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		 Well, its not wrong per se; its just calculated differently. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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		 GA is well known not to be 100% accurate, and there's a plethora of different reasons for this to happen. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			Your best bet is server logs. Or even better, a custom Apache module. 
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		 Google always shows less than I actually have. But it is somewhat accurate in other ways, such as the percentages of where it came or bounce rate. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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 lets say, server records 1000 hits, 100 of those hits are bots/crawlers/visitors who weren't able to load the page/etc 1000 is accurate if you are interested in knowing how many "hits" your site received.. 900 is accurate if you are interested in knowing how many human "visitors" your site received... If you are a server admin, "hits" may be more of interest to you... If you run a business, like some of us here, I would think number of human visitors is more "accurate"... 
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 The best way to get good & accurate stats is internally, on the server side. That way the hit gets tracked before the page even loads, versus firing off some Javascript to a remote server after the page is already loaded. How you filter & use that data is up to you, but it's the best way to get accurate data. 
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	I don't take either of them as gospel though, I am more concerned with trends as far as whether traffic is increasing or decreasing, what it's doing and where its coming from than I am about getting a perfect head count of visitors. It would be nice, but I don't think I will be in a position to fix anyone's stats counter anytime soon.  | 
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 That's why these types of traffic analyzers will never be 100% accurate and people need to have their own statistics on each domain.  | 
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		 Compared to what? Awstat is close to useless in identifying your organic traffic. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
	
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		 We use google analytics and piwik. I had a discussion with Choker before and he was referencing Alexa constantly. GA may not be 100% but Alexa is worse especially for metrics like bounce rate and time on site. Those are 2 areas where quality is measured. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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		 Been playing around in the back-end of Piwik recently, and it seems like an excellent piece of software.  I only have two beefs with it: 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			1.) GeoIP -- Piwik doesn't determine the user's location very well. It wouldn't even determine the correct country many times, let alone city. I had to modify it to run off Maxmind's GeoIP database. 2.) The archiving process is extremely inefficient. I'm not sure why they developed it the way they did. Once I get my feet a little more wet with it, I'll submit some suggestions to the development team over there. 
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	The reason choker is investigating is probably because with all the crap traffic being sold through his portal there is a big chance that a xx percentag of it is bot/no ref traffic. Google will count that differently. Id say choker needs to analyze his stats, not just look at the total number. I bet a lot of the hits not counted arent counted for a reason. And seeing his personal attacks in this very thread im glad i dont buy his traffic anymore! Waiting for his meltdown, 2010 must have been a very bad year for him.  | 
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		 Yes, I see this a lot. I send X amount of traffic to a range of sponsors and those sponsors are pretty spot on to what my script says I sent. But I have been seeing that google stats can be way off. It is frustrating.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
			As a matter of fact I just did a test buy from Choker and it was 55/60% off. Im blaming google not Choker on this one. 
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		 And that isn't many. Surfing with no java isn't a very pleasant experience these days. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
	
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		 I have always heard that any javascript counter is going to miss 10-20% of your visits. I don't use GA to count traffic but I do use it for other things. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
	
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		 I never was for me in the past but recently it has been. I test my traffic by sending it to sponsors to make sure the script is saying what I sent is what I sent. I send the traffic to different sponsors using different tracking systems. I am never off by more than 15%. But the google stats are wayyyyyyyy off.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
			You know me I have never fucked anyone, thats not how I do business. So when someone comes and says their google stats are off, much like Choker, I take it seriously. I have tested and tested again and found the exact same thing choker is talking about. 
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		 55% - 60% off is sky high.  I've never heard anyone claim GA was that far off.  In fact I've rarely seen people claim over 20%.  Are you sure GA is that far off? What are your server stats showing? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 ga often hangs when i go to sites, pure speculation but i would guess it gets busy and fails to log many people , along with the fact that the hanging js may affect your sites useability causing your site not to load properly and thus lose visitors 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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		 Yup... we reported this on YNOT a couple years ago.  Google analytics is innaccurate, end of story. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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	ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 ![]() Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o  | 
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 Warning: file_put_contents() [function.file-put-contents]: Only 0 of 22843 bytes written, possibly out of free disk space in /home/df144user/oneclicktube.com/www/index.php on line 24 Warning: file_put_contents() [function.file-put-contents]: Only 0 of 3 bytes written, possibly out of free disk space in /home/df144user/oneclicktube.com/www/index.php on line 26 You are a joke. 
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		 I have been saying this forever. I hate when people ONLY use google analytics and nothing else. It is def not 100% accurate and tons of other things it does not count as well. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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		 You are too much of a coward to tell me your account name at chokertraffic, tell me the account name then i'll consider your wage, funds will be sent to a escrow service though, I know you dont have the money so I'm not worried about it. I know for a fact turkish traffic was bought to your site from me. This was about the same time many threads were about concerning you sending your trades turkish traffic, coincendence? I think not. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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		 we both know you are full of shit and you use the lies of mu buddy rick that wanted to trash my biz back then to make that story believable now  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
	we also both know my name was cleared back them by ALL the people i traded traffic with, in public, BY those very people there was a very large thread about it on another forum. where, guess what NONE of the people that did any biz with me could confirm a flood of turkish traffuc coming from my sites. A few months ago the rumor surfaced again, fed by people like you, that i was doing it again, and that time it was again confirmed that my traffic quality was above average. This time backedup by a third party traffic trading service, with screenshots. My accountname is mrfrisky, i told you this many tines before. Now be a man, and backup your claims about me ordering turkish traffic from you. Please make sure to include receipts/invoicenumbers, we all know how easy it is to fake some photoshop shit. Im taking you on, 10,000 usd, the ball is in your court. Proof or shut the fuck up and admit your nothing more then a lying piece if shit. Quote: 
	
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		 lol funny thread with choker and jack 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
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		 in my experience GA is pretty inaccurate compared to server logs, around 30% less seems about right. However, I use the ratios and percentages as analytic measures and it helps a lot, better than anything else out there. Of course, if you need absolute numbers, well, just use your server logs, I can't even imagine why anyone would use a script for that  
		
	
		
		
		
		
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		 It's gonna get funnier, hey frisky marco whatever your real name is, is this your site? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
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 ![]() And choker, I'll be buying some test traffic from you soon. Always open to finding new sources ![]() 
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		 javascript off = GA doesn't track 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
	
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		 depends on what you're using it for. Works pretty good for most things we need it for 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
	
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		 skimmed traffic gets closed before the whole page loads. its that fucking simple. I close the page that loads as soon as i see it redirect to www.domain.com instead of domain.com/bbw/video1.html 
		
	
		
		
		
		
			the reason peopel say it works is cause they get real traffic, NOT skimmed crap traffic. 
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