Is finding a programmer impossible?

[carzygirls]

Should I google "programmer" and go that route?

I was so confident that the adult industry had the best professionals and after about 4 programmers.... no good.

Where are all the good programmers? help

[fris]

most of the good ones are either on contract or booked up for months

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by carzygirls

Should I google "programmer" and go that route?

go for it let us know how that turns out for ya....

[will76]

Originally Posted by carzygirls

Should I google "programmer" and go that route?

I was so confident that the adult industry had the best professionals and after about 4 programmers.... no good.

Where are all the good programmers? help

what do you need done, someone to build something for you, manage it, or both ? I have very good programmers working for me. I could potentially help you out.

one of my programmers has worked for me for 8 years the other about 4.

[Agent 488]

http://www.fiverr.com/

[carzygirls]

Originally Posted by will76

what do you need done, someone to build something for you, manage it, or both ? I have very good programmers working for me. I could potentially help you out.

one of my programmers has worked for me for 8 years the other about 4.

icq 360151609

I have 2 projects that I was quoted a month ago to take 2 and 3 hours... then another project which is bigger that was quoted half hourly wage because it is an ongoing project.

I have no projects completed and a month later...

[Agent 488]

this guy seems ok.

https://gfy.com/member.php?u=121942

[carzygirls]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

this guy seems ok.

https://gfy.com/member.php?u=121942

can't access, keeps asking me to log in and I have no idea what my password is.

Who is she?

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by carzygirls

icq 360151609

I have 2 projects that I was quoted a month ago to take 2 and 3 hours... then another project which is bigger that was quoted half hourly wage because it is an ongoing project.

I have no projects completed and a month later...

So what happened with this one: http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...=997676&page=2

Originally Posted by carzygirls

It took a few hours and reason being the code is disorganized. That being said I am extremely happy with how things are proceeding and am going forward with a bunch more sites/tasks because I was satisfied with the guy's ability to decipher a site that was put together poorly from the start and made it happen anyway.

Like I originally said, I wanted somebody who can do the job and not charge outlandish fees and a bunch more work will be given as a result

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by carzygirls

can't access, keeps asking me to log in and I have no idea what my password is.

Who is she?

change the link from gfy to gofuckyourself http://gofuckyourself.com/member.php?u=121942

[carzygirls]

Originally Posted by sarettah

change the link from gfy to gofuckyourself http://gofuckyourself.com/member.php?u=121942

I was looking for you... wanna give it a whirl?

360151609

[sarettah]

Originally Posted by carzygirls

I was looking for you... wanna give it a whirl?

360151609

No thanks, I am behind on several jobs as it is so I can't fit anything new in.

[Slutboat]

I have extensive experience finding, hiring, training, and firing programmers. Mainly Indians - here is the deal - you need to learn a little code, how to read it - not write it - you watch what they are are doing and educate yourself about what scripts cause what actions in your websites. This way you know if what they are doing for you is worth what you are paying them. And you can train other programmers to pick up where they left off.

If you wanted to build a hot rod and hired a car builder - but knew nothing about cars - you would get taken to the cleaners. Code is no different.

Also, many people will say that Indian Programmers suck - they are fools. I have a programmer for 8 bucks an hour that is more brilliant than most $75 an hour americans - and reliable, and I trust him with the most sensitive servers.

However - many Indians are very unreliable and will work slow and disappear on you. You have to go though many duds to find that gem - trust me it's well worth the effort.

[carzygirls]

Originally Posted by sarettah

No thanks, I am behind on several jobs as it is so I can't fit anything new in.

don't worry about it. last time you chimed in you asked way too many questions i would likely choke you through your computer screen

[carzygirls]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

I have extensive experience finding, hiring training, and firing programmers. Mainly Indians - here is the deal - you need to learn a little code, how to read it - not write it - you watch what they are are doing and educate yourself about what scripts cause what actions in your websites. This way you know if what they are doing for you is worth what you are paying them. And you can train other programmers to pick up where they left off.

If you wanted to build a hot rod and hired a car builder - but knew nothing about cars - you would get taken to the cleaners. Code is no different.

Also, many people will say that Indian Programmers suck - they are fools. I have a programmer for 8 bucks an hour that is more brilliant than most $75 an hour americans - and reliable, and I trust him with the most sensitive servers.

However - many Indians are very unreliable and will work slow and disappear on you. You have to go though many duds to find that gem - trust me it's well worth the effort.

my buddy told me that he gets cheap help on getacoder or some shit. says its mostly indians but if you give exactly the scope of work you can get a 1K job done for 100 bucks.

It's so not what I want though... I want my projects up and working, I do what I do and then make money.

[Slutboat]

Originally Posted by carzygirls

my buddy told me that he gets cheap help on getacoder or some shit. says its mostly indians but if you give exactly the scope of work you can get a 1K job done for 100 bucks.

It's so not what I want though... I want my projects up and working, I do what I do and then make money.

Even when I have a major mainstream client that has any budget for coding - I use my Indian guys - not because they are cheaper, but because they are better. But it's a hard find. Good luck in your search.

[cam_girls]

I got a great cheap programmer, I code myself but if it's a tedious job like skinning a forum I just give him $50 and he does great work. Not only that he's the only person apart from Stile (project) who's professional to deal with and offers suggestions, replies promptly, gives you his schedule etc. etc. You never let these guys go.

23 at DNforum.com. I'll send you his email if you want it. [email protected]

[carzygirls]

Originally Posted by cam_girls

I got a great cheap programmer, I code myself but if it's a tedious job like skinning a forum I just give him $50 and he does great work. Not only that he's the only person apart from Stile (project) who's professional to deal with and offers suggestions, replies promptly, gives you his schedule etc. etc. You never let these guys go.

23 at DNforum.com. I'll send you his email if you want it. [email protected]

I will have to pass. Reason being I was the guy telling you to not sell yourself short and get a PR guy on board.

Stile charges out the ass for listings and his sites no longer hold water. you told me before that you were not buying from him... now, you are.

WHY DON'T YOU LISTEN... PEOPLE IN HERE WILL EAT YOU ALIVE AND STEAL ALL YOUR MONEY. Jesus... it's ok... it's like beating dumb into dumber

[cam_girls]

well that's the biggest non sequitur I've ever read!

[Kiopa_Matt]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

Also, many people will say that Indian Programmers suck - they are fools. I have a programmer for 8 bucks an hour that is more brilliant than most $75 an hour americans - and reliable, and I trust him with the most sensitive servers.

India is a big country, so I'm sure there's a few good programmers in there, but from my experience, 98% of them do suck. No creativity, no innovation, they don't provide suggestions leaving the client (generally with little technical expertise) responsible of making all technical decisions, their code is a sloppy mess, there's no comments or indentation, file structure is almost always horrific, etc.

Nowadays, I just simply refuse any projects that previously had Indians involved. It's simply not worth the hassle.

[Linguist]

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

India is a big country, so I'm sure there's a few good programmers in there, but from my experience, 98% of them do suck. No creativity, no innovation, they don't provide suggestions leaving the client (generally with little technical expertise) responsible of making all technical decisions, their code is a sloppy mess, there's no comments or indentation, file structure is almost always horrific, etc.

Nowadays, I just simply refuse any projects that previously had Indians involved. It's simply not worth the hassle.

Yep. Truth. The adult industry is also notorious for weekend/part-time warriors who heard that their buddy got something made for $100 when it should've cost $2000. It happens but like already mentioned, you gotta weed through 30 Indians to find that good one who doesn't know what he's worth.

Bottom line: if you penny pinch on code, be prepared to go through coders. Otherwise, pay the industry standard rate ($80-$150/h) to get shit done.

Considering that auto-mechanics charge $75/h+ it surprises me that people try to find a "good deal" on programmers.. which is as much if not more skilled profession than an auto-mechanic.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Linguist

Yep. Truth. The adult industry is also notorious for weekend/part-time warriors who heard that their buddy got something made for $100 when it should've cost $2000. It happens but like already mentioned, you gotta weed through 30 Indians to find that good one who doesn't know what he's worth.

Bottom line: if you penny pinch on code, be prepared to go through coders. Otherwise, pay the industry standard rate ($80-$150/h) to get shit done.

Considering that auto-mechanics charge $75/h+ it surprises me that people try to find a "good deal" on programmers.. which is as much if not more skilled profession than an auto-mechanic.

you sound like a coder and seem to take it personal that people try to find better deals.


the difference is that I can only find so many local auto mechanics and the $75 an hour they charge for labor goes to the shop, they make a lot lot less than that.

Where as a programmer can be located in any part of the world. In places where the cost of living is very low therefore they can do the same job for 1/4 the price of someone in the US and live 10x better.

And also I've paid the $80 - $100 an hour for local based coders before just to have them never follow through. The best programmers I found were over seas where $20 an hour was equal to about $100 here and they did a great work and valued their job. It was a lot more then they could make in their area and they lived very well because of it.

I've personally never had good experiences with Indian programmers and can't stand the ones that nickle and dime you and ride the clock. No matter who you use you need to go through a lot of bad apples to find a good one.

[munki]

Quick - Cheap - Quality

Pick 2

[Kiopa_Matt]

Originally Posted by will76

you sound like a coder and seem to take it personal that people try to find better deals.

the difference is that I can only find so many local auto mechanics and the $75 an hour they charge for labor goes to the shop, they make a lot lot less than that.

Where as a programmer can be located in any part of the world. In places where the cost of living is very low therefore they can do the same job for 1/4 the price of someone in the US and live 10x better.

It depends on the job. If you're just looking for script kiddie shit that the average 13yo can do, then yeah, Indians are great. Modify Wordpress, create a specialized contact form, proxy verification script, or whatever. They're great for that, and might as well use them, because they're cheaper.

Send specs to an Indian for a large-scale 200 hour dating site project though, and see how well they fare. Guaranteed it would turn into a disaster. And if that's your bread & butter, you probably don't want to fuck around with $12/hour Indians.

[greg80]

www.freelancer.com

[brassmonkey]

make sure your details are in writing. every single feature.

[Klen]

I had a russian dude which was really good and cheap but he suddenly gone.Considering he was living in Thailand,i wonder did he had accident with some of the ladyboys :D

[Dodododa]

I use www.rarefly.com. They're Indian and work for $10 an hour. As long as your project isn't extremely complicated they'll be fine (It's tough to explain elaborate plans if the programmer's English isn't very good).

[HomerSimpson]

contact me if you need something taken care of
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[bl4h]

think you have to be a programmer...to know how good or bad another one is.

I think when they leave you might have asked for something that's beyond their scope.

When they show you their portfolio look for stuff that requires a lot of math to create, cause that's what limits a lot of programmers to simple applications.

but then again thats sort of misleading because languages like PHP do a lot of the hard stuff for you, and what looks like a complex piece of engineering might not have required much thought at all

[Errors]

Yeah it's hard to find good programmers unless you are going to employ one. I tried for quite some time to get a extension made for my image hosting site. I needed a lot of features. Finally got one though.

[czarina]

contact Tanguy, best programmer ever with a solid reputation.

[signupdamnit]

Most people here seem hellbent on paying rock bottom prices and using overseas guys. In my opinion if you do this you deserve what you'll get.

[fris]

Originally Posted by carzygirls

I will have to pass. Reason being I was the guy telling you to not sell yourself short and get a PR guy on board.

Stile charges out the ass for listings and his sites no longer hold water. you told me before that you were not buying from him... now, you are.

WHY DON'T YOU LISTEN... PEOPLE IN HERE WILL EAT YOU ALIVE AND STEAL ALL YOUR MONEY. Jesus... it's ok... it's like beating dumb into dumber

cam girls doesnt know much about stile, since he doesnt even own stileproject

[pristine]

The good programmers on GFY are rarely ever actively looking for new work.

[woj]

Originally Posted by fris

most of the good ones are either on contract or booked up for months

very true, anyone that is good, doesn't troll rentacoder or gfy for work, they have work lined up for the next 6 months...

[aless]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

I had a russian dude which was really good and cheap but he suddenly gone.Considering he was living in Thailand,i wonder did he had accident with some of the ladyboys :D

Don't tell me. I've worked with him too. Last time I spoke to him was Dec 8. He did me a great script, only a couple of things to fix but I can't get a hold of him. I've emailed him countless times, no answers. If you manage to get a hold of him, tell him I'm looking to give him more work as well.

[sheken]

I'm available for some PHP programming.

I'm based in Canada and have higher rates than 8$/h. I can quote per project/script however.

ICQ: 5109209

[Klen]

Originally Posted by aless

Don't tell me. I've worked with him too. Last time I spoke to him was Dec 8. He did me a great script, only a couple of things to fix but I can't get a hold of him. I've emailed him countless times, no answers. If you manage to get a hold of him, tell him I'm looking to give him more work as well.

Hmm last time i got mail from him was 11.11.His mail start with dcmail,that's same guy right ?

[sheken]

Originally Posted by sheken

I'm available for some PHP programming.

I'm based in Canada and have higher rates than 8$/h. I can quote per project/script however.

ICQ: 5109209

And for those working on hiring/rewarding programmers for larger projects, the following will be an interesting viewing if you have time: What motivates us

https://youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

[myneid]

I always love threads like this.
There actually are many really good programmers out there. I have specialized in programming in adult with my company since 2002. Problem a lot of times is that anybody worth their merits is going to cost you. If you cannot afford a whole lot, you are not going to get somebody reliable. Also its the same thing as with hiring somebody on, your personalities need to mesh as well. A lot of times deals fall through because there is a personality conflict or each party fails to respect the others skills and experience.
A good developer is someone that has skills and experience, which is not something that anybody can just step into.

[shake]

We've had good luck using elance, rentacoder and other sites like that for smaller projects.

[carzygirls]

Originally Posted by myneid

A lot of times deals fall through because there is a personality conflict or each party fails to respect the others skills and experience.
A good developer is someone that has skills and experience, which is not something that anybody can just step into.

Retainer work and jobs accomplished need to mesh as well. For instance, an update is done to site and then something else goes wrong, problem brought to programmer's attention and then something else goes wrong. At the end of the month all problems fixed created from first change and the other 3 jobs untouched. $2500 spent for what was expected to be half a day.

I do know a bit about your skills but I disagree about personality conflicts. Get er done, take a look at what was done, and charge accordingly. Never in 3 years have I had a problem with Mike W. doing designs and he is not cheap either, but gets it done.

[masterut]

check my folio, regards.

[Varius]

Skills can be learnt, Experience cannot.

Good programmers have skills, great programmers have experience (well, I'm sure they have skills too).

You want experience, you have to pay for it. Most people are not willing to, thus the plethora of threads all across the 'net about "hired a programmer, he didn't do the job, looking for a new one and looking to pay $10".

Can you find gems in foreign countries? Can you get surprising quality and efficiency at low rates? Of course you can. Can you buy a lottery ticket and win millions of dollars? Of course you can.

Happy New Year everyone!!

[carzygirls]

Originally Posted by masterut

check my folio, regards.

You did mrpinks.com ? Sending you an email now

[masterut]

Originally Posted by carzygirls

You did mrpinks.com ? Sending you an email now

Yes, I did.

[jesse_adultdatingdollars]

Finding a real pro programmer is difficult for sure.

[camperjohn64]

I'm totally booked. Thought I would have an opening, then got swamped.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Slutboat

Also, many people will say that Indian Programmers suck - they are fools. I have a programmer for 8 bucks an hour that is more brilliant than most $75 an hour americans - and reliable, and I trust him with the most sensitive servers.

Amazing story sire.