opinions on the matter...and you are all allowed to disagree, but you dont need to be so mean about it.

I pay for music because I myself am an indepenent musician and I actually sell my albums on iTunes...it's where I make most of my money for being a musician since I am in no position to go on tour or sell merchandise.
I also pay for the convenience of iTunes. They have a great platform and everything is so accessible and easy to find. Plus, it is ultra compatible with all my Mac products.

Let's also remember that the new iTunes Match service ($24.99 per year) will begin soon.
iTunes determines which songs in your collection are available in the iTunes Store. Any music with a match is automatically added to your iCloud library for you to listen to anytime, on any device. Since there are more than 18 million songs in the iTunes Store, most of your music is probably already in iCloud. All you have to upload is what iTunes can?t match. Which is much faster than starting from scratch. And all the music iTunes matches plays back at 256-Kbps iTunes Plus quality ? even if your original copy was of lower quality. This means you can get ALL/ANY of your illegally downloaded or low quality music from iTunes for just $25 per year...unlimited amount of songs!

It almost sounds too good to be true, but I think it's great.

yes you are your taking a seat in the theater

if that show sells out a person who paid for that showing will be denied that showing

It's basically a bunch of cheap fuckers who steal under the pretense of "creating a new paradigm".

I'm currently fighting my addiction to music ...

i can't wait for the day where i can download a cheeseburger.

Yes because a $1 song defines me as a person. Sorry but that's my view as a musician as well as a consumer.

I don't produce content so that's a pretty weak comparison.

There's a difference. The procuders lose money on illegal downloads on porn, nobody loses money on music and movie downloads aside from the middle men. I see where you are coming from but the whole music industry has been corrupted since the 1950's. A work of art that costs 10-20 bux in the music store nets the artist 50 cents and the label a dollar.. Bands would make more money hosting their own music and doing their own 'distribution' with help of a label.

I didn't say it was right to download mp3s, movies or whatever but if you steal a car will the owner still have the car? No. If you just copy something the owner will still have it.

It isn't right to copy things but it's surely not as bad as to steal something that you cant copy. Get it?

So no, you cant compare stealing a car with copying music.

AMEN!!! :thumbsup:thumbsup

Album art rocked..

iTunes is something I will never use in my life aside from the first time I got an opid and it wiped half my music collection due to the default settings they had at the time. What turned me away the most though was all my buddies that over time lost their entire collections due to database fuckups, losing passwords, changing pcs, copy protection against other mp3 players etc etc. Apple has had a long history of fuckups with that platform and you never actually "own" the song. You just rent it and they can revoke it at any time and remove it from your system without warning and without compensation.

Back in the day you went to see a show at a bar, bought a vinyl and you OWNED IT. No company could take that way from you.

I create music, I wish to distribute it. However unless I use a social network platform full of everyone else's ads I cannot even begin to afford distribution. There used to be a really cool service that allowed unsigned artists to upload, share, sell and even have CD's printed and shipped right to the customer's door. Guess what, RIAA made so much bullshit over it that the service got the balls sued off them for potential loses to the 'recording industry'. So I'd be forced to sign to a label and let them, along with the distributors, take 95% of the cut. Even unsigned, if I copyright my works the legal way I still have to pay into an RIAA sanctioned entity to collect proceeds from my own shows...

I'm not straight-up advocating illegally obtaining people's hard work so people get shit for free however I have my reasons to not support the industry one bit.

I used to frequent mp3search.ru back before it kept switching names. Downloaded as much I you wanted for 5-10 cents a track. They would pay the RIAA what was considered fair for profits for them and bypassing distributors which low and behold turned out to be roughly the same profit for the band and label as a CD sale would be and the website itself was able to cover hosting and development. Minimal profit margins.

Services like that is where my support lays until the distribution and physical 'disks/mediums' are completely abolished in favor of digital mediums. We need more services like that and bands need to stand up to the big recording industry giants and support a platform that bypasses everyone making money off someone else's work.

Now there's a better step in the right direction....

I buy from BandCamp whenever possible.

Not all artists can do a donation model - there must a fan base to get there - but I know a lot of little guys who use BandCamp or similar services to let the end user decide how much the album is worth to them. Not all places are lucky enough to be able to support favoured artists by going to shows - not every where gets them, remember? Artists and their labels have to pick and choose where makes the most sense to book - and if the booking agent doesn't think the local scene will support a show, the show doesn't get booked.

In those cases, it does make sense for me to show my support for that artist by helping boost their iTunes sales to get them more exposure and increasing their audience - then I can support them more directly by attending a show for them in the future.

What if the theater is only 1/4 full? Then I'm not taking anything. The seat I am taking would still be empty.

That's right if it's not a sellout you can sneak in. But then you are not a broke loser so paying for a ticket is no big deal. :thumbsup


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Cool. And I guess I can sneak in my own snacks because after all I never intended to buy the movie theater snacks so its ok. I mean why should an unwillingness to pay for anything stop one from enjoying the things one likes?

Wait, wait ... back in more foolish times did you ever buy popcorn from a concession stand? If you did that entitles you to time shift a small buttered at least.


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Because it won't always work. Depends on the group. Only those with die hard loyal fans would pay when given the option to have it free.

I gave for the NIN release. Don't remember how much, but I enjoyed it and paid for it.

But really, that's all it is anyway these days. You can get it for free somewhere, or pay for it at iTunes or Band Camp. People have an option to pay or not pay, one of them options just isn't a favorable one.


Why wouldn't some people always pay for music? Not everyone believes it should be stolen.

Actually, in this case it does. It is also the concept that goes along with it. It doesn't matter if you *think* it should be free or not or even if you agree with any aspect of why they are charging you. The fact is, they are asking for money and you refuse to pay for it, and steal it from them.

Otherwise, just go download tracks from artists who want to give it away for free, and not those who sell it.

I don't believe in a lot of things for various reasons, but that doesn't mean I am in the right and can live a lawless life with no accountability. It's only my perspective of the situation, but that doesn't mean I'm right. It is your perception that music should be free. Those selling it disagree. Guess who's in the wrong? Hint... it's not the people selling it. It is their product, they have the final say. When it is your product, you have the final say. Give it away, sell it, trade it... whatever you want to do, you can do, because it's yours.


OK, how about you let strangers joy ride your car every night? Long as it's back by the time you wake, it's not stealing. You'll still have your car.

You can try to justify theft until the end of time. It doesn't matter what you're taking, if it's not yours and you take it without permission, it is stealing. And that is fine, but don't call it something else and make excuses for it. Just fucking say you steal it, and own your actions. And don't worry, we'll all still talk to you.