GIANT Opportunity for Experienced CAMS Veteran & High Traffic Site Owner - New company forming!

And what are you gonna offer?

if you need a cams guru and high traffic website guru, are you just bringing the money? Not sure whats left...

Sounds like a good opportunity for someone.

I have a new custom cam site (like mfc) which took a year to build. It's absolutely badass.

Investment opps available for a partner with upper mgmt level cam experience
and someone with high traffic. There is no white label or aff prog, at least not yet, if ever.

These are partnership roles for people looking to own and profit, not just promote something new.
The software is valuable as it is unique, of course I'd sell shares in partnership, not just give it away.
Demo available for those who qualify.

Salaries for all owners/employees as we open the site of course. Details discussed in private.

Hope your plans go as you like.Good luck

So sounds like you had the software built, now you looking for a person with the: experience, time, money, and traffic to be a partner. umm good luck.


I take it you work at JuicyAds, why wouldn't they want to be a partner with you and provide the traffic ?

good luck

You asked for qualified and serious inquiries only, but your offer is anything but. I'm going to assume that you're a good guy, but just naive about doing business on a much higher level than what you're used to. Don't take that personally, its not a bad thing to not know, just next time, educate yourself or ask someone for help before you go and make an offer as insulting as this.

Its insulting because you've forgotten to add the "this deal comes with a giant bottle of lube, because you're about to get fucked in the ass for investing and partnering on this with me!" -- Anyone who can't see that, is a fool. See, potential is everywhere. POTENTIALLY I can make a search engine, calling it Moogle, and make billions of dollars every quarter via ppc ads on the site, just like the big G does, but we should all know by now that its very unlikely. Why? Because it requires a shitload of money, time, effort, management, traffic, branding, relationships, etc to pull off a feat like that.

So let's go back to your post... You are asking for SOMEONE that can give you everything required to go from startup mode to successful, and all you're coming to the table with is perhaps some initial investment and the software... How is that a good deal for anyone but yourself? I mean, if that's your intention from the start then just change the title of the thread to say "GIANT OPPORTUNITY FOR ME AND POTENTIALLY FOR YOU TO MAKE BANK OFF OF EXPERIENCED CAMS VETERAN & HIGH TRAFFIC SITE OWNER".

See, the part that you're missing is that you haven't done your research correctly. At all. And its insulting because you're asking for the keys to the castle because you have a paddle for a potential inflatable raft to help ferry across the moat. That's it. Wtf does that do on its own? Yes, the answer is dick.

Anyone can make a replica software platform of MFC. I know you didn't even make the software yourself. So really, what the fuck do you bring to the table? You're admitting that you don't have the cash, the experience, the traffic, the content, the management skills, or anything else, but hey, you want to make monies just like the next guy.

Offers like this should always carry a disclaimer, not that I give a shit if this fails or someone gets ripped off, but really, this is kinda weak.

Sharing is caring.

Jon, are you turning to a gfy resident now? lol

Haha that was a ridiculously fast response from you, are you stalking me again?? Its my tall and wiry frame eh? Yeah, the chicks dig it. <3

owned, thread closed?

I like you, please post more often

bingo. /thread

I thought your spiel sounded familiar.

Adam.. ICQ.. A-dog... Guy who talked big but failed to deliver, took my money, kept leading me on to believe profits were around the corner.

Warning: You'll probably lose your "investment" here, stay away.

Bump this in a year and prove me wrong.

this thread keeps getting better

What most webcam startups fail to understand is the importance of the performers.

I think that could be the one thing he actually has covered....

I am sure I have seen threads where he was trying to "sell" performers to sites?

EDIT:

Like here for example...

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=988262&highlight=adam+x

an um, the millions of dollars required for traffic, staff, bandwidth, etc.

Whats on the table?

It's badass LOL

Most webcam startups fail to understand is the complexity of webcam start ups period.

They don't understand that EVERY piece is VITALLY important and has to come together at the exact same moment. Some may have great software but no traffic or chathosts. Others may have a bunch of chathosts ready to work and good software but no traffic.

What makes webcam sites so much harder to start is that you need to have everything in balance. No chathosts and a lot of traffic, you just pissing money away. A lot of chathosts and small amount of traffic, the chathost will quit because there isn't enough money on the site and they are wasting their time. A lot of chathost and a lot of traffic and then you have shitty software that keeps breaking, everyone leaves the site.

When you make a picture and video membership site you simply build it then focus on traffic, and if you get a little or a lot of traffic it doesn't matter you still make sales. When you do a dating site, you make thousands of fake profiles and then you just focus on traffic. Almost all Cam startups, especially those where the person has no money or invests less than 100K and needs other people for help will fail 99% of the time because they fail to understand the complexities of cam sites and thinking it wont be that much harder than launching a pic and video or dating membership site.

If you want to do a successful cam startup and you don't have software or traffic then you shouldn't try it unless you have a million dollars to invest. Most of your money will go into traffic to feed the site once the software / site is built. If you want to increase your odds of success you really should find a cam guru from DAY 1 to help you. Funny how many people want to hire a cam guru right before the launch the site, little late there. If you don't know what you doing, and in most cases you don't, then hire someone that does or you will end up pissing away a lot of money.


To your point, I think a lot of small to med size existing cam sites fail to understand the importance of performers. I've seen more than a few cam sites that actually made it and was doing ok with traffic / chat hosts / software but their chat hosts were total SHIT. They employed 3rd world country studios where the girls were happy making .50 an hour. These girls barely knew english much less were they the top performers that could build regulars and create whales.

While a cam site might need to use the cheap studios/girls to help get lunched they should move off of them as fast as possible and recruit pros. Every cam site is going to have some good and some bad girls but you need to have more of the good then bad. If you want to grow beyond a small cam site making a couple bucks you need to get the girls who can retain your members and make them regulars, that is where the money is at and what will bump you up to being a big, successful cam site.

I read the whole post and then saw the "meh" sig and recognized the poster, thought the same thing Theo.

Well thanks New York for that special something. Yep potential is everywhere. I don't even claim the idea is completely unique, hell its a site similar to another. I've spent years creating and running unique sites but this time I decided to emulate a proven biz model. This time. So fuckin what. I'm in this business to provide a quality service, make money obviously from consumers, not a few haters at gfy. I've got a good piece of software here and for anyone that sees the site and executive summary will understand the mission. Its not rocket science. Its a new adventure. Its legal. Its not another tube site. And I need not explain "WHY" anymore. Other than to say, for those interested who want to work as hard as I will to see a new business' success, then get in touch.

Thanks east coast.. you guys sound as bitter as Harold Camping should be today.

Hello from Porn Valley, California.

No idea who this is, but please post your real name or what business we did. Profits are
around the corner given the right product (timing helps), investment and manpower.

But sometimes things can turn on a dime. Its tough in this biz more than ever. I'm simply working to be successful AGAIN with what I call the "new age" cam site design. Sure the experienced help is necessary. I may hire some folks with less experience when necessary, but obviously experienced help will be key in the beginning. There are people looking to take jobs and not start a new company ya know. There are also plenty of sites out there looking to promote an exclusive new cam site instead of white labeling everyone else's shyte. And there are plenty of cam girls/studios to work with as well as investment funds to build and grow a profitable company. My team and I will work hard to pay everyone accordingly. I'd rather have a small piece of a big pie than a large piece of nothing. Raising funds is commonplace and it a necessary part of any new business. I'll be an active partner, not just sitting back commanding people.

The rapture was a fraud. The multi-millionaire Mr Camping of Family Radio screwed people out of their life savings, go bark up his tree next time you get bored.

Will76, I appreciate your input and I do understand the "trifecta" as I call it, hosts/traffic/capital..
Actually its a bit more complex than just that but thats a tutorial and you did well explaining. I understand, which is why I'm working hard to piece this together appropriately. It must be done right from the beginning.
Take care, and have a beautiful Sunday.

I run cam sites (who do not fail) since 2004, just had a couple of issues with share holders and partners, these can let fail the company even if you have sales, don't forget to look with who you partner with, as if they disagree with you, it can end up in big fight to even decide if login button is color red or blue, then you close the company as you had a disagreement what color make the site layout.

Said so, Myfreecams it is there from 2004 and I remember logging there in 2006-2007 and at the time I labeled the site as "small and failed" or so, but then from 2008 to 2010 it simply boomed. So don't forget another thing, even if you work well and put money there, you need to be in loss and small for months as minimum, or years - even if all is cool.

Finally, for those who call the guy naive and do not give a good luck - yes it is required the million dollar and all the pieces together and not to fight with partners and funds and patience for many months after lanch even if all done well - but well I would still give a good luck to anyone trying. Come on, every cam site around is made by people who run cam sites from many years really, no one new guy (and 3 or 4 sites are made by brothers or ex-partners of livejasmin owners lol), that's a little sad. Good luck to the new cam guys.

My 2 euro cents

Sorry to tell you, but you never going to "piece it together". It's a fact. If you coming to GFY to try to find *partners* then you in trouble. It's hard enough to start a cam site and it's even harder to partner with multiple people that you do not know. It's never going to happen.

You either already know and work with the people you need or the chances that you find them is very very very slim.

Additionally, all you are bringing to the table is the software. People who want to invest into their own cam site (and do it right) aren't going to take on a partner just because he has the software, they are going to buy it or build it themselves.

I don't know how much you spent on this software and my guess would be not a lot, but what ever amount of money you did spend it was a waste. You should have looked for these partners before you built the software not after. Then you would have found out that they are not out there and it would have saved you what ever amount of money you spent on the software because as it is now, its worthless to you since you can't do anything with it.

People who built their own software and then failed just off the top of my head:

clubxxxxcams guy, Joel. Claims he spent 100K on software, had no money left over for traffic, hooked up a couple crappy studious and pulled the plug in less than 3 months. He didn't appreciate the traffic needed.

Cyberage Dave and his cam site, which if I remember right he tried to start his own, built his own software then couldn't get the traffic/girls to get the site going so he started using cams.com girls, but he still doesn't have the traffic anyway and he would have saved a lot of money if he would have went with cams.com from the start used their shit.

I am sure there is countless people out there who tried to build their own shit and never even got it launched.

I don't understand why people jump into stuff that they know nothing about and start spending money hoping the pieces will come together. If you don't have everything you need in place or in your own control why spend time and money on a hope and a pray.

gotta love a good doubter.. or not.

let me get this straight.. man takes idea, opens company, acquires funding, finds some qualified talent, partners, employees and launches a program making sure to time things right.. and its a fact it won't work? Riiiight. None of the companies I worked close to in Silicon Valley and/or Porn Valley who made it big ever did that. lol

I don't NEED partners from GFY or any of the other web locations I'm offering this opp but it never hurts to see who's out there looking for work or to contribute their skills to a new business.. for salary and/or equity of all things as well. In this case, there's already a sizable investment offer here but unless truly necessary I'd like to bring in an investing partner.

Thx for the emails, you know who you are... this opp is still open.

Wow one of the best gfy responses ever! Kudos!

Your response is normal, and to be expected. I don't blame you or hold it against you. You are under the delusion right now that you can pull this off. You can't. How long do you want, 6 months, a year? we can bump this thread and you if you learned anything you can look back and say, wow it was harder than I thought and was impossible and I wont make that mistake again. Or you could learn nothing and just make excuses and keep making the same mistakes over and over. Bottom line, you idea is never going to take off. You missing too many pieces.

So you don't need anyone from GFY. So you don't need a high traffic site and cam veteran with the experience and knowledge to launch this site? You have all of the money, traffic and experience needed to launch this and make it work??? You had more credibility when you at least knew you needed these pieces and had the delusion that you could find them and they would partner up with you. For you to really think you can do this all on your own is just flat our comical and proves you have no clue what goes into launching a cam site.

I'm not saying people haven't found funding for projects before. But there is a big difference between you finding an investor who is going to give you a million dollars to launch this site vs trying to find a *partner* for traffic and a *partner* with experience and knowledge to run the site and have both partners put cash into, and then try to launch your program with 3-4 different partners who don't even know each other. That will never happen. Now if you can go land yourself a VC guy and have him drop 1 million in your lap, that possible and depends more on who know than anything else. Do you know the right people? You either already know these people or don't. I doubt many are going to fund your project with that kind of money if they have no clue who you are, much less would you even be able to find them. You certainly not going go find them on GFY, if anywhere the way the industry and economy has been the last couple years. People are a lot tighter investing their money in porn than they were 10 years ago when everyone wanted in and it was hard to miss at making a site that made money. Now you actually have to know what you doing.

Most of the people are not trying to knock you just give you some good advice to save you a lot of time and possibly more money. It's human nature for you to get defense I can understand that.

EDIT: Adam, you think you would have learned from the last time you partnered with someone you didn't know. Now you looking to find more partners you don't know? The people who would even think about taking you up on these offers are the ones that are either scammers or can't bring to the table what you need.

How did this partnership work out ?

Cam companies... excellent source to get best quality new cam girls
http://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=17521234

Before your last response I was about to reply and say that I actually was getting a bit defensive and agree with you on several points. It IS harder nowadays and either takes deep pockets or serious connections already in place. GFY, other webmaster forums, longtime biz associate referral, cold call, or any another source, sure, finding some help will be good. I won't claim to have every duck in a row atm, so I'm on a mission. Risky biz? Of course. A lot of folks here have tried and failed. All the more reason there's so many bitter responses to someone trying to enter a saturated marketspace, but there's always room for another given the right circumstances. Even having been in this biz for 14 years I don't think it's going to be easy.

Thanks for your input.

So again, with a team ready to operate and manage, locking in a traffic partner (who need not supply funding with an adequate traffic contribution), we'll be that much closer to locking in the investor. Not as much of a longshot as the overall success of the site, but its a start... and that's business.

I bet this thread didn't turn out the way the OP was planning.

Good luck anyway.

Good to see you are receptive to the advice and don't take it personal or get defensive. Even the people who are taking shots are you, there is something to be taken from what they are saying.

If your plan is to get 3-4 people (partners) to all provide one piece of the puzzle you need to launch a successful cam site and then you going to try to find an investor to bankroll it... 99.9% chance its not going to happen, but if nothing else use our skepticism and experience (or what you call bitterness) as your motivation to prove us wrong and be that 0.01% that pulls it off. As you go through enough of these deals you will find out that you will want to spend your time and money on things that have a much better success rate.

The other problem with getting 3-4 partners that each provide a critical part is that it's guaranteed that at least one of them will either be: 1. Lieing and not be able to bring to the table what you need, 2. Give up because they are not seeing results quick enough, 3. have a disagreement of opinions on how something is run and quit, 4. Get mad and quit because they feel like they are doing more than everyone else, etc... Either way you going to lose some of them and once one piece is gone it all spirals to shit. That is assuming you were able to put it all together and even find these people + investor in first place. Not to mention all investors will see the make up of the partnership (like i pointed out) and run. They hate to depend on 1 person to do what they claim they going to do, they not going to want to depend on several people to perform so they don't lose their money.

You would have a better chance selling an investor on yourself, telling him you have the software, chathost, and traffic all lined up, all you need is the money to launch it. For him to give you a million dollars and then you just hire and buy what you need. *partners* that you don't know and are going to count on 100% is going to be your biggest hurdle to over come and you have a lot of hurdles that's just the biggest one.

I see some good advice and tough criticism in this thread. Adam is smart and will take it as needed.

Adam - good luck with your new project and if you would like to hit me up to discuss Cams processing and inquire about what we can offer, please do. We handle processing for many of the largest (and smallest) cams sites in the industry.

Mitch

True on most points here, and contrary to this threads initial post, your last paragraph above is what I've been leaning towards. In the works, there is a potential investor, as it were..hence my seeking a traffic partner to fortify my position.

I've learned a few things from past mistakes, especially calling new biz acquaintances "partners" until they've proven themselves.

And thank you Mitch, talk soon, always fun at the PPT nights...

If by some long shot you happen to find an investor who is going to drop serious money (1 million or more) you should do the following: (my free advice to you)

1. Make NO partners. Hire everyone. Partners are not needed and are head aches, you can't count on them and they can single handily fuck your project.

2. Hire a cams consultant / Guru to help you set up the site, marketing, coordinate every aspect of a cams site. If they are not experts with chathosts, traffic, making the site convert better, getting customers to stick to the site, how to get the most money out of the customers pockets while giving them a good experience, who can work with programmers, designers, chathost, affiliates, etc... if they can't do all of that and are not well versed in all areas they are not a "cam guru" and hire someone else. But hire someone from day one, not when you going to launch. What you will pay this person and gain their knowledge that they have likely obtained over 10-15 years will be worth every penny you pay them and will play a huge part if the site will make it or not. Before you even start doing anything you should have this person hired and a plan / foundation laid out and then work from that point forward putting it all together right.

3. Buy all of your traffic. If you received that kind of money then you will have no problem buying the traffic you need to launch the site.

4. Hire a small staff to help you, most importantly will be a programmer (or two or three) at least one that is very good in server admin as you need to have someone who will know how to set up all of the servers and can manage them. You will need a fraud / cc processing guy who early on can also do customer service related issues. A guy who manages all of the traffic buys and works on generating traffic, tracking everything to se what is working etc... You should find an older pro chathost and pay her extra to take care of the chathost side of things. Do not hire a full time designer, that is a waste from my experience. You can get what you need done cheap piece meal. I am sure there are a few others I am missing. Basically do it right and hire the staff you need. (no partners) You run the show.

If you find someone to drop around 250K or less then basically you going to be ripping him off. You will burn through that money paying yourself and staff and keep delaying the launch date (by the time you get around to launch you going to have inadequate amount of money for traffic and I promise you it will flop). You and some other workers would be paid well for 6 months or so and the investor will get screwed. It's not enough money to start a site but too many people think it is.

I just think unless you know the RIGHT person its going to be damn near impossible to get someone today to drop that kind the kind of money needed to do a cam site start up.

And people always say "why haven't you done your own cam site yet" lol... because I know enough to know I don't have everything it takes to pull it off and am smart enough to not waste my time and money trying. Now if someone wants to put 1M in my lap... I'd give it a shot. I just don't know the right people (investors). And that is not bitterness, it's just reality. The best I can hope for is to offer my knowledge to someone who is looking to start their own site and help them via consulting. I just hate to see all of this good knowledge go to waste, but it is what it is...

The best advice usually is the "tough criticism", the blowing smoke up people's ass and telling them what they want to hear is usually not helpful. It makes for good friends, but not good business.

I agree if the intention is to give good advice and not just put someone down. You seem to often give good advice from what I see.

Will makes some very good points about the obstacles facing a new site, but the reality is that the single biggest problem a new or growing website will encounter will be the working capital requirement.

On average, I have physically received into my accounts the revenue from only 2 or 3 of the 15 or 16 days in the period before I have to pay them out which means that the better we do, the more I have to fund from my reserves.

Now I know somebody (probably Mitch) will reply that the answer to that is simple. Get a merchant account with daily payouts, but that is not always as easy to do as it is to say when you are neither a US National or based in US.

The working capital requirement especially when you are dealing with payouts is certainly an obstacle.If you can generate your own traffic, this will certainly help and so will a merchant account with daily payouts if you can get one. An offshore account typically will have weekly payouts but you have to keep in mind the reserve as well.

Avoid this deal like the plague. Check Adam's history here to get a taste of why.

Yeap, that's once you actually launched the site and are seeing success... I guess I left that part out because most people don't make it that far and have so many hurdles before that they need to get past. It would be a "good" bad problem. If that happens then at least you know you have made it and are making money, at worst someone would just have to go back to their investor, show them sales and success and ask for more money to cover the short fall to carry them to the next processor payment. But i agree it is something you need to include in the budget from day one.

The working capital problem gets compounded 1000x more if someone wants to offer an affiliate program that pays PPS for a cam site. They would need a huge amount of money to float that plus working capital.

You're thinking of that Joe guy who ripped me off.. hence my reason not to call someone a partner so fast anymore. He scammed a lot of people on here apparently... Don't confuse me with the guy who had a thread all to himself called gfy scammer. There are honest, hardworking people on this board but I'll not trust so easily due to that episode.

At any rate, my history is fine, been in biz for 14 years and that little glitch won't darken my day any longer than it did, what a year ago?

If a cam site takes off it will run cash flow negative over an extended period with processor lag. I am not sure that even daily payouts will help and I would avoid PPS until you are 2000% sure you have a good fraud team in place. You either need to be hands on or have a team to be hands on 24/7..... and it costs.

There is no such thing as cam software that does not need development. It may not be what the member or model sees but software to screen various parts of what is going on from account photos to galleries to member buys and member spends. If someone wants to see Lassie in a room you better have a keyword logger that finds it and you stop it before it happens....underage and unregistered models same.

2257 from non western countries are not easy and need people to screen and verify them as well as being structured in a manner that meets the law. If you use first world models then you may need to underwrite a minimum earn on a growing site and it cost.

So far this month I have more than 1200 active studios earning money. I dont have any studios myself so all models work for those studios. The accounts department is another expense and with changes to payment instructions and paying studios and affiliates its a large cost.

To sum it up....you need cash, you need to be able to multitask and you need to be able to juggle the pieces and keep them all in the air. Anyone that can do this and has experience doesnt need the money and can do it themselves. If your software is so hot find someone who can do it...take some upfront and some backend and let them do it.

1200 studios or 1200 chat host??? 1200 studios is a lot of studios.

This thread should be essential reading for anybody thinking of starting a cam site from scratch.

I have also looked at a lot of camsite softwares and I too have yet to see one that was capable of efficiently managing a site without a lot of back end modification.

If you don't know what you are doing you will be an easy target and as cams2chat indicates, with cam sites you will live or die not on how many whistles and bells your front end has, but how many backend and operational holes you failed to plug, and how many frauds you failed to detect.

And if you nail that down, there is still that ongoing working capital requirement so make sure you don't blow all your money on set up and traffic.

He means 1200 studios. They have between 500 and 600 performers online 24/7.

cams2chat (and associated sites) is a very big and very well run business.

A lot of excellent advice and experience in here. Good to see some of you doing well.

Yep

People hit me up all the time.

"I got this cam idea and its fucking huge" After a few months I never hear from them again.

The cam biz aint for little boys. Go big or go home!