they have already take down mastercard and the swiss bank

hahahah, how about the freedom to leak paysite passwords ? or the freedom to leak full lenght movies on tubesites ?

you also oppose the government closing them down ? wikileaks is to the government the same as what illegal tubes are to porn webmasters :2 cents:

and to continue on that note

I am not the government so I don't care about wikileaks ( wikiboring) being available or not , same as the government is not active as a porn webmaster and appearantly the gov also doesnt care about illegal porntube sites :2 cents:

This whole wikileaks shit is getting fucking pathetic.

the first is illegal
wikileaks are not illegal

:2 cents:

fuck them

It is safe to assume that you support torrent sites, file sharing sites, password trading sites, illegal tubes etc. as well then. That is a fine position to take as long as you understand the consequences of you position. It is difficult to protect your property when the anarchist are in charge.

I am not questioning why people in general support these actions. I am questioning why people engaged in lawful and orderly web commerce would support anarchy and the destruction of the system that gets you paid. Seems counterproductive....... at least from a financial perspective.

If this is one of these important issues where adherence to principle (the principle being Black Bloc style chaos I guess) trumps economic interest........ then so be it. Just keep in mind that when the anarchists are burning down your business it wont seem like fun and games anymore.

thats your opinion ... if wikileaks is not illegal then why is the guy that has stolen all the information from government computers been arrested ? and is facing life in jail ?

so let me get this right , person A steals something give it to person B , then person B knowing that the material is stolen passes it on

and that is ok ?

so if I have a paysite, person A rips all my movies, gives it to person B then person B makes a full site with my material

that is ok ? Person B did not steal anything and thus his site is legal ?? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Of course its not ok. Assange will most certainly be facing additional charges in the future once the investigation is concluded.

Why is one illegal and not the other? I don't know all of the legalities behind this whole thing, I think it's very gray, just curious on your opinion.

A paysite password being leaked is obviously something that is not owned by the leaker, making it illegal.

The same holds true for all of these documents. The leaker, nor the man behind wikileaks, own the content being given away for free. Is it because the rightful "owner" is the government, therefore the public? If that's the case, would the banking documents that were to be released be illegal? Those aren't government or public property.

not only my opinion

it is your opinion, one you maybe share with many people, but it still is just that , an opinion

same as piratebay peeps have an opinion, their opinion is that stealing full lenght movies is ok :2 cents:

irrelevant ...

Well, let's start with your opinion. How did you arrive at the conclusion that accepting stolen property was not a crime?

it's about free press

So how about we steal your personal diary that contains your most intimate and personal thoughts and post it online in the interest of "free press". Then we post your personal information, a full biography of everything you thought was personal and private about your life. Then, your families information, your tax records, your medical records, your families medical records and so on????

According to people like you, there are no boundaries and should be no boundaries. Its about "free press" (whatever that means)
:2 cents:

no proberty are stolen..it's information

Many courts have ruled that Free Press doesn't necessarily pertain to information found through illegal means.

The great Sarah Palin just won such a case.

hahaha, that about sums it up ! :2 cents::2 cents:

i guess they'll feel pretty stupid when they realize what wikileaks posts is what the government lets them post. lots of other shit that never made it out...

Just information?

What do you think would happen if somebody stole the source code to any number of popular software packages? It's just information. It's text on a document.

Books are just information. Newspapers are just information. Thousands of pages of research behind patents are just information. Formulas for medicine are just information.

thats not even comparable. tax dollars pays for the people who are saying these things.

i agree with you...however

the information that needs to get out affects everyone...so it isnt just personal info that no one needs to see...its the underhanded back room deals to control the populice through debt that needs to be brought to light

Certainly not because a few governments didn't like to me made to look like the cunts they are so they collaborated and are shutting him down.

Oh no.

That would never happen.

They went after Mastercard.com instead. it's down now.

Possibly so. Why aren't we seeing any of that information yet? So far we hear about Saudi Arabia wanting to bomb Iran (which many people thought anyway), the President of some country in the middle of nowhere is extremely vain, and Angela Markel is a fuddy duddy.

I mean shit... if you want to blow the whistle, blow the damn whistle.

It IS just information.

Sorry but be it can't be compared to proprietary code or pharma patents.

There is no exclusive rights over a conversation :2 cents:

i spotted this treat they make on facebook yesterday, but paid no attention to it.

the whole wikileaks thing is boring to be honest.

have the propaganda makers sunk this low with their creativity for the sheep?

i know..i want to see the dirt :)

its funny though as soon as he was about to unleash the banking info...hes in custody

they killed kennedy...he shouldnt think hes safe cause hes a swed

Yeh, actually there are rights over private conversations. Particularly those that may involve national security, large economics deals, this and that, that and this.

Somebody records a visit between you and your lawyer. You're telling me that's fair game? You and your doctor. Fair game? Sure, once it's out, it's out... doesn't mean it's not illegal.

I am saying your analogy with source code and pharma patents is wrong.

Is it legal either way? I don't know...

There are some things money can't buy. For Everything else there is <ping timeout>

:1orglaugh

sshh you might offend some electro-anarchist that can't function without the US power grid.....

hah, made my day!

It's not just you! http://mastercard.com looks down from here.

i kind of have a personal grudge against paypal, so while i am neutral on the the whole wiki/4chan thing in general, anything that hurts paypal, makes me smile.

You know it is making thing work as simple as possible that is difficult. And wikileaks has nailed it. :1orglaugh

Watching people get so emotional over this has been funny. It is pretty entertaining. Reality entertainment at it's finest.

so much for 'light political action' on the part of anon lol