Male Talent wants 1 year old video taken down because "he looks better now". What should we do?

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  • wildphoenix
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2012
    • 293

    #1

    Male Talent wants 1 year old video taken down because "he looks better now". What should we do?

    We received a text yesterday from a former male talent from last year. In his text, he demands that we remove a HJ scene we published with him in it, because he was under the impression that we would.. not publish it...?
    The video is a casting couch themed HJ that was his first ever shoot and is over a year old now, and he is just now bringing this up? I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that we stopped booking him for scenes late last year because of his performance issues.
    While he says he wants it taken down because "he doesn't like the way he looks in it and he looks better now", he also accused us of telling him the scene was just for evaluation purposes and that we wouldn't publish or monetize it.

    While we knew that was not true, we are huge on consent, so we went back and spoke with all of our other male talent in the last year that did the same shoot. Not only did they say that we absolutely told them it would be published, but they also pointed out that the paperwork they all signed (including the complaining male talent) states clearly that it is for publication/distribution and grants all the rights.


    When we replied back that between our due diligence, the paperwork and talking to other talent, that it was not fair to us to have wasted money and time producing the video only for him to want it taken down, and that respectfully our answer is no.

    Since then, he has continued messaging and now is threatening us with a lawsuit lol. On the one hand this whole thing is BS and has made us so upset. The fact that someone who we actually tried really hard to work with and was super patient with, can act like this.. is just crazy. I guess the easiest thing is to cut the losses and just take down the video, but to be honest Im really feeling like I would love for him to try.

    What should we do?
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  • RBM_Paul
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2018
    • 93

    #2
    I know how stressful this can be.

    I often get message like this from female models that have retired and want their content removed.

    1) They always start by telling you how their life has moved on and how either family or work means why they would like their content taken down.

    2) They never offer any money, somehow you are expected to brunt the cost of everything.

    If you have all your documentation in order, you are OK in my point of view, after all if you where filming just a hand job for non-establishment, you could have used anyone of even stand in for yourself, without having the stress of finding someone and the paperwork. He signed his release, he got paid.

    I look better now followed by I didn't know it would be publish 12 months after you shot and published is a dumb argument. I he had not know it would have been published, he would have been on you from day 1.

    So here is the thing, you have their fees you paid them for the job, the feed of the other actors, crew fees, location fee. Agent and maybe an MUA, and then you have your time and fee as the producer, none of that is ever taken into consideration by these people.

    Time editing, and processing content (and fees)

    Posting and host, with promotional videos and content.

    now add in the time for it removal.

    So for these people who come up asking for content to be remove without even offering a cent in return, I will tell you to ignore. If you have contact him and told him that you wear not going to use the content and could he return his fees... then that word "unprofessional" is taken out the box. It crazy when people do it to you, you doing them a favor, but when the boot is on the other foot it is professional and you will have to pay.

    Also people that threat with a lawsuit, often can't afford it. otherwise you would get a letter from their lawyer first requesting it removal and then hit with the lawsuit.

    Talk it over with the guy, rationalize and make the points I just made that comply with you situation and make it clear to him, he has signed and wavier his right, known or unknown it was their in black and white and he should have read it before signing, or had someone read it to him if he was unable.
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    • cerulean
      Web & App Development
      • Oct 2023
      • 229

      #3
      Speak to your lawyer. That is the only real advice anyone can give you. As soon as someone threatens legal action, you should take their word for it, and treat it as such.

      If you have model releases, consent videos, 2257, and everything else, your lawyer will tell you what your risk is. If everything is ironclad, the risk is probably minimal, but there is always the opportunity cost of a frivolous lawsuit. He's saying some pretty serious things as you describe it.

      This has happened to clients of mine before, and I believe they offered a buyout option, but it has to factor in the cost of the content's monetary generation over time.
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      • wildphoenix
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        • Nov 2012
        • 293

        #4
        Originally posted by cerulean
        Speak to your lawyer. That is the only real advice anyone can give you. As soon as someone threatens legal action, you should take their word for it, and treat it as such.

        If you have model releases, consent videos, 2257, and everything else, your lawyer will tell you what your risk is. If everything is ironclad, the risk is probably minimal, but there is always the opportunity cost of a frivolous lawsuit. He's saying some pretty serious things as you describe it.

        This has happened to clients of mine before, and I believe they offered a buyout option, but it has to factor in the cost of the content's monetary generation over time.
        Thanks for the responses everyone.
        We did offer him a couple of solutions, as we have with models in the past. He could buy the exclusive rights to have it removed, or we also offered to keep the video behind the paywall with no adverts since he was so concerned about his "look". Neither of those interested him lol.
        I should also add that one of his issues we had with him was cancellations because he couldnt afford an Uber, not sure how he can afford a lawyer
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        • celandina
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Jun 2006
          • 11725

          #5
          You should NOT shoot ( never mind release) anything you do NOT have properly papered.... where a proper release form is the minimum...Period full stop!

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          • NatalieK
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            • Apr 2010
            • 20121

            #6
            I you have written agreements & documents signed, there is no issue
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            • wildphoenix
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              • Nov 2012
              • 293

              #7
              Originally posted by celandina
              You should NOT shoot ( never mind release) anything you do NOT have properly papered.... where a proper release form is the minimum...Period full stop!
              Do you ever read anything before commenting?
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              • celandina
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Jun 2006
                • 11725

                #8
                Originally posted by wildphoenix
                Do you ever read anything before commenting?
                Your very long post contains a lot of... We said, we knew, we believe , we suspect, we are huge on consent, we told them.....

                only one reference to paperwork, and yes, I have missed it. I am sorry. Be that as it may...

                If you have a bullet-proof paperwork why are you asking what to do ?

                OOOPS I just noted you are located in Florida... now I know why are you asking. As to the adult stuff in Florida? Florida is just another Afghanistan. Fucked up. If I were you, I would pack up the shop and moved to a blue state.

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                • helvetian
                  Registered User
                  • Apr 2025
                  • 6

                  #9
                  Originally posted by RBM_Paul
                  If you have all your documentation in order, you are OK in my point of view, after all if you where filming just a hand job for non-establishment, you could have used anyone of even stand in for yourself, without having the stress of finding someone and the paperwork. He signed his release, he got paid.
                  Just wanted to second this...

                  You could counter offer a $-amount that would make it worth for you to take down, if you want to go that way.

                  If he signed a document knowing what it'd be used for, and he got paid, then he knows what he put himself into.

                  You can't just reverse like that. The disrespect is unbelievable.

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                  • INever
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                    • Jan 2005
                    • 4031

                    #10
                    This:

                    They never offer any money
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                    • Mr Pheer
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 22083

                      #11
                      Originally posted by wildphoenix
                      Since then, he has continued messaging and now is threatening us with a lawsuit lol.

                      What should we do?

                      Tell him to have his attorney contact you, cut off communication and be done with it.

                      He'll send a few more angry messages which you will just ignore and the problem will go away.

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                      • AdultB2B
                        Adult Site Broker
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 1493

                        #12
                        I feel it's always best to take the high road. Take it down.

                        Of course, I'd also ask that he pay you back for his talent fee and for any other talent that was paid for the shoot.
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                        • TheLegacy
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                          • Apr 2003
                          • 18083

                          #13
                          Check lawyer first
                          2nd check to see the popularity of the movie - if its a highly desired movie vs. filler
                          3rd ask if they plan on compensation for your loss in revenue

                          try to remove it but if its a greatly sourced movie you may need to discuss further

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                          • 2MuchMark
                            Mark of 2Much.net
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 50984

                            #14
                            Originally posted by wildphoenix
                            We received a text yesterday from a former male talent from last year. In his text, he demands that we remove a HJ scene we published with him in it, because he was under the impression that we would.. not publish it...?
                            The video is a casting couch themed HJ that was his first ever shoot and is over a year old now, and he is just now bringing this up? I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that we stopped booking him for scenes late last year because of his performance issues.
                            While he says he wants it taken down because "he doesn't like the way he looks in it and he looks better now", he also accused us of telling him the scene was just for evaluation purposes and that we wouldn't publish or monetize it.

                            While we knew that was not true, we are huge on consent, so we went back and spoke with all of our other male talent in the last year that did the same shoot. Not only did they say that we absolutely told them it would be published, but they also pointed out that the paperwork they all signed (including the complaining male talent) states clearly that it is for publication/distribution and grants all the rights.


                            When we replied back that between our due diligence, the paperwork and talking to other talent, that it was not fair to us to have wasted money and time producing the video only for him to want it taken down, and that respectfully our answer is no.

                            Since then, he has continued messaging and now is threatening us with a lawsuit lol. On the one hand this whole thing is BS and has made us so upset. The fact that someone who we actually tried really hard to work with and was super patient with, can act like this.. is just crazy. I guess the easiest thing is to cut the losses and just take down the video, but to be honest Im really feeling like I would love for him to try.

                            What should we do?
                            If the scene isn't making money for you and or has no current or future value, then just just take it down. You save time and stress, and he's happy.

                            You could add a second win to this if it was public. "John's video was removed upon request because we value our talent and our own's reputation".

                            On the other hand, if its valuable to you, and you paid for it, it's yours to do what you want with. In any basic contract, you as the producer or shooter own the content.

                            Another thing you could do maybe is offer him an "Exclusive License" to the content. He pays you, you take it down, and he uses it for whatever he wants, or he just doesn't do anything at all. That way the content is removed and you are paid.

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                            • xxxclusive
                              Confirmed User
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 785

                              #15
                              As he signed paperwork everything is ok for you. The mistake was to take his request serious and reply with "no".

                              Would have simply ignored him.

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                              • ross bleustein
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jul 2015
                                • 233

                                #16
                                Model Release Forms

                                If you had done proper Model release Forms , this would be a non-issue

                                We did an interview , made them let us film ID and made them say they were there under no duress

                                You dont shoot unless ducks in a row

                                good luck

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                                • KyleC
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                                  • May 2012
                                  • 327

                                  #17
                                  Tell him "go fuck yourself"
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                                  • Kelli58
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                                    • Aug 2006
                                    • 2256

                                    #18
                                    You know the crazy part is that now, due to new laws in North Carolina, no matter what you paid him and what paperwork he signed at the time of the shoot, if he lives in NC (and possibly Canada in the near future), then you have to take it down.

                                    How fucked up is that?

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                                    • celandina
                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                      • Jun 2006
                                      • 11725

                                      #19
                                      AI will rule soon and all this will go away for AI porn

                                      Porn producers are fucked UNLESS somebody challenges the validity of a law which negates a lawful contract. But with Trump and his MAGA about, this likely would be a lose lose proposition

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