Are Tubes the end game?

[Paul Markham]

In giving away free porn or will someone come up with something better to give away more free porn to sell ad space?

Remember people thought TGPs were the end game.

I'm ignoring piracy sites and methods and sticking to legal.

[Coup]

Abandon ship

[DVTimes]

it wiull be the end (or start) when sites start to open up members areas free.

[Paul Markham]

it wiull be the end (or start) when sites start to open up members areas free.

One of the few times we agree.

I can see a time when sites decide to make the most money they will start zipping as much as they can into one file, plastering the content with ads and then offering it for free.

Every thought TGPs were the end game and many were whooping about how great they were. Of course any moron could see that the future was going to lead to more free content than paid for content and even less buyers.

The writing was there in the Stats, more surfers was the only thing keeping the system going. Once that leveled off. The holes would appear.

[Brujah]

Until prostitution is legal and then we can start sending whores to your door.

[Zorgman]

Once you reach 1gb of downloads from the members area we will send you 1 hooker. Maximum 2 hookers per night.

[CPA37710T]

excuse me... but with all due respect, whoever voted yes its a fucking ignorant

[gideongallery]

your missing a choice

no because tube sites bring revenue streams to those people have a brain

[seeandsee]

End will be when they offer full HD videos, and no ads on pages

[Chosen]

This poll is kinda limited...

[marlboroack]

I'll give you the truth if the content come's with a license

[DVTimes]

why start a new thread?

is it becase mine was doing well so you thought it may be a good reason to do one?

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1021006

[TheDoc]

Holy crap! I agree with Gideon!

[slapass]

We are already seeing the pendulum swing the other way. Look for your favorite solo girl on the tubes. She is not there. Same with Girls Gone Wild. Some people are figuring out how to get their stuff off the tubes for good.

[Paul Markham]

Holy crap! I agree with Gideon!

Those with a brain grabbing the last straw left.

The real clever ones are getting out of porn.

Which so far has one vote.

[rogueteens]

excuse me... but with all due respect, whoever voted yes its a fucking ignorant

i don't see why. the only things tubes arn't giving away free are fleshlights (yet).
Choose a pornstar, a situation or a niche (even illegal niches) and someone will easily be able to provide a link to a full length movie on a tube that covers whatever you want.
Lets face it, the big tubes are killing the industry by giving away everything in the chase for big traffic so they can sell advertising space to idiots who don't realise that that the spots are useless for selling porn on.

Porn used to be famous for being recession-proof but combine a recession and totally free porn then if you stay on the side of being legal then you have to see a downturn in profits.

[CaptainHowdy]

[TheDoc]

Those with a brain grabbing the last straw left.

The real clever ones are getting out of porn.

Which so far has one vote.

The actual smart people make money where ever they can make money. Which is why I push mobile porn and I own mainstream products, which btw is a tangible product that we give many full product samples of away for free, which creates major attraction to our seminars, and of course we sell other products as well, which overall brings in more people at trade shows, selling our main product at discounted prices, which in the end draws in very top quality traffic to our site which sells everything at a 20% markup, hell the email opt-ins before a mailing are worth $20 per email, on the opt-in landing page alone.

You're so far disconnected from the marketing reality around you it's not even funny.

[Jack Sparrow]

Shutup paul.

[2intense]

Yes there's nothing more to give away

[Barefootsies]

You're so far disconnected from the marketing reality around you it's not even funny.

[cooldude7]

u cant beat free.....

[brassmonkey]

things change just like electronics and cars etc... porn will change as well.why do you keep asking tube stuff?

[96ukssob]

id like to hear the response of some old timers that jumped ship back in the TGP days thinking adult was over and compare that to everyone now.

I really started promoting adult more when TGPs were getting popular, so to me, tubes are just nothing more than something that was bound to happen sooner or later

[Sid70]

Who's buying porn actually? Who's making money with tubes?

[Tom_PM]

Tubes didnt happen in a vacuum though.
1 free pic, 10 free pics, 20 free hardcore pics in high resolution. 1 free clip, 3 free clips, 3 free hardcore clips with maximum 2 links off the page. 1 minute clips in shitty flash, 1 hour movies in shitty flash with popups.. and whats tomorrow? 1080p 3D with commercial breaks and optional commentary?

[Choker]

This shit about tubes and especially you Paul are getting old as hell. Face fucking facts: you didnt adapt your out of the game, and your crying over spilt milk is pathetic.

[pornmasta]

free real whores: the next extreme.

[camperjohn64]

I am going to re-launch my old TGP/MGP this week with all my sponsor content. I am going to experiment with making the pictures really small, with fat red "X" marks across them. My idea is that if the surfer is frustrated by the small / unjerkable images, maybe my conversions will go up.

[Agent 488]

the internet is dynamic and always evolving and changing.

where is the money and traffic going?

rumor has it some company from montreal is behind filsonic. take of that what you will.

[brassmonkey]

the internet is dynamic and always evolving and changing.

where is the money and traffic going?

rumor has it some company from montreal is behind filsonic. take of that what you will.

that's big finger your pointing. at manwich

[Agent 488]

that's big finger your pointing. at manwich

lots of porn companies there, not pointing at them.

[Ronzo]

Only a sucker pays for porn.

[LiveDose]

The instant virtual pussy will be the end game. Until then business goes on.

[NickB.]

- submit galleries get 2 uniques a day... spend time on design cropping....
- submit 1 video cut and get 20,000 uniques a day... get listed forever... spend 1 minute..

Let me think... uhmmmm.....

[NetHorse]

Even if it was end-game what are you prepared to do about it?

Besides, the real threat are forums like pornbb, realraptalk, planetsuzy, etc, etc.

They have countless paysite member areas ripped, sometimes in HD, available for download. The amount of traffic they get combined is staggering, and so is the rate at-which they're growing. Wait until it gets mainstream like torrents.

A tube site riddled with ads, low quality, blurry video that has to buffer every 20 seconds in disorganized categories is yesterday's threat to this industry. A forum with 500,000 users sharing full length videos for download is what should scare you.

I could buy a $9 hotfile account and download $5,000 worth of porn in 1 hour using a download manager, faster than I would be able to if I actually bought memberships. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, PAUL MARKHAM

[NetHorse]

- submit galleries get 2 uniques a day... spend time on design cropping....
- submit 1 video cut and get 20,000 uniques a day... get listed forever... spend 1 minute..

Let me think... uhmmmm.....

If you're a site owner, by all means. Good luck getting 20k unique views as an affiliate though.

[Scott McD]

Only a sucker pays for porn.

Sad but probably true...

[pornmasta]

Only a sucker pays for porn.

[just a punk]

There was no right option so I didn't vote. Tubes are just start of the game, but not it's end. Personally I convert mainstream niches from LEGAL tubes as 1:2500 and fetish niches as 1:90. These ratios are absolutely ok with me.

As about the illegal (thievish) tubes, so their owners are also started understanding that their conversion sucks so they are also moving (turning back) to the paysite promotion model.

[Paul Markham]

id like to hear the response of some old timers that jumped ship back in the TGP days thinking adult was over and compare that to everyone now.

I really started promoting adult more when TGPs were getting popular, so to me, tubes are just nothing more than something that was bound to happen sooner or later

Tubes didnt happen in a vacuum though.
1 free pic, 10 free pics, 20 free hardcore pics in high resolution. 1 free clip, 3 free clips, 3 free hardcore clips with maximum 2 links off the page. 1 minute clips in shitty flash, 1 hour movies in shitty flash with popups.. and whats tomorrow? 1080p 3D with commercial breaks and optional commentary?

Agreed. Everyone thought TGPs were the end game, until Tubes sprang up. What will be next is the big question. The answer will be less sales. Unless someone can come up with something very innovative. And that's unlikely.

This shit about tubes and especially you Paul are getting old as hell. Face fucking facts: you didnt adapt your out of the game, and your crying over spilt milk is pathetic.

I've adapted far more in porn than you ever will, because the doors are closing for you.

[TheDoc]

I've adapted far more in porn than you ever will, because the doors are closing for you.

I would love to see your list of things you've done to adapt.....

[Paul Markham]

Even if it was end-game what are you prepared to do about it?

Besides, the real threat are forums like pornbb, realraptalk, planetsuzy, etc, etc.

They have countless paysite member areas ripped, sometimes in HD, available for download. The amount of traffic they get combined is staggering, and so is the rate at-which they're growing. Wait until it gets mainstream like torrents.

A tube site riddled with ads, low quality, blurry video that has to buffer every 20 seconds in disorganized categories is yesterday's threat to this industry. A forum with 500,000 users sharing full length videos for download is what should scare you.

I could buy a $9 hotfile account and download $5,000 worth of porn in 1 hour using a download manager, faster than I would be able to if I actually bought memberships. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, PAUL MARKHAM

Yes free porn is the real threat. Tubes are easy and legal and only part of the problem.

And yet the industry carries on trying to sell the same thing it sold in 1998. Just bigger and HD.

Like Choker the amount of adaptation going on is pitiful.

If I were 45 and still had the studio and my money to make, I would be adapting. Maybe to live porn, maybe to shooting weddings. I WOULD NOT be still selling pre recorded porn. That's a mugs game for those stuck in the past.

Put that in you pipe and smoke it Choker.

[goldassets]

Only a sucker pays for porn.

thanks for paying then surfer.

[Jakez]

why start a new thread?

is it becase mine was doing well so you thought it may be a good reason to do one?

http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1021006

He doesn't do one, he makes a couple tube and free porn threads every week. Saying the same old thing, yet he's never ran a tube or dealt with anything he talks about and basically has no clue how the internet works in general. He doesn't post threads discussing content producing or selling, stuff he knows about. He doesn't have to deal with the state of the industry or anything because he is retired mostly from his workings offline. Leaving many to wonder why he even uses the internet? Can't teach an old dog new tricks.

[DWB]

Why only give it away when you can PAY surfers to watch it? You'll make so much money you won't know what to do with it.

It will be like 1998 all over again.

[Choker]

I've adapted far more in porn than you ever will, because the doors are closing for you.

I prolly paid twice as much in taxes than you made last year. I bust my ass 12 to 15 hours a day 7 days a week. And I adapt FAST. You find it so hard to believe that many people are not only making money, they are making more than ever before, because you are a single minded idiot. You think this "industry" is restricted to selling porn paysite memberships? Because nobody is buying your shitty ass content you think the "industry" is dead? You are by far the biggest idiot on this board.

[Seth Manson]

Personally I convert mainstream niches from LEGAL tubes as 1:2500 and fetish niches as 1:90. These ratios are absolutely ok with me.

Those ratios would cause me to have a panic attack.

[Paul Markham]

I prolly paid twice as much in taxes than you made last year. I bust my ass 12 to 15 hours a day 7 days a week. And I adapt FAST. You find it so hard to believe that many people are not only making money, they are making more than ever before, because you are a single minded idiot. You think this "industry" is restricted to selling porn paysite memberships? Because nobody is buying your shitty ass content you think the "industry" is dead? You are by far the biggest idiot on this board.

You probably did. I don't pay taxes. I'm retired.

I made enough money working 4-5 hours a day, 5 days a week to earn a living. And that was a busy week.

As for adaptation read this. http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18115792&postcount=149

As for finding it hard to believe people don't make money online. Where did you read that? I never said it, so you must be wrong. I said "Porn doesn't make the money it used to."

No doubt a lot of Ma & Pa ops make a living and one or three make a very good living. Do they make the money the porn moguls made in the past? Not even in the same ball park.

The online porn industry it all about selling memberships. Unless there's income coming from somewhere else online. I really don't understand that part of your post. Without memberships to paysites, Cam or Dating, where beside pills is money coming into online porn?

From there on your post got more and more stupid.

[bjlover]

You probably did. I don't pay taxes. I'm retired.

I made enough money working 4-5 hours a day, 5 days a week to earn a living. And that was a busy week.

As for adaptation read this. http://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18115792&postcount=149

As for finding it hard to believe people don't make money online. Where did you read that? I never said it, so you must be wrong. I said "Porn doesn't make the money it used to."

No doubt a lot of Ma & Pa ops make a living and one or three make a very good living. Do they make the money the porn moguls made in the past? Not even in the same ball park.

The online porn industry it all about selling memberships. Unless there's income coming from somewhere else online. I really don't understand that part of your post. Without memberships to paysites, Cam or Dating, where beside pills is money coming into online porn?

From there on your post got more and more stupid.

I guess your definition of enough money is being broke, with no business and with no life outside webmaster forums.

You have zero life apart from forums, you post from morning till night the same old shit all day

You cant accept that you didn't make money and now you are so bitter you do NOTHING at all apart from post all day every day on adult forums.

If it wasn't so fucking tragic and sad it would be funny.

You REALLY need to move on with your life. Watching you having a serious mental breakdown was funny for about a year, now it is seriously tragic.

Do you seriously have nothing else in your life? Can't you find a hobby or anything to do in your so called retirement. You are so very bitter and sad I feel sorry for you.