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minicivan 12-05-2010 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17751185)
I don't think you understand what semantics means.

Really? Semantics.. meaning you were most likely going to go ahead and start splitting hairs with word definitions, uses and meanings to position some of your arguments as libertarian or something not conservative as a weak attempt to save face.

At the end of the day, you are a broken record. Slutboat is a broken record. You are constantly on the right of an issue, criticizing the left, using the same tired arguments and retorts.. just as he is constantly on the left, criticizing the right with the same tired commentary. For both of you, there is no other right answer if it is not in line with your respective liberal or conservative bias. The attraction you have to each other is the fact that you are both polar opposites in your views, yet ironically very similar in your personalities and personal flaws.

I could waste further time on your pointing out the irony of you suggesting someone else think for themselves on an issue - but why keep killing pixels.

Vendzilla 12-05-2010 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17751716)
You see more and more Democrats coming over to the GOP's side. It seems that things are slowly going to get done now that the Republicans control the majority. If things stay the same, they'll experience an even bigger backlash than the Democrats.

there are a lot of senate seats up 2012, so yes, they will vote more conservative in the next year

moeloubani 12-05-2010 02:07 PM

lol what? bush started those wars...not obama

if you guys leave now then you basically went in to the country destroyed it and left it all fucked up - giving millions of people a perfectly legitimate reason to go fuck the United States up

moeloubani 12-05-2010 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17751716)
You see more and more Democrats coming over to the GOP's side. It seems that things are slowly going to get done now that the Republicans control the majority. If things stay the same, they'll experience an even bigger backlash than the Democrats.

Things are starting to get done? I thought they didn't take power until next year.

djroof 12-05-2010 02:13 PM

future is bad I think...

SuckOnThis 12-05-2010 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Minte (Post 17751872)
The fact remains. Whether the Bush tax cuts were good or bad is moot. They are inplace.

The issue is the uncertainty of whether they will continue or not. Business can sit on it's hands and money while the administration makes the decision.

An issue for what? Are you saying companies are holding off hiring people because their tax rate may increase by 4.5%? If they do hire people they dont pay taxes on that money so if anything it would have the opposite effect.

This last quarter US Corporate Profits Were the Highest on Record.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/bu...my/24econ.html

Yet unemployment remains high. This is partly due to outsourcing and partly due to a lower tax rate, and the outcome is money is being transferred from the middle class to the top 2%. If something doesnt change we will end up a 3rd world country.

Agent 488 12-05-2010 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by minicivan (Post 17751896)

At the end of the day, you are a broken record. Slutboat is a broken record. You are constantly on the right of an issue, criticizing the left, using the same tired arguments and retorts.. just as he is constantly on the left, criticizing the right with the same tired commentary. For both of you, there is no other right answer if it is not in line with your respective liberal or conservative bias. The attraction you have to each other is the fact that you are both polar opposites in your views, yet ironically very similar in your personalities and personal flaws.

sums up that clown show perfectly.

webairalex 12-05-2010 02:25 PM

History will repeat itself...what happends when all else fails? They take us to WAR....

djroof 12-05-2010 02:27 PM

maybe...

Minte 12-05-2010 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 17751984)
An issue for what? Are you saying companies are holding off hiring people because their tax rate may increase by 4.5%? If they do hire people they dont pay taxes on that money so if anything it would have the opposite effect.

This last quarter US Corporate Profits Were the Highest on Record.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/bu...my/24econ.html

Yet unemployment remains high. This is partly due to outsourcing and partly due to a lower tax rate, and the outcome is money is being transferred from the middle class to the top 2%. If something doesnt change we will end up a 3rd world country.

What other reason would corporate America have for holding on to their money?

I do know the answer and will give you a hint. It's a part of the Bush tax code that is not well known to the general public, but has significant impact in the corporate world.

mynameisjim 12-05-2010 03:53 PM

In the 80's executives realized that they could swoop in, take over a company and totally gut it leaving behind a worthless shell while they walked away with millions.

During the 90's boom, it was fashionable to build companies again.

In 2000, when the boom was over, executives realized that you could use the methods of the 80's but instead of gutting companies, you could gut an entire country. And that's what happened. The banks basically gutted America and walked away with all the money leaving behind a worthless shell.

Instead of the American people realizing what happened they instead got caught up in partisan politics as if Republicans Vs. Democrats was a high school football homecoming game. So basically, nothing changed. Nobody was held accountable. And the funny thing is the American people have just been raped and while the condom is still hanging out of their assholes, they continue to stand by their respective political party.

Agent 488 12-05-2010 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 17752128)
In the 80's executives realized that they could swoop in, take over a company and totally gut it leaving behind a worthless shell while they walked away with millions.

During the 90's boom, it was fashionable to build companies again.

In 2000, when the boom was over, executives realized that you could use the methods of the 80's but instead of gutting companies, you could gut an entire country. And that's what happened. The banks basically gutted America and walked away with all the money leaving behind a worthless shell.

Instead of the American people realizing what happened they instead got caught up in partisan politics as if Republicans Vs. Democrats was a high school football homecoming game. So basically, nothing changed. Nobody was held accountable. And the funny thing is the American people have just been raped and while the condom is still hanging out of their assholes, they continue to stand by their respective political party.

great summary. and now the parasites have killed their host they are going to the east for fresh blood.

The Demon 12-05-2010 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 17751854)
Maybe someday if you ever graduate from your step dads basement and start making some serious cash you'll know that one reason people invest money is to avoid paying taxes. After Clinton raised taxes we had the best economy ever, but you probably were in diapers at the time so you don't remember.

As someone who pays high taxes already so morons like you can continue living on welfare, I most certainly do not want to reinvest my money into my "business", especially with the increase in capital gains taxes when the tax cuts expire. But I allow you to live with your $300 a month so I'm shocked you spend that money on the internet embarrassing yourself.:winkwink:

Also LOL@best economy ever. His policies inevitably set the course for the current mortgage crisis.

The Demon 12-05-2010 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by minicivan (Post 17751896)
Really? Semantics.. meaning you were most likely going to go ahead and start splitting hairs with word definitions, uses and meanings to position some of your arguments as libertarian or something not conservative as a weak attempt to save face.

Sort of like claiming I have "conservative views", without pointing out what those typical conservative views are or what my views are? Gotcha.:1orglaugh

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At the end of the day, you are a broken record. Slutboat is a broken record. You are constantly on the right of an issue, criticizing the left, using the same tired arguments and retorts.. just as he is constantly on the left, criticizing the right with the same tired commentary. For both of you, there is no other right answer if it is not in line with your respective liberal or conservative bias. The attraction you have to each other is the fact that you are both polar opposites in your views, yet ironically very similar in your personalities and personal flaws.
I bolded specific text to indicate that you either don't read posts or have terrible reading comprehension. Since I criticize the right(maybe not as much), just like I criticize the left, your assertions are meaningless. But please, continue entertaining us with the whole "I'm different because I think both parties are cancerous!!" logic.

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I could waste further time on your pointing out the irony of you suggesting someone else think for themselves on an issue - but why keep killing pixels.
Seeing as how you've been killing pixels for absolutely no reason, as well as lacking any ability to prove anything you've said, I think you can keep amusing us.



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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 17751975)
Things are starting to get done? I thought they didn't take power until next year.

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You see more and more Democrats coming over to the GOP's side. It seems that things are slowly going to get done now that the Republicans control the majority. If things stay the same, they'll experience an even bigger backlash than the Democrats.

Read what you wrote and then back to what I wrote and tell me if those two are the same..

SuckOnThis 12-05-2010 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17752177)
As someone who pays high taxes already so morons like you can continue living on welfare, I most certainly do not want to reinvest my money into my "business", especially with the increase in capital gains taxes when the tax cuts expire. But I allow you to live with your $300 a month so I'm shocked you spend that money on the internet embarrassing yourself.:winkwink:


Uh hate to break it to you, but capital gains is taxed at a lower rate than regular income even before Bushs tax cuts, and this is why you claim you wouldnt invest in 'your business'? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Please give an example how you would pay capital gains tax in the first place by investing in your own business. Admit it, you dont know a fucking thing about business, never had a business other than sucking cock, and most likely never paid a dime in capital gains tax or income tax for that matter. You seriously are one of the dumbest posers on this board.

The Demon 12-05-2010 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 17752246)
Uh hate to break it to you, but capital gains is taxed at a lower rate than regular income even before Bushs tax cuts, and this is why you claim you wouldnt invest in 'your business'? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Please give an example how you would pay capital gains tax in the first place by investing in your own business. Admit it, you doing thing about business, never had a business other than sucking cock, and most likely never paid a dime in capital gains tax or income tax for that matter. You seriously are one of the dumbest posers on this board.

when a bumbling idiot with no understanding of economics calls someone else dumb, it becomes hilarious:)

Vendzilla 12-05-2010 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 17751971)
lol what? bush started those wars...not obama

if you guys leave now then you basically went in to the country destroyed it and left it all fucked up - giving millions of people a perfectly legitimate reason to go fuck the United States up

they became Obamas wars after he sent more troops

minicivan 12-05-2010 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 17752246)
Uh hate to break it to you, but capital gains is taxed at a lower rate than regular income even before Bushs tax cuts, and this is why you claim you wouldnt invest in 'your business'? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Please give an example how you would pay capital gains tax in the first place by investing in your own business.

What does "income" and "capital gains" have to do with each other? Income tax does not penalize great investment decisions which is what capital gains taxes do specifically.

When rewards are bigger, people take bigger risks. When rewards are smaller, people take smaller risks. I don't know how it could be simplified any further. Capital gains plays a major role in depressing real estate investment. But hey, why does the US need the housing market to recover and grow? That can't possibly benefit anyone or increase tax revenues to the government.

The Demon 12-05-2010 06:46 PM

Probably the first insightful post you've made thus far, except asking why we need real estate to pick up.

minicivan 12-05-2010 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17752390)
Probably the first insightful post you've made thus far, except asking why we need real estate to pick up.

Its called "sarcasm" through the use of a "rhetorical question" to which I expected no real reply. Of course, you singled it out and replied to it.

minicivan 12-05-2010 07:08 PM

100 new taxes

The Demon 12-05-2010 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by minicivan (Post 17752429)
Its called "sarcasm" through the use of a "rhetorical question" to which I expected no real reply. Of course, you singled it out and replied to it.

hmmm I actually said the whole post was good and didn't agree on one thing, to which you claim I singled something out. You should try reading again. Or perhaps you need a better grasp of the English language.

czarina 12-05-2010 07:16 PM

as long as the employed 90% remaining keep on buying porn, all is good

GAMEFINEST 12-05-2010 07:23 PM

My sig is for sale,

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SuckOnThis 12-05-2010 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17752269)
when a bumbling idiot with no understanding of economics calls someone else dumb, it becomes hilarious:)


Says the guy that won't invest in his 'business' because of capital gain taxes. :1orglaugh

The Demon 12-05-2010 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 17752711)
Says the guy that won't invest in his 'business' because of capital gain taxes. :1orglaugh

Says the Guy who thinks the way to get around high taxes is investing in your business :1orglaugh

minicivan 12-06-2010 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 17752711)
Says the guy that won't invest in his 'business' because of capital gain taxes. :1orglaugh

Why do you think that investing or ones willingness to risk capital has no correlation to capital gains taxes?

Fletch XXX 12-06-2010 09:01 AM

unemployment is bad around nola right now,... know quite a few ppl looking for wrk

wig 12-06-2010 11:21 AM

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Or do you want economists? Peter Schiff and Ron Paul, two economists that make Keynesians look stupid on a daily basis.
Peter Schiff, while an economist (degree from UC Berkley), does not have a flawless record. I think some of the things he says make sense and have been shown to be correct, but some of his forecasts have been either wrong or poorly timed. See his Bio here.

Ron Paul is not an economist.

The Demon is a troll who literally believes in Noah and the Flood. He'll be here shortly to explain what the words I'm using actually mean and then call me stupid, etc.

It's his main specialty outside of mythological credulity.

Ignore this guy.

SuckOnThis 12-06-2010 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by minicivan (Post 17753479)
Why do you think that investing or ones willingness to risk capital has no correlation to capital gains taxes?

Where did I say that? The Poser is claiming he doesnt want to put money into his own company because of capital gains. Capital gains tax would only come into play if he were to sell the company but he somehow thinks companies have to pay capital gains on profit. He's just repeating some right wing talking point he knows nothing about.

minicivan 12-06-2010 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 17754146)
Where did I say that? The Poser is claiming he doesnt want to put money into his own company because of capital gains. Capital gains tax would only come into play if he were to sell the company but he somehow thinks companies have to pay capital gains on profit. He's just repeating some right wing talking point he knows nothing about.

Ah.. thats what i get for skimming i guess. Carry on.. :)

The Demon 12-06-2010 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wig (Post 17754067)
Peter Schiff, while an economist (degree from UC Berkley), does not have a flawless record. I think some of the things he says make sense and have been shown to be correct, but some of his forecasts have been either wrong or poorly timed. See his Bio here.

Ron Paul is not an economist.

The Demon is a troll who literally believes in Noah and the Flood. He'll be here shortly to explain what the words I'm using actually mean and then call me stupid, etc.

It's his main specialty outside of mythological credulity.

Ignore this guy.

Anybody want to respond to this simpleton? Or is it way too easy?

The Demon 12-06-2010 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 17754146)
Where did I say that? The Poser is claiming he doesnt want to put money into his own company because of capital gains. Capital gains tax would only come into play if he were to sell the company but he somehow thinks companies have to pay capital gains on profit. He's just repeating some right wing talking point he knows nothing about.

Ah yes, when you're getting your ass handed to you, please refer to the desperation of "you're just repeating fox news rawrrrr!!":1orglaugh

wig 12-06-2010 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17754192)
Anybody want to respond to this simpleton? Or is it way too easy?

See if you can do it without proving me correct (again). :1orglaugh

pornguy 12-06-2010 12:34 PM

Plenty of jobs out there. People just don't want them.

The Demon 12-06-2010 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wig (Post 17754239)
See if you can do it without proving me correct (again). :1orglaugh

There's no need, I already made you my bitch once and watched you squirm out of the thread. It's refreshing to know that you worship me now so much that you have to follow me around.:1orglaugh

Minte 12-06-2010 12:57 PM

The tax initiative that has made a big difference to small business is the rapid depreciation of capital assets. Over the last 8 years we have spent many millions of dollars on new machine tools(and jobs). Rather than having to write those investments off over 10 years we have been allowed to do that in 3-4 years.

Taking that depreciation faster allows profits to be used for investments rather than paying a big tax at the end of the year. It's been a fantastic money management tool and if it disappears I predict things will get a lot worse in the economy.

Without more tools and equipment there can't be more jobs created.

GregE 12-06-2010 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 17754281)
Plenty of jobs out there. People just don't want them.

There's plenty of calories to be found in dumpsters and spilled on sidewalks out there too. Lots of hungry people don't want them either.

When economists speak of new "jobs" in a positive sense, they're usually referring to gainful employment.

You know, where like someone gets a paycheck that he can actually use to pay his bills with :2 cents:

wig 12-06-2010 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17754302)
There's no need,

That's what I thought.

So, Ron Paul is an economist? Noah and the Flood was a literal event?

Capital Gains tax increases stopped you from investing in 'your business'?

You're not a college kid who only has paltry sums to invest in metals?

You're not a right wing nut who runs around sucking Schiff's dick at every turn?

:321GFY

The Demon 12-06-2010 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wig (Post 17754486)
That's what I thought.

So, Ron Paul is an economist?

Sure. He's on the Joint Economics committee.
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Noah and the Flood was a literal event?
Yup

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Capital Gains tax increases stopped you from investing in 'your business'?
Never said that.

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You're not a college kid who only has paltry sums to invest in metals?
Nope, but I pay my taxes so you can live:)

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You're not a right wing nut who runs around sucking Schiff's dick at every turn?

:321GFY
And the moron gets owned again.:1orglaugh


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