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  • MyNameIsEmily
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2005
    • 887
    #1

    Can the Church Or Mormon Stop Me From Linking To Thier Site?

    The Church of Mormon has a links section, open to anyone:

    "Below is the button you MUST use to link back to the site. Before I validate your account I will go to the front page of your site and if I don't see it with your link I won't validate your account. You can also use text links, but the button must be on your site as well. We check your site hourly to make sure it is there."
    Well, they threatened my host yesterday and now my host is treatening me:

    remove any and all links to 'The Church of Mormon' and 'Church of mormon.com'
    The hosted site in question does not, not has ever had, persmission to use the following images or trademarks ANYWHERE or for ANY reason: Church of Mormon, The; Church of Mormon; www.chrurchofmormon.com.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...hurch/logo.gif [created/owned by Church of Mormon.]
    Ok, so they renegged on the written agreement for me to use the button. I guess they might be able to file DMCA on that, but ins't that descrimination?

    And what about the text links? Surely, they can't bully me into removing those- I can link up to anyone I want, can't I?
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    • NoComments
      Confirmed User
      • Jan 2005
      • 4957
      #2
      you can't link to
      http://winetalk.com

      but you can link to
      http://talkwine.com

      if you ask a written permission,
      you can link to
      http://talkdali.com
      (should be approved by Dali himself)
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        • warlock5
          Confirmed User
          • Jan 2004
          • 2808
          #3
          I wouldn't be too concerned, if you are, just don't hyperlink it. I recall a lawsuit against 2600 to remove links to DeCSS back in 1999 or 2000. The judge ruled that they couldn't hyperlink to the program but they could have text links.

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            • dasexi1
              Confirmed User
              • Jul 2002
              • 934
              #4
              why would you want to link to the Mormon's site?

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                • After Shock Media
                  It's coming look busy
                  • Mar 2001
                  • 35299
                  #5
                  Did you not just post a thread about preventing people from linking to you earlier today?
                  Also why in the hell do you want to link to the mormon church?

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                    • pussyluver
                      Clueless OleMan
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 11009
                      #6
                      maybe they can do something with htaccess. Stop you from linking is out of their control. I suppose they could attempt to make a legal issue of it, but don't think it would get anywhere? Not an attorney so just a lay opinion. Their attention to you would bring attention from the government, so you'd have to be squeakie clean...

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                        • The Apprentice
                          Confirmed User
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 839
                          #7
                          Originally posted by pussyluver
                          maybe they can do something with htaccess. Stop you from linking is out of their control.
                          Is it legally?
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                            • Mr Pheer
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 22082
                              #8
                              Just stop being an ass and take the links down. Its clear that they dont want a link from you.

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                                • ssp
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jan 2005
                                  • 7990
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by MrPheer
                                  Just stop being an ass and take the links down. Its clear that they dont want a link from you.
                                  read this and buy a clue

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                                    • broke
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Aug 2003
                                      • 4501
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by warlock5
                                      The judge ruled that they couldn't hyperlink to the program but they could have text links.
                                      Obviously -- because a 'text link' is not a hyperlink...


                                      Perfect Gonzo

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                                        • TheMob
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jan 2003
                                          • 8584
                                          #11
                                          What's your site? That's pathetic.

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                                            • MyNameIsEmily
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jan 2005
                                              • 887
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by MrPheer
                                              Just stop being an ass and take the links down. Its clear that they dont want a link from you.

                                              Excuse me?
                                              I'll be however I want, thank you.

                                              what i'm asking is of LEGAL nature. kthxbi.

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                                                • After Shock Media
                                                  It's coming look busy
                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                  • 35299
                                                  #13
                                                  What the hell are you linking from anyways?
                                                  You did just give the Mormon church a link off of GFY so whats yours?

                                                  [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                                                    • psyko514
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                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 22366
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by MyNameIsEmily
                                                      Excuse me?
                                                      I'll be however I want, thank you.

                                                      what i'm asking is of LEGAL nature. kthxbi.
                                                      you sniff glue, don't you?

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                                                        • pussyluver
                                                          Clueless OleMan
                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                          • 11009
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by MyNameIsEmily
                                                          Excuse me?
                                                          I'll be however I want, thank you.

                                                          what i'm asking is of LEGAL nature. kthxbi.
                                                          The right thing to do is pull the links.

                                                          Legally, I don't think they can stop you. Drudge links to sites all the time that would prefer he didn't I suspect. He can swamp a server for sure. Since I'm not an attorney versed in that area of the law, MY opinion doesn't mean much. You could prolly get two answers from two different attoneys too.

                                                          You have no control who links to your site directly. I don't know what context you are linking to them in? If you are reporting a point of view or information they have, I believe that is all free speach as long as you site them or link to their index page etc.. If you are hot linking and using their art without permission, that is another issue. I think the context of your usage is paramont to the question.

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                                                            • pussyluver
                                                              Clueless OleMan
                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                              • 11009
                                                              #16
                                                              If you are serious about getting the right answer, this is the wrong place. Hire an attorney review exactly what you are doing and get a written opinion from him or her. That way you have someone to sue when you get sued.

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                                                                • pornguy
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                  • 62910
                                                                  #17
                                                                  If that site is a church site, I would stay the hell away from it. If you are running a mainstream site, then give it a try.

                                                                  but Adult+Church= more heat than you need.
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                                                                    • Monique Niccole
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                      • 5653
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Why would you want to link to someone who doesn't want your link? It seems like maybe you're just trying to be a pain in the ass. Linking to their church site can't possibly bring you any money. Let it go.

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                                                                        • Spunky
                                                                          I need a beer
                                                                          • Jun 2002
                                                                          • 133978
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Do the right thing and drop it

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                                                                            • pussyluver
                                                                              Clueless OleMan
                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                              • 11009
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Winetalk
                                                                              you can't link to
                                                                              http://winetalk.com

                                                                              but you can link to
                                                                              http://talkwine.com

                                                                              if you ask a written permission,
                                                                              you can link to
                                                                              http://talkdali.com
                                                                              (should be approved by Dali himself)
                                                                              As long has you haven't set a block in place I can link to any of them. But here's the deal. I'll want to charge you for the traffic. Something in me says, go for the drama. But not worth the hassle, so I won't. So we'll let some other fool fuck with ya.

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                                                                                • pussyluver
                                                                                  Clueless OleMan
                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                  • 11009
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by pornguy
                                                                                  If that site is a church site, I would stay the hell away from it. If you are running a mainstream site, then give it a try.

                                                                                  but Adult+Church= more heat than you need.

                                                                                  Adult + church gives all of us a head ache. I don't link to church sites, so why do those bible thumbin fools keep ringing the door bell so early on Saturday morning? They hand me religious brochures, maybe I should hand them porn... Oh yeah, they'd call the police and who knows what would happen.

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                                                                                    • Relish XXX
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                                                      • 4904
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      I think it is nasty to add your link to a church site. Just the thing the adult industry doesnt need.

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                                                                                        • Bobbi Doll
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Dec 2004
                                                                                          • 561
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          There isn't even a churchofmormon.com. I just went there and it said "Page cannot be displayed".

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                                                                                            • junction
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                              • 2411
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by MyNameIsEmily
                                                                                              what i'm asking is of LEGAL nature.
                                                                                              Then maybe you should ask your fucking attorney....you think?

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                                                                                                • MyNameIsEmily
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jan 2005
                                                                                                  • 887
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Afrekete
                                                                                                  Why would you want to link to someone who doesn't want your link? It seems like maybe you're just trying to be a pain in the ass. Linking to their church site can't possibly bring you any money. Let it go.

                                                                                                  Can you shut up with that?

                                                                                                  I don't care who thinks I'm being a bitch- all I care about is the LAW. Opinions NOT needed.

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                                                                                                    • OG LennyT
                                                                                                      Wall Street Pimp
                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                      • 14345
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Dont link to the Mormons.. fanatic cult they are and heat you will receive

                                                                                                      (I think this was mentioned already but fuck it)
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                                                                                                        • POed-poster
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                                          • 1588
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by MyNameIsEmily
                                                                                                          Can you shut up with that?

                                                                                                          I don't care who thinks I'm being a bitch- all I care about is the LAW. Opinions NOT needed.
                                                                                                          You need to provide more info. Why do you have a link to their site? What is the purpose? Are you linking to them FROM a porn site? Are you linking to their site just to piss them off? What do you hope to gain by ignoring their request to take the link down?

                                                                                                          I can't see how this can make you any money and they could put a real hurting on you if they wanted to (e.g., pressure a local DA to file obscenity charges against you). Adult webmasters have enough battles to fight with the extreme right. It's not in our best interest to 'create' new ones.
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                                                                                                            • MyNameIsEmily
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Jan 2005
                                                                                                              • 887
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by POed-poster
                                                                                                              You need to provide more info. Why do you have a link to their site? What is the purpose? Are you linking to them FROM a porn site? Are you linking to their site just to piss them off? What do you hope to gain by ignoring their request to take the link down?

                                                                                                              I can't see how this can make you any money and they could put a real hurting on you if they wanted to (e.g., pressure a local DA to file obscenity charges against you). Adult webmasters have enough battles to fight with the extreme right. It's not in our best interest to 'create' new ones.
                                                                                                              I don't see what the purpose has to do with anything. And if I tell you, it will most definitely will sway you.

                                                                                                              But no, I'm not linking to them to piss them off.
                                                                                                              Yes, the information I have on them pisses them off. I am the ANTI-CHURCH OF MORMON.

                                                                                                              And Basically,
                                                                                                              they're just LOOKING for holes in my system to shut me down. And when they find them they write my host, threatening to contact his bandwidth provider...
                                                                                                              The shit get's old. Is there no FREEDOM OF THE PRESS?

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                                                                                                                • rezdesign
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                                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                  • 1502
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  hm, I think this is the most interesting thing on GFY all day..

                                                                                                                  church of mormon? what IS a mormon anyway? my only source is this south park episode when they do the whole history about some guy from Ohio (or something) inventing a religion back in the 1800s. Joseph Smith i think..?

                                                                                                                  anyone know more about it?
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                                                                                                                    • MyNameIsEmily
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                      • 887
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by rezdesign
                                                                                                                      hm, I think this is the most interesting thing on GFY all day..

                                                                                                                      church of mormon? what IS a mormon anyway? my only source is this south park episode when they do the whole history about some guy from Ohio (or something) inventing a religion back in the 1800s. Joseph Smith i think..?

                                                                                                                      anyone know more about it?
                                                                                                                      Yes, I know a shit load about it.

                                                                                                                      Anyone know more about the legalities of posting links?

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                                                                                                                        • rezdesign
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                          • 1502
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by MyNameIsEmily
                                                                                                                          Yes, I know a shit load about it.

                                                                                                                          Anyone know more about the legalities of posting links?
                                                                                                                          just did a quick google search, check this out:

                                                                                                                          http://forum.freeadvice.com/archive/.../t-189880.html

                                                                                                                          okamsrazor:
                                                                                                                          You do not need permission to post a link to someone elses site, as long as you make sure the link is understood to NOT be part of your site. A link is just a pointer to an HTML page, you can point wherever you want.

                                                                                                                          can you post more info about mormons now? or your site link?
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                                                                                                                            • MyNameIsEmily
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                              • 887
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by rezdesign
                                                                                                                              just did a quick google search, check this out:

                                                                                                                              http://forum.freeadvice.com/archive/.../t-189880.html

                                                                                                                              okamsrazor:
                                                                                                                              You do not need permission to post a link to someone elses site, as long as you make sure the link is understood to NOT be part of your site. A link is just a pointer to an HTML page, you can point wherever you want.

                                                                                                                              can you post more info about mormons now? or your site link?
                                                                                                                              I know nothing abøut mormons.

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                                                                                                                                • rezdesign
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 1502
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by MyNameIsEmily
                                                                                                                                  Yes, I know a shit load about it.
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by MyNameIsEmily
                                                                                                                                  I know nothing abøut mormons.
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                                                                                                                                    • The Apprentice
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 839
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Hi.

                                                                                                                                      You can link anything you want.

                                                                                                                                      Bye.
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                                                                                                                                        • MyNameIsEmily
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                                          • 887
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          bump fo my niggas just waking up.

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                                                                                                                                            • KorayIsSexy
                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                              • 146
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Yeah. Im going to go ahead and say you can text link to anyone you want. As long as you stop using that copyrighted image.

                                                                                                                                              I'm going to search DMCA and free speech laws now. But I am pretty sure I wont find anything to the contrary.

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                                                                                                                                                • KorayIsSexy
                                                                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                  • 146
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Im not double posting intentionally, I just.. cant edit my last post o_O

                                                                                                                                                  Anyways, after reviewing some court cases and laws I am going to say that it is almost definately legal. As long as you arent linking to a file, or image that they have copyrights or patents to. Also, you have to link to a "surface" page. IE: You have to link to the main page, not a page that is rooted in the site, for example, churchofmorons.com/afolder/anotherfolder/blah/thisisapage.html.

                                                                                                                                                  Apparently many court cases have dismissed the charges as unconstitutional under the first ammendment. And I asked a few lawyer friends, they all say that you can link to any page you want as long as you follow those guidelines I listed above. Adding a disclaimer denying affiliation with the site in question couldnt hurt either.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Manansala
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                                                      • 551
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Please be careful Emily. Unsolicited linking begets danger to your backyard. Many people doesn't know it but lots of .coms died coz of legal issues.
                                                                                                                                                      I don't have a signature. !

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                                                                                                                                                        • Manowar
                                                                                                                                                          jellyfish  
                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 71528
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by MrPheer
                                                                                                                                                          Just stop being an ass and take the links down. Its clear that they dont want a link from you.
                                                                                                                                                          Werd up.

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                                                                                                                                                            • Monique Niccole
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 5653
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by MyNameIsEmily
                                                                                                                                                              Can you shut up with that?

                                                                                                                                                              I don't care who thinks I'm being a bitch- all I care about is the LAW. Opinions NOT needed.
                                                                                                                                                              If you don't want general opinions, then lay out the cash to go to a fucking lawyer and stop asking on GFY.

                                                                                                                                                              Keep the link up. I hope a pack of rabid Mormons comes to your house and ass-rapes you.

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                                                                                                                                                                • MyNameIsEmily
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                                                                  • 887
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  I'll remember that.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • nofx
                                                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 16826
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      dont remove it

                                                                                                                                                                      fuck religion

                                                                                                                                                                      piss them off some more and burn down their churches

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                                                                                                                                                                      When sickness comes I must decide:
                                                                                                                                                                      When feelings go, theres suicide.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • MyNameIsEmily
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                                                                          • 887
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by nofx
                                                                                                                                                                          dont remove it

                                                                                                                                                                          fuck religion

                                                                                                                                                                          piss them off some more and burn down their churches

                                                                                                                                                                          Fuck yea!

                                                                                                                                                                          Hunters dead, but gonzo lives!

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