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Old 01-16-2003, 01:53 PM   #1
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German Satanists 'ate babies'

German Satanists 'ate babies'

London Times 01/16/03: Roger Boyes

Original Link: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...544282,00.html

BABIES have been killed, sliced up and eaten by a German Satanist group, according to media reports yesterday, stirring fears that last month?s arrest of a self-confessed cannibal was not an isolated incident.

The prosecutor?s office in Trier, near the border with Luxembourg, said that it had been investigating alleged cases of cannibalism and rape by Satanists since the middle of last year. That is six months before another case of cannibalism ? the eating of a software designer by a former soldier ? came to light.

Police stumbled on the Satanist group when a 34-year-old woman gave evidence about a network whose members ate babies and raped women as part of an initiation rite.

Some of the alleged cannibal acts are said to go back 15 years.

The trial is expected to begin next month of Armin M., a former sergeant-major. The man advertised on the internet for young men to be slaughtered and eaten. Bernd Jürgen Brandes agreed to have an organ cut off and cooked.

The victim bled to death and was chopped up and deposited in the deep freeze of Armin M., who then ate the body parts.
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German Satanists 'ate babies'

London Times 01/16/03: Roger Boyes

Original Link: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...544282,00.html

BABIES have been killed, sliced up and eaten by a German Satanist group, according to media reports yesterday, stirring fears that last month?s arrest of a self-confessed cannibal was not an isolated incident.

The prosecutor?s office in Trier, near the border with Luxembourg, said that it had been investigating alleged cases of cannibalism and rape by Satanists since the middle of last year. That is six months before another case of cannibalism ? the eating of a software designer by a former soldier ? came to light.

Police stumbled on the Satanist group when a 34-year-old woman gave evidence about a network whose members ate babies and raped women as part of an initiation rite.

Some of the alleged cannibal acts are said to go back 15 years.

The trial is expected to begin next month of Armin M., a former sergeant-major. The man advertised on the internet for young men to be slaughtered and eaten. Bernd Jürgen Brandes agreed to have an organ cut off and cooked.

The victim bled to death and was chopped up and deposited in the deep freeze of Armin M., who then ate the body parts.
LOL. I thought it was Aaron M... Not Armin M.
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The trial is expected to begin next month
Guess they don't have freedom of religion there....
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Police stumbled on the Satanist group ....
Some of the alleged cannibal acts are said to go back 15 years.

Wow !........ And I thought the cops were slow where I live.
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I thought all satanists ate babies....now I find out its just the german ones.

What do they eat in other countries?
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I thought all satanists ate babies....

I dont eat babies.

Thats like saying all christians fuck little boys like priests do.

oh wait, they do.
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just so you clowns know.

satanists do not worshiop 'the devil'

its good to see the scare tactics in place after so mkany years.

satanism is really just Selfism, but its fun to scare people.

http://www.dickey.org/selfism.htm
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just so you clowns know.

satanists do not worshiop 'the devil'

its good to see the scare tactics in place after so mkany years.

satanism is really just Selfism, but its fun to scare people.

http://www.dickey.org/selfism.htm
Actually, that is only one of the many kinds of satanism around. There are many that in fact do include worshipping the devil.
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But we do burn churches.

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read that.
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just so you clowns know.

satanists do not worshiop 'the devil'

its good to see the scare tactics in place after so mkany years.

satanism is really just Selfism, but its fun to scare people.

http://www.dickey.org/selfism.htm
Don't have time to read the article.

Is it anything like Objectivism?
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all i meant was Satanism is only self worshippers.

satanists dont pray to some godlike creature with horns.

satanists worship themselves.

(on my way out the door for a few be back though)

read.

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why does the wierdest sex shit come always come out of germany..shit eating, baby eating..jeez
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all i meant was Satanism is only self worshippers.

satanists dont pray to some godlike creature with horns.

satanists worship themselves.

(on my way out the door for a few be back though)

read.
Actually, no.
There are quite a few satanist movements which are strongly linked to nordic mythology and such and which do in fact worship a devil-like creature.
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what is a Satanist Movement?

Im talking about 'Satanism'

the branches of things are not the root.

im holding the Devils notebook now.

<img src=http://www.ladypagan.com/devilsn.jpg border="1">

show me a line in it that says bow to a horned 'Satan'

the book is all about Self. You. The center of the pentagram, Man.

hahah

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http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/Sins.html

1. Stupidity?The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It?s too bad that stupidity isn?t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

2. Pretentiousness?Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn?t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone?s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

3. Solipsism?Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won?t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of ?Do unto others as they do unto you.? It?s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

4. Self-deceit?It?s in the ?Nine Satanic Statements? but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it?s fun, and with awareness. But then, it?s not self-deceit!

5. Herd Conformity?That?s obvious from a Satanic stance. It?s all right to conform to a person?s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

6. Lack of Perspective?Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints?know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies?Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it?s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

8. Counterproductive Pride?That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you?ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I?m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

9. Lack of Aesthetics?This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It?s not what?s supposed to be pleasing?it?s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one?s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

Satanism is simple.

Be yourself.
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Don't have time to read the article.

Is it anything like Objectivism?
Yeah, satanism, as adopted by Anton LaVey took / stole a lot of its viewpoints from Ayn Rand / Objectivism.
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what is a Satanist Movement?

Im talking about 'Satanism'

the branches of things are not the root.

im holding the Devils notebook now.

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show me a line in it that says bow to a horned 'Satan'

the book is all about Self. You. The center of the pentagram, Man.

hahah
LaVey wasn't the first to come up with the idea of a "church of satan". Really, he wasn't.
He may have claimed the name "satanism", but it is a fact that for thousands of years there have been groups worshipping devil-like creatures. (during the early middle ages satanism took a high rise because pagans were forced to give up their own beliefs in favor of Christianity. they started numerous secretive cults that worshipped all things considered "evil" by their priests and such)

The "satanist movements" I am talking about are *not* based on LaVey, but on way older beliefs and cults.
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So Vikings were satanists? Im only talking about a specific thing. The book im looking at.

We can argue cults all day, that doesnt mean they are Satanists. Was Crowley a satanist? I in no way meant Lavey started anything aside from the commercial side of satanism. Most satanists do not even like LaVey because of this.

I'm talking about modern Satanism as is defined by the books on it. I dont even really like LaVey. Why bring up ancient cults and things? That doesnt apply to modern Satanists, those were evil cults, nothing to do with Satanism. Did they write Satan on the walls or on their shields? No. Lucifer? Did they carve the Baphomet into their arms? No. Very diferent things. Im talking about modern Satanists dude, this isnt a discussion on black cults of the Ancients.

Darkness was before light, so of course the black attitude has been around equally as long.

To compare people who wanted to kill christians becasuse of persecution and modern people who treat Satanism more as a philosophy is truely ignorant.

Philososphy vs Witchcraft and Black Arts.

Nothing more than sexual urges and violence. Crowley tried to bring that back. And failed.

The goat is where its at.

(all this talk of killing christians - i gotta listen to Amon Amarth now!)

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What you are referring to is 'Demonism'

and its quite different.
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So Vikings were satanists? Im only talking about a specific thing. The book im looking at.

We can argue cults all day, that doesnt mean they are Satanists. Was Crowley a satanist? I in no way meant Lavey started anything aside from the commercial side of satanism. Most satanists do not even like LaVey because of this.

I'm talking about modern Satanism as is defined by the books on it. I dont even really like LaVey. Why bring up ancient cults and things? That doesnt apply to modern Satanists, those were evil cults, nothing to do with Satanism. Did they write Satan on the walls or on their shields? No. Lucifer? Did they carve the Baphomet into their arms? No. Very diferent things. Im talking about modern Satanists dude, this isnt a discussion on black cults of the Ancients.

Darkness was before light, so of course the black attitude has been around equally as long.

To compare people who wanted to kill christians becasuse of persecution and modern people who treat Satanism more as a philosophy is truely ignorant.

Philososphy vs Witchcraft and Black Arts.

Nothing more than sexual urges and violence. Crowley tried to bring that back. And failed.

The goat is where its at.
Dude. You really don't seem to get it.

There are still many people today who worship Satan, call themselves Satanists and perform rituals based on those old cults.

You say the "modern" satanism has nothing to do with witchcraft and such. You do realize where the symbols of which the baphomet consists come from right?
The satanism you are talking about has borrowed a lot of symbolism from many different sources.

Sure, it's essentially something completely different, but that doesn't change the fact that those oldschool satanist cults were there long before LaVey's "Church of Satan", and still exist today.
Why exactly would the "official" Church of Satan have any effect on that?

Furthermore, the satanists talked about in the article are most likely part of the satanist groups I talked about. You may be talking about LaVey & co, but they have very little to do with the subject at hand.
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LaVey wasn't the first to come up with the idea of a "church of satan". Really, he wasn't.
He may have claimed the name "satanism", but it is a fact that for thousands of years there have been groups worshipping devil-like creatures. (during the early middle ages satanism took a high rise because pagans were forced to give up their own beliefs in favor of Christianity. they started numerous secretive cults that worshipped all things considered "evil" by their priests and such)

The "satanist movements" I am talking about are *not* based on LaVey, but on way older beliefs and cults.
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What you are referring to is 'Demonism'

and its quite different.
No, what I'm talking about is 'Satanism'. The worship of satan spawned from a very strong dislike of Christianity (but largely based on the same myths).
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again, i dont even like LaVey.

but comparing ancient cults with modern satanists is quite different.

there is a difference, at least i see one.
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No, what I'm talking about is 'Satanism'. The worship of satan spawned from a very strong dislike of Christianity (but largely based on the same myths).
How could ancient cults who worshipped 'Devils' know about Christianity?

Had christianity came about yet?
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The satanists punkworld speaks of dont advertise themselves or have websites to copy and paste from.. .
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The satanists punkworld speaks of dont advertise themselves or have websites to copy and paste from.. .
I have tons of books on everything he speaks on.

There are people who worship evil , and demons. Then there are a different breed of Selfish Philosophers.

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LaVey wasn't the first to come up with the idea of a "church of satan". Really, he wasn't.
He may have claimed the name "satanism", but it is a fact that for thousands of years there have been groups worshipping devil-like creatures. (during the early middle ages satanism took a high rise because pagans were forced to give up their own beliefs in favor of Christianity. they started numerous secretive cults that worshipped all things considered "evil" by their priests and such)
So you are calling Druids and other assorted Euro pagan type groups that continued to follow the old ways post Christianity... satanists?

Thats absurd. Thats like calling Eskimos or any Native American followers of their traditional spirituality... Satanists.
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Fully prepared today.

Even have a nice hardback on the Druids for quick reference.

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So you are calling Druids and other assorted Euro pagan type groups that continued to follow the old ways post Christianity... satanists?

Thats absurd. Thats like calling Eskimos or any Native American followers of their traditional spirituality... Satanists.
No. I am calling the ones who got pissed off at the christians and started worshipping satan (the guy the priests went on and on about) satanists.
Not the ones that stuck with their old beliefs, but the ones that adopted new beliefs, opposite to - but based on - those of the people they hated.
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Old 01-16-2003, 05:54 PM   #39
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No. I am calling the ones who got pissed off at the christians and started worshipping satan (the guy the priests went on and on about) satanists.
Not the ones that stuck with their old beliefs, but the ones that adopted new beliefs, opposite to - but based on - those of the people they hated.

but what is the point of eating babies?
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Old 01-16-2003, 05:57 PM   #42
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but what is the point of eating babies?
The same as that of catholic rituals.
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Old 01-16-2003, 05:58 PM   #43
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"the eating of a software designer by a former soldier "


does software designers taste better?

propaly they are not bony, since they have an office job
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Old 01-16-2003, 06:01 PM   #44
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The Deliberate Supression of allowing another to reach their God Like Unfoldment can be similar to Satanism.

The Five Deadly Passions of the Mind
- Anger
- Lust
- Greed
- Attachment
- Vanity
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All Negative Karma Originates with those five passions.
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Its a battle for the soul to shine through the Artifical Darkness we have created in our minds.
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Once the Spiritual Awareness over comes the illusion... your are on your way home....
Many are Called...
Few are Chosen...
When the student is ready the Master Will arrive.
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The Deliberate Supression of allowing another to reach their God Like Unfoldment can be similar to Satanism.

The Five Deadly Passions of the Mind
- Anger
- Lust
- Greed
- Attachment
- Vanity
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All Negative Karma Originates with those five passions.
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So Lust is a bad thing?

Youre in the wrong field.

This Industry belongs to the Devil.

Its based on Lust.

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So Lust is a bad thing?

Youre in the wrong field.

This Industry belongs to the Devil.

Its based on Lust.
I dont say anything is bad.
I merely say lust is a negative force - opposite of positive.
I dont think negative is bad and I dont think positive is good.
They are matters of preference.
Some people prefer the negative and some people prefer the postive.
This does not make either of them better or worse.
They are merely states of being that are undefinable.

This industry does not belong to the devil exclusively also belongs to the God Forces as well.

Im sure many websites including (My own) has brought couples together even closer in a more intimate way. Just as Im sure It has brewed perversion in others.

Everything is a double edged sword depending on your perspective, view point and experience of the situation.

My Question is.

Why did you ask me a Question, then immediately assume Im in the wrong industry without getting a response from me first?

Were you not patient enough to wait for my response?

I know very well that i am providing materials that others may lust off of.
Fuck I beat off once in a while!
But im working on freeing myself from the Five Passions that dominate most of mankind.
Its Hard! But you gotta start sometime!
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I have to say I respect that post. Best one
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