George Zimmerman @ SmokingGun

[Grapesoda]

JULY 12--The lead investigator in the Trayvon Martin shooting case told the FBI that George Zimmerman was not a racist, but rather an ?overzealous? and ?soft guy? who had a ?little hero complex,? according to documents released today by Florida prosecutors.

The records include a variety of FBI reports compiled in the course of a bureau probe examining whether the February shooting of the unarmed teenager was racially motivated. Individuals interviewed by federal agents uniformly described Zimmerman as mild-mannered and harboring no racial or ethnic prejudices.

As seen at right, the documents included an evidence photo (click to enlarge) showing Martin?s bloodstained sweatshirt.

In an April interview with two FBI agents, Christopher Serino, the Sanford Police Department?s lead investigator on the Martin killing, said that he believed Zimmerman?s actions ?were not based on Martin?s skin color rather based on his attire, the total circumstances of the encounter and the previous burglary suspects in the community.?

Serino also ?described Zimmerman as overzealous and as having a ?little hero complex,? but not as a racist.? Noting that he had spoken with Zimmerman on numerous occasions and ?feels like he knows him fairly well,? Serino said that he believes Zimmerman did not want to be a cop because ?cops have a bad reputation and are bullies, but he wants to be a judge.? Serino added that Zimmerman was a ?soft guy.?

Also included in the released records was a Florida Department of Law Enforcement interview with a male friend of Zimmerman?s who recounted what the shooter told him after being released from police custody the morning after Martin?s killing. The man, whose name was redacted from the FDLE reort, is an Army veteran with whom Zimmerman and his wife lived with in the weeks following the February 26 shooting.

The witness told investigators that Zimmerman recalled spotting a ?fidgety tall guy? loitering near a residence. After calling cops to report a suspicious person, Zimmerman said he was confronted by Martin, who asked, ?Do you have a problem Mother Fucker?? Zimmerman said he responded, ?No, I don?t have a problem.? Martin then allegedly said ?You do now,? and struck Zimmerman in the face. Zimmerman reported seeing ?stars,? and ?fell back, first onto his butt and then on to his back.?

As he struggled on the ground with Martin, the teenager (seen at left) sat atop Zimmerman in the ?mounted position? and punched the neighborhood watch captain in the face and head and slammed his head on the pavement. After Martin reportedly realized Zimmerman was carrying a gun, he reached for the firearm, stating, ?You?re gonna die now Mother Fucker.?

Zimmerman, however, slapped Martin?s hand away from the gun and fired a single shot into the teen?s chest. The witness recounted that Zimmerman said Martin?s final words were, ?You got it, ok, you got it.?

The friend told investigators that Zimmerman was estranged from his family, and that his ?very strict and dominant mother? hit him ?all the time? when he was growing up. Zimmerman?s father, the man added, ?did not stick up for the kids as they were abused by their mother.?

FBI agents, the records show, interviewed Zimmerman?s former fiancée in late-March. The woman, a hairdresser who met Zimmerman at a Supercuts around 2001, detailed the demise of the couple?s relationship.

The woman, whose name is redacted from an FBI interview report, told agents that ?the only negative thing she could think of with respect to Zimmerman was that he had a bad temper during their relationship.? His ?worst behavior,? she added, ?was when he talked about killing himself ? after intense arguments.

Zimmerman, the woman recalled, would ?get depressed and talk about driving his car into a lake or taking a bunch of pills.? This behavior, the woman thought, ?was designed to get her attention or to garner her sympathy.?

Zimmerman?s ex-girlfriend said he was ?the last person? she would expect to be involved in a shooting incident, explaining that he ?was not the type of person to place himself in a physical confrontation.?

A female co-worker of Zimmerman?s told the FBI that when the gunman returned to work the day after the shooting, he looked ?horrible.? Zimmerman, she recalled, described being ?mugged? by Martin, who bashed his head on the ground while saying, ?you don?t know who you are messing with? and ?now you?re going to die motherfucker.? As described by Zimmerman, the woman told agents, ?Martin was kicking the crap out of? him.

The co-worker described Zimmerman as ?absolutely emotionally devastated? over the Martin shooting. ?I shot him,? the woman quoted Zimmerman as saying. After a pause, he added, ?I killed him.? (7 pages)

[GetSCORECash]

What a mess this has become.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by GetSCORECash

What a mess this has become.

reminds me of the Rodney King bullshit.. the cops were found not guilty after the jury saw the 'unedited footage' of the 'beating' from I've seen in reports... HOWEVER due to the bias media presentation 50 innocent people got killed and billions of dollars worth of damage.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

reminds me of the Rodney King bullshit.. the cops were found not guilty after the jury saw the 'unedited footage' of the 'beating' from I've seen in reports... HOWEVER due to the bias media presentation 50 innocent people got killed and billions of dollars worth of damage.

Yea except they were found guilty by a Federal jury, guess they saw a different 'unedited' version of the beating.

[BIGTYMER]

We are nearing a boiling point.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Yea except they were found guilty by a Federal jury, guess they saw a different 'unedited' version of the beating.

political pressure see if you can parse this
http://www.amazon.com/Intellectuals-...=thomas+sowell

[brassmonkey]

why is all this shit being leaked to the media? to fuck up the case if there is one??

[blackmonsters]

Every bit of that shit is irrelevent.

He followed a guy for no reason and ended up shooting him.
It's a manslaughter at least and a 2nd degree murder at most.

There is no self defense claim when you pursue someone without cause.
The pursuer becomes the attacker because he has no legal right to stop or detain
someone for simply walking home.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

why is all this shit being leaked to the media? to fuck up the case if there is one??

good point... lots of guys need a few bucks I guess

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Yea except they were found guilty by a Federal jury, guess they saw a different 'unedited' version of the beating.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Every bit of that shit is irrelevent.

He followed a guy for no reason and ended up shooting him.
It's a manslaughter at least and a 2nd degree murder at most.

There is no self defense claim when you pursue someone without cause.
The pursuer becomes the attacker because he has no legal right to stop or detain
someone for simply walking home.

you need him to be guilty for personal reasons that have NO basis in truth or the facts of the case. so for you it doesn't really mater what is revealed about anything because your private agendas demands an outcome that satisfies your particular needs.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you need him to be guilty for personal reasons that have NO basis in truth or the facts of the case. so for you it doesn't really mater what is revealed about anything because your private agendas demands an outcome that satisfies your particular needs.

Says the guy who started the thread with all these important facts.

[bushwacker]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Says the guy who started the thread with all these important facts.

[Tom_PM]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

why is all this shit being leaked to the media? to fuck up the case if there is one??

Because we have no laws preventing it and somebody can benefit from it being out there. So, yeah to get people to pre-judge.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Every bit of that shit is irrelevent.

He followed a guy for no reason and ended up shooting him.
It's a manslaughter at least and a 2nd degree murder at most.

There is no self defense claim when you pursue someone without cause.
The pursuer becomes the attacker because he has no legal right to stop or detain
someone for simply walking home.

Yo be more precise, you have absolutely no idea of what went down. We already know that reporters have been fired for misrepresenting the facts. Don't get hung up on what you read on GFY or your local paper.

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Yea except they were found guilty by a Federal jury, guess they saw a different 'unedited' version of the beating.

I guess you are too young to remember the facts, but the Feds charged them with a civil rights violation not assault with a deadly weapon and excessive use of force by a police officer. Two different trials with two different charges in two different jurisdictions.

Besides, it was a foregone conclusion they were going to be convicted the second time; they did not want another riot.

[devilspost]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Every bit of that shit is irrelevent.

He followed a guy for no reason and ended up shooting him.
It's a manslaughter at least and a 2nd degree murder at most.

There is no self defense claim when you pursue someone without cause.
The pursuer becomes the attacker because he has no legal right to stop or detain
someone for simply walking home.

He didn't just follow him he tracked and ambushed him. I think he knew where Trayvon was heading around the building so the hunter ran around the other side of the building, headed him off at the pass and stopped him. He wanted to use his gun he loved his gun he wanted to make it work.

Also you got to be retarded to think he didn't say those "fucking coons always get away" on the 911 tape.

I hope his wife is recording his rants that would be some good entertainment.

[SuckOnThis]

No one is leaking shit to the media, Florida has an Open Public Records Act.

http://myfloridalegal.com/sun.nsf/ma...2566F3007272EA

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

No one is leaking shit to the media, Florida has an Open Public Records Act.

http://myfloridalegal.com/sun.nsf/ma...2566F3007272EA

a media circus

[ThunderBalls]

Originally Posted by baddog

I guess you are too young to remember the facts, but the Feds charged them with a civil rights violation not assault with a deadly weapon and excessive use of force by a police officer. Two different trials with two different charges in two different jurisdictions.

Same fucking thing.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls

Same fucking thing.

I am glad you have such a well-rounded knowledge of the law. Don't quit your day job.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by baddog

I am glad you have such a well-rounded knowledge of the law. Don't quit your day job.

this place has its laughs

[maxjohan]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

After calling cops to report a suspicious person, Zimmerman said he was confronted by Martin, who asked, “Do you have a problem Mother Fucker?” Zimmerman said he responded, “No, I don’t have a problem.” Martin then allegedly said “You do now,” and struck Zimmerman in the face. Zimmerman reported seeing “stars,” and “fell back, first onto his butt and then on to his back.”

As he struggled on the ground with Martin, the teenager (seen at left) sat atop Zimmerman in the “mounted position” and punched the neighborhood watch captain in the face and head and slammed his head on the pavement. After Martin reportedly realized Zimmerman was carrying a gun, he reached for the firearm, stating, “You’re gonna die now Mother Fucker.”

Zimmerman, however, slapped Martin’s hand away from the gun and fired a single shot into the teen’s chest. The witness recounted that Zimmerman said Martin’s final words were, “You got it, ok, you got it.”

Hopefully, the guy will get some time in jail(no?).

I can tell a bullshit story from a true story quite easily. I had the same type of bullshit hit me once. A "hot head" told his story with no holding back. Just out right far fetched lies. Those compulsive liars seems to never tell believeable stories??? lol

It's easy to see that Zimmerman's story is full of shit.(if you are a "good guy", and has some experience with possibly "compulsive liars", and the like.)

Just my 2 cents about Zimmerman. But I might be wrong of course. He (Trayvon) could of course have said: “Do you have a problem Mother Fucker?”

And, the reaching for the gun part... lol

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by maxjohan

Hopefully, the guy will get some time in jail(no?).

I can tell a bullshit story from a true story quite easily. I had the same type of bullshit hit me once. A "hot head" told his story with no holding back. Just out right far fetched lies. Those compulsive liars seems to never tell believeable stories??? lol

It's easy to see that Zimmerman's story is full of shit.(if you are a "good guy", and has some experience with possibly "compulsive liars", and the like.)

Just my 2 cents about Zimmerman. But I might be wrong of course. He (Trayvon) could of course have said: ?Do you have a problem Mother Fucker??

And, the reaching for the gun part... lol

I have no idea what happened however I doubt very seriously if the 'media and black political activist' do either $.02

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Says the guy who started the thread with all these important facts.

just pointing out some articles at smokingun... glad you think biased racial agenda is so funny

read this and have a real chuckle

http://www.amazon.com/Intellectuals-...=thomas+sowell

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Rednecks...=thomas+sowell

http://www.amazon.com/Conquests-And-...=thomas+sowell

[maxjohan]

Originally Posted by baddog

Yo be more precise, you have absolutely no idea of what went down. We already know that reporters have been fired for misrepresenting the facts. Don't get hung up on what you read on GFY or your local paper.

LOL... so where did you read about those reporters being fired?

Any proof?

Bascially you are saying that we shouldn't care about the case. Are that what you are saying?

I think it's good to care. But that's just my opinion.

Seems like you are a little biased(maybe?) and on the Zimmermann side of what I've read in other threads. But I could be wrong? No?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by maxjohan

LOL... so where did you read about those reporters being fired? lol

Any proof? lol

Bascially you are saying that we shouldn't care about the case. Are that what you are saying?

I think it's good to care. But that's just my opinion.

Seems like you are a little biased(maybe?) and on the Zimmermann side of what I've read in other threads. But I could be wrong? No?

Jeez, way to prove you know nothing of what you speak.

http://www.google.com/search?q=nbc+r...ient=firefox-a

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...mployee-319991

Wake up.

FYI: Your ability to comprehend English is a little weak if you came to the conclusion that I even hinted people should not care. The point, my friend, was that the media twisted this story up in the beginning so people in Sweden would think the US is fucked up.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Every bit of that shit is irrelevent.

He followed a guy for no reason and ended up shooting him.
It's a manslaughter at least and a 2nd degree murder at most.

There is no self defense claim when you pursue someone without cause.
The pursuer becomes the attacker because he has no legal right to stop or detain
someone for simply walking home.

yeah i'm with you.

grapesodas own facts confirm zimmerman committed at least manslaughter. He had low self esteem, was carrying a gun, demonstrates immaturity with his comments to ex GF, & worried enough about martin to call the cops before either of them collided.

whatever happened from there only zimmerman knows. But Zim had the gun, martin had skittles, & zims gun killed an unarmed man who was committing no crimes except wearing a hoodie.

thats all the facts i need to convict.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

yeah i'm with you.

grapesodas own facts confirm zimmerman committed at least manslaughter. He had low self esteem, was carrying a gun, demonstrates immaturity with his comments to ex GF, & worried enough about martin to call the cops before either of them collided.

whatever happened from there only zimmerman knows. But Zim had the gun, martin had skittles, & zims gun killed an unarmed man who was committing no crimes except wearing a hoodie.

thats all the facts i need to convict.

I hope you are never a defendant . . . . but what facts did grapesoda point out that suggested manslaughter?

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by baddog

I hope you are never a defendant . . . . but what facts did grapesoda point out that suggested manslaughter?

i listed them in my comment. law enforcement finds zim has low self esteem. his suicide comments to ex-gf suggest a lack of judgement and/or maturity.

other things to consider is that martins dad is not a thug. that martin had skittles & THC in his blood (cause we all know how violent stoners with candy are )

im sorry i just dont believe for a second that martin approached zimmerman. & when does a stoner just go & attack a person following him for no reason?

my bet is that Zim initiated a confrontation, blows were traded, they wrestled, & at that point zim got the best of martin & shot him.

its pretty clear from thesmokingun piece that Zim had no business possessing a firearm in his mental state. He used terrible judgement just having a gun in that spot, the cops were at the scene within minutes. just because the second amendment allows for guns doesnt mean people with mental issues should own them. The result of which, was this tragedy & an unarmed kid dead.

[Joshua G]

another thing. being a gun owner carries responsibility in where the gun is stored, how its used, & decisions by its owner in terms of circumstances to use it. a mature person, someone with proper firearm training, knows not to even place themselves in the predictament zimmerman found himself in. & maybe shoot the thigh instead of the torso? total lack of judgement, & when you combine this with grapsodas info, seems fairly obvious to me Zim lacked the maturity to handle his gun, & an unarmed person is dead.

[maxjohan]

Originally Posted by baddog

Jeez, way to prove you know nothing of what you speak.

http://www.google.com/search?q=nbc+r...ient=firefox-a

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...mployee-319991

Wake up.

FYI: Your ability to comprehend English is a little weak if you came to the conclusion that I even hinted people should not care. The point, my friend, was that the media twisted this story up in the beginning so people in Sweden would think the US is fucked up.

Well I do know a thing or two. Maybe? lol

But anyway, I checked out that hollywoodreporter video, and it seem slightly biased. No, "fucking coons/cold" on that video of what I heard. Maybe there's more than one video out there? And this is the latest... lol

When the story was posted here the first time. I think the recording was way longer than 4 minutes, if I remember correctly, that is. See how they changing calls now... without mentioning other calls from the same guy?

They should make an article on one of those news sites and link to every call from Zimmerman during the last 10 years or something. Maybe that could make us judge him
and the case, better. Instead of milking it small pieces at a time.

But I agree, it's hard to know what's true or not, or even made up stuff.

Maybe, "trust no one" is a good motto.

See how I changed some of the "lol's" in my post to this:

It means: no hard feelings.

You didn't say if you sided with Trayvon or Zimmerman?

Maybe, you're on either side?

[Joshua G]

zimmermans account lacks credibility. his own version of the facts is that he did nothing wrong at all. that martin was the aggressor, was winning the fight, & innocent zim was just defending himself from the violent potsmoker. the dialogue to me seems contrived. when does an unarmed teen, by himself, pick a fight with a stranger whose following him?

pretty clear, from the 911 call before the fight, zim was in the wrong mental state for a person packing heat. the dispatcher said not to follow him. Zim did it anyway, out of some paranoia the hoodie kid would get away. the gun possessor has responsibility to not place himself in a confrontational situation. or, if attacked, run & clear some distance, then pull out the weapon & shoot it in the air. given martin had no weapon, there was no excuse for zims actions, none.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

yeah i'm with you.

grapesodas own facts confirm zimmerman committed at least manslaughter. He had low self esteem, was carrying a gun, demonstrates immaturity with his comments to ex GF, & worried enough about martin to call the cops before either of them collided.

whatever happened from there only zimmerman knows. But Zim had the gun, martin had skittles, & zims gun killed an unarmed man who was committing no crimes except wearing a hoodie.

thats all the facts i need to convict.

not my facts by any means. just an a piece apparently pulled from public recodes posted on the smoking gun. I have no vested interest in this case other than seeing the actual facts of the situation speak for themselves in a court room as opposed to the media creating a case for advertising revenue or some creepy political agenda.

I will restate my view on the situation: I have no idea what happened. only 2 people do and one of them is dead.

at this point even if that black kid rose from the dead like Jesus and admitted he attacked Zimmerman and it was killed in self defense everyone here would cry 'white conspiracy-Illuminati cover up'

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by joshgirls

another thing. being a gun owner carries responsibility in where the gun is stored, how its used, & decisions by its owner in terms of circumstances to use it. a mature person, someone with proper firearm training, knows not to even place themselves in the predictament zimmerman found himself in. & maybe shoot the thigh instead of the torso? total lack of judgement, & when you combine this with grapsodas info, seems fairly obvious to me Zim lacked the maturity to handle his gun, & an unarmed person is dead.

no one has ever disputed that zimmerman is a moron. the dispute is this, is zimmerman a cold blooded killer.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by maxjohan

You didn't say if you sided with Trayvon or Zimmerman?

Maybe, you're on either side?

maybe baddog is willing to let the judicial system sort it out without his spewing of random biased racial conspiracy's.

maybe baddogs life isn't about 'watching reality TV, jerry springer and a heavily politicized press' to try and sort out the meaning of life'. just sayin' you know?

[maxjohan]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

maybe baddog is willing to let the judicial system sort it out without his spewing of random biased racial conspiracy's.

maybe baddogs life isn't about 'watching reality TV, jerry springer and a heavily politicized press' to try and sort out the meaning of life'. just sayin' you know?

Well, at least you tell it like it is. As "racial conspiracy's".

Personally, I think Zimmerman is in the wrong for killing somebody. But that's just my Swedish left wing brain speaking. We don't run around with guns here in Sweden.

We hunt for moose and so on. But we don't run around with handguns(pistols), on the streets.

I stopped watching reality tv years ago. I don't even watch a lot of tv now days. It can go a week, and I haven't watched any tv. Just saying...