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08-21-2003, 12:08 AM

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The number of people who didn't know about the ICRA in this thread is downright sad. Makes me wonder where the hell you people have been?

Guess you did right on this thread Lars - I'd never have thought people who had been in the biz for more than a month would have missed this, but evidently some have been in it for years and still don't know about it.

Huh ...wow ... "sad" you're right.

About a year and half ago I tried to code a dynamically interactive rating system on a per page basis (thinking browser wars over now and rating systems mature).

In other words - the users of my site could rate the page according to ICRA.org and some pages would show and some would not depending on the personal setting in the web brower.

The PROBLEM was the "politics" of the rating system (IMO) AND the web browser was buggy in doing what it was supposed to do.

I eventually rated SexEducation.com with THE HIGHEST EXTREME CONTENT possible ... so entering any password ... any password disables SexEducation.com completely. In fact you have to reboot in order to test it.

Part of the problem with rating systems in the early days was the damn browsers would not work with them. Same thing with cookies and Microsoft INSTANTLY changing the date format.

IMO - if you haven't done due dillegence and rated your page - you're a target for litigation of some type - especially if you show aroused genitals or reproductive bodily fluids on your directly accessed domain name. You can't have it both ways. Hardcore AND not rated - "risk management" as learned right here on GFY ...lol

Rate your page it's simple and it's easy.

And if you think about it.
A website that has taken the time to rate it's page - would it not be more likely to contain the information it says - think Google algorithms now.

A few of my thoughts.
SexEducation.com has been rated for several years ...
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08-21-2003, 03:58 AM

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08-21-2003, 01:21 PM

Ther are also Now server side labeling instead of doing one page you can rate your whole server on both IIS and apache.

SO now you dont even have to change individual pages you just slap code into yoru config and your whole box is protected against people with the filter on..

THAT KICKS ASS !!!!

get to it people
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09-21-2003, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars
Ther are also Now server side labeling instead of doing one page you can rate your whole server on both IIS and apache.

SO now you dont even have to change individual pages you just slap code into yoru config and your whole box is protected against people with the filter on..

THAT KICKS ASS !!!!

get to it people

Here is the link for that

http://www.icra.org/_en/faq/server/

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09-21-2003, 06:15 AM

What is the easiest way of installing a ICRA label? shit looks complicating....

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09-21-2003, 06:17 AM

Originally posted by TheSenator
What is the easiest way of installing a ICRA label? shit looks complicating....

Just read, it takes only 2 minutes / site. I just labeled mine.
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09-21-2003, 06:25 AM

i just rated a domain with it

it doesnt take more than 30sec.
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09-21-2003, 06:28 AM

they should make a windows application, i bet the amount of sites that use icra rating would go many times up
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09-21-2003, 07:12 AM

I like ICRA. Before it was called that, it was RSACi (or something like that). It's been around forever, and is a serious step we can take to protect minors. Anyone who doesn't is taking a needless risk.

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09-21-2003, 07:17 AM

ICRA is very easy to do, I have it on my sites. It has no effect on sales.

You put a configuration in Apache to add the header to every page; you don't change the content itself.

You'd have to be a moron to be against this.

First, people with young kids DO want their kids to be able to explore on their own. You cannot sit with a child 24X7. A reasonable parent will get their kids a content filtering setup and keep an eye on things but maybe not every second.

Second, besides the fact that I actually DO want to block my site from kids, its a great legal defense that you took positive steps to block your site from children.

Personally, I would not want to stand in front of a jury and have to explain that I couldn't be bothered to do something that would take me maybe 10 minutes, or that I didn't want to because I was afraid I would loose some sales.

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09-21-2003, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by TheSaint
ICRA is very easy to do, I have it on my sites. It has no effect on sales.

You put a configuration in Apache to add the header to every page; you don't change the content itself.

You'd have to be a moron to be against this.

First, people with young kids DO want their kids to be able to explore on their own. You cannot sit with a child 24X7. A reasonable parent will get their kids a content filtering setup and keep an eye on things but maybe not every second.

Second, besides the fact that I actually DO want to block my site from kids, its a great legal defense that you took positive steps to block your site from children.

Personally, I would not want to stand in front of a jury and have to explain that I couldn't be bothered to do something that would take me maybe 10 minutes, or that I didn't want to because I was afraid I would loose some sales.

all good points.

you do lose a small amount of sales in my opinion, because surfers at work sometimes cannot get to your sites because their employers use content filtering to keep them off porn sites.

but, it's the RIGHT THING TO DO if you are serious about taking proactive steps to keep kids off your sites.

and there is another side benefit that protects the webmaster:

no court will ever be able to say you are deliberately trying to entice kids to your sites with a "misleading domain" if you label your sites.

it's good for the kids, and good for business overall.

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11-29-2003, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by uptheyingyang

no court will ever be able to say you are deliberately trying to entice kids to your sites with a "misleading domain" if you label your sites.

it's good for the kids, and good for business overall.

Good point,

That's my monthly bump..

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11-29-2003, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by NBDesign
in my opinion... it's up to the parents to keep their kids away from these sites... not the webmaster... or anyone else... The parents of today are too fucking lazy and expect us to be their babysitter... fuck that... that is their fucking job not mine.

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true, very true but also I don't think its a bad idea for us to do our part, if more and more of our fucked government seen that we were trying to make the internet safer for children then they might come down so hard on the adult industry, just a thought

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11-29-2003, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars
If you are serious about prtecting kids and you run adult sites or sites that would be bad to have children on you can enable thsi free service by placing a meta tag on your site. Then any parent who turns on content filtering in their internet explorer will have your site off limits. This is a great free tool for the industry to poolice itself that is not used often..

Go ahead turn on you content filter and surf around the web. See how many big sponsors use this free tool.

I found a few of my sites still not labeled and I will have that taken care of before the day is through tomorrow.

props to you as a big name for bringing attention to this service again...

have used it loads in the past, wish more would use it now...

clearly by not using it (and other similiar services) we scream at law-makers to police our industry for us...

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06-28-2004, 08:56 AM

Bumping this for the Newbs or people who still have not gotten with the program
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06-28-2004, 09:30 AM

Lars,

I have had the ICRA tag on my sites since day one.

I figure with this business located in the conservative midwest and having a warning page too, will protect me from most of the fallout that might happen as I am taking a proactive approach in protecting those that shouldn't be looking at our sites.

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06-28-2004, 09:31 AM

yes we're labeled with icra
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06-28-2004, 10:00 AM

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06-28-2004, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars
I totally agree they will not use this filter..

They suck but that does not mean we should not use it.
And when the government is deciding who is next on the obscenity target they will pic the ones who have not done anything to reduce the risk to kids.

if your in front of a judge do you want to be able to say sir I have done all that is in my power to protect and shiled those who should not and do not want to see this stuff.

Or do ya wanna say sir I dont give a shit about anyone but making a buck..

And its not like this takes but 5 miniutes of your time and has no financial impact on you at all.

Why would anyone not label their sites once they know about it ?

I started this thread to educate people that this is available for free and its easy to implement !

I call on everyone who is always yammering about how they care and are in this for the long haul to implement this on their sites Do the right thing.

exactly correct.

i've used ICRA on all my sites for about 2 years now.

you do lose a small amount of traffic, and your total sales may suffer very slightly due to many corporate environments having filtering turned on by default so workers cannot surf smut while on the clock---but the savings in B/W from surfers who cannot buy your product anyway probably makes the loss a wash. (13 year old boys don't have credit cards, and they are unquestionably surfing porn sites)

as this poster suggests (correctly) it is the responsible thing to do, and because it's the RIGHT thing to do any argument against it is moot.

no one who uses IRCA can be accused of violating the "missleading domain law" and it does show a proactive approach to keeping minors off your sites.
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08-05-2004, 01:47 PM

Bump for an important topic
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09-06-2004, 09:21 PM

This is a great way to self regulate the industry shows you care and that you are on it !
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09-07-2004, 09:54 AM

post here if you honor people by posting here if you use this great tool to protect people !
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09-07-2004, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars
http://www.icra.org/

Introduction
ICRA's dual aims are to:

protect children from potentially harmful material; and,
to protect free speech on the internet.
In short, ICRA is about choice not censorship.

As a web author, we invite you to use our system to generate a label which you can then apply to your site. The system is designed to be objective: ICRA makes no value judgements at all about any site.

Users - principally parents of young children - then apply their own judgement in deciding which sites should and should not be available in their homes or workplaces. This is done by means of the filtering software such as ICRAfilter or the Content Advisor function in Microsoft's Internet Explorer, first included in version 3.0 (released in February 1996). ICRA continues to work with software companies, ISPs and other industry members around the world to incorporate ICRA-based filtering into a variety of products.

So what do I have to do?
Labelling your site involves filling in a questionnaire and submitting it to ICRA. The form generates a label which you add to your web site. This is not visible to users but is read by the filter if this feature has been enabled. If you so choose, you may then add one of a choice of ICRA logo buttons or a text link to show that you have labelled your site.

Is it difficult?
No. Absolutely not. If you can copy and paste in a word processor, you can add a label to your site. If you can't copy and paste - we'll even show you how to do that as well!

For web professionals, we are able to offer advice on how to configure your servers to include ICRA labels in HTTP headers. This is the efficient, elegant way of labelling web content. Please click here.

How much does it cost?
It's free!

Why bother to label?
There are a number of compelling reasons why you should consider labelling your site with ICRA. Let's take four examples:

If you run a commercial site or any other site with little or no objectionable material you don't want your site to be blocked "by default." When a parent sets up the filter for their child, they will be offered an option to allow or disallow access to "sites that have no rating" (i.e. unlabelled sites). As the ICRA labelling system gathers momentum, more and more parents are likely to choose "disallow".
If you run a site designed specifically for children, labelling your site will make a positive, machine-readable statement that the site is "childsafe."
If you run an "adults only" site, an ICRA label is a simple step you can take to help to avoid access by children. As well as protecting children, it sends a clear signal to governments that the World Wide Web is willing and able to self-regulate, rather than have the heavy hand of legislation decide what is or is not acceptable.
All other things being equal, a site carrying an ICRA label is more likely to be perceived as trustworthy than one which is not.

The ICRA Questionnaire
Below is the list of "descriptors" in the ICRA questionnaire. You'll be asked to indicate (by check box) whether each one is present on your site. The descriptors fall into natural groups, some of which include "context modifiers." Further explanation is given in Definitions.

The questionnaire and help is also available in these additional languages:

Nudity and Sexual Material [Definitions]

Erections or female genitals in detail
Male genitals
Female genitals
Female breasts
Bare buttocks
Explicit sexual acts
Obscured or implied sexual acts
Visible sexual touching
Passionate kissing
None of the above
Context - this material ... [Definitions]

appears in a context intended to be artistic and is suitable for young children
appears in a context intended to be educational and is suitable for young children
appears in a context intended to be medical and is suitable for young children
Violence [Definitions]

Sexual violence / rape
Blood and gore, human beings
Blood and gore, animals
Blood and gore, fantasy characters (including animation)
Killing of human beings
Killing of animals
Killing of fantasy characters (including animation)
Deliberate injury to human beings
Deliberate injury to animals
Deliberate injury to fantasy characters (including animations)
Deliberate damage to objects
None of the above
Context - this material ...[Definitions]

appears in a context intended to be artistic and is suitable for young children
appears in a context intended to be educational and is suitable for young children
appears in a context intended to be medical and is suitable for young children
only appears in a sports related context
Language (No additional definition is felt necessary)

Explicit sexual language
Crude words or profanity
Mild expletives
None of the above
Other topics [Definitions]

Promotion of tobacco use
Promotion of alcohol use
Promotion of drug use
Gambling
Promotion of weapon use
Promotion of discrimination or harm against people
Material that might be perceived as setting a bad example for young children
Material that might disturb young children
None of the above
Chat [Definitions]

Chat
Moderated chat suitable for children and teens
Neither of the above
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Adding the label to your site and what happens next
There are two elements to an ICRA label:

the actual piece of code that carries the information about your site (the label); and,
either: one of a choice of "logo buttons" or a "Labelled with ICRA" text link you can display on your site if you so choose.
(The glossary includes definitions for all the key terms used here).

Full details of how to physically add the two elements to your site are given in FAQ 3.1 on the support page. As well as basic instructions, a complete "walk-through" is provided along with plenty of extra information to cover a range of situations. There's a separate set of instructions for professional webmasters responsible for large complex sites.

About a week after you rate your site (or a week after a date you give as the predicted publication date) the ICRA system will check whether the label is in place. If so, all well and good. If not, we'll contact you and see whether you need any further help. Ultimately however, sites not carrying the label more than 30 days after its issue will be deleted from the database.

Displaying an ICRA logo button or "Labelled with ICRA" text link without carrying the label is a breach of our terms and conditions, full details of which are available here.

ICRA makes both automated and manual checks on sites to verify that labels are in place and that they are applied appropriately.

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Protecting Kids with Digimarc?
As well as using the ICRA system to label your web site, if appropriate, you can also label your individual images as having "adult content." The Protecting Kids with Digimarc? scheme allows you to add a persistent watermark-like flag to your images which will stay with the images wherever they go on the internet. For full details of this free service, please click here.

SexEducation.com has had the HIGHEST rating for sex, violence and language at ICRA.org for I think 7 years now.

Just entering a password into a web browser will disable the domain completely.

If you haven't rated your site with ICRA.org - and in considersation of the NEW 2257 - jail time.

You go to now - period.

And if you post "aroused genitals or reproductive fluids on any directly accessed domain name" - the international internet community - finds it OBSCENE - jail.
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09-07-2004, 10:04 AM

Interesting ...
this is an old thread.

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09-12-2004, 09:10 AM

I wonder if some day a service pack will turn on irca filter by default and you will have to turn it off to view adult materials.
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02-26-2005, 11:08 AM

This is a great thread and needs to be looked at by everyone !
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02-27-2005, 10:05 AM

Reallly no one else has any input into this important tool fo keeping minors out of sites ?
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02-27-2005, 10:17 AM

ICRA has been on all of our sites.....for years now.

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02-27-2005, 11:19 AM

We have had them up from day one.

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02-27-2005, 11:45 AM

I labelled all my sites.
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02-27-2005, 11:55 AM

If you can't copy and paste - we'll even show you how to do that as well!

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03-02-2005, 09:32 PM

I am glasd to see that this tool is being used.
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03-02-2005, 10:04 PM

I had done this for some client sites, but thanks to this thread I was reminded to do it for my own.
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03-02-2005, 10:22 PM

Good thread, I'm also using it on most (if not all) of my adult domains
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04-27-2005, 10:47 PM

Yes and we are very much about making sure our 2257 is always on top of it as a matter of fact we have been called the toughest on the net when it comes to 2257 complience for our webcam models ! 2 forms of color ID on every model, and if there is ever even the slightest doubt I tell my staff to not let the models on !

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04-27-2005, 10:49 PM

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This sounds like a great thing here!

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05-25-2005, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by AlienQ

This sounds like a great thing here!

Yes this is an easy way for the adult community to do its part and show it cares.
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06-03-2005, 12:01 PM

This topic is more important than 2257 and .xxx

it portects kids much better than both of those things.
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06-03-2005, 12:08 PM

After careful thought, I'm doing this today. Given the prospect of mandatory .xxx on the horizon, this is certainly a lot better alternative. Besides, it shouldn't hurt sales at all - someone who is going to be surfing to a sponsor's site and purchasing a membership will not have child-level filtering settings in place. The kind of people who buy anyway are adults, not 12 year old kids. This just makes sense, and is responsible self-regulation.

Lars, thanks for posting this. This goes to show that the industry can be responsible, and do more to keep porn away from kids and those who do not wish to see it more than 2257 or .xxx ever could.

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06-03-2005, 12:11 PM

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Lars, great thread. I hope some people take notice of it. I have had most of my adult(ish) sites labelled for a couple of years, but you've just reminded me that I have missed a couple. Off I go to fix that.

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06-03-2005, 12:18 PM

I can't find any good reason not to do this, unless your site makes money by popup traffic, and even then, is it really worth it to shove popup banners down the throats of kids?

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06-03-2005, 12:23 PM

I have thousands of small sites within my domains. Do I have to label them all? Can I just label the root domain? Thanks

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06-03-2005, 12:50 PM

I've been using it on all my sites for years.

It's the only thing we should really have to do with our adult sites - parents and guardians should not leave loaded guns (unfiltered Internet) for kids to play with.

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06-04-2005, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by TheSenator

I have thousands of small sites within my domains. Do I have to label them all? Can I just label the root domain? Thanks

Some servers allow you to use some plugin to label all sites on teh server
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10-31-2005, 08:08 AM

Another Bump for a great tool
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10-31-2005, 08:58 AM

fuck it... anything to keep uncle sam off your back has gotta have some positives... preventive measures my friend... preventive measures

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10-31-2005, 10:02 AM

Parents should NOT let their children surf the internet unsupervised under any circumstance. Filters, ICRA or what ever they may use does not replace an attentive responsible parent.

The fact of the matter is that as long as parents have someone else to blame for their inability to be a responsible parent, then that is exactly what they will do. Unfortunately our industry is standing in the front of the blame line, when in reality tits and ass never hurt any child. Double penetration and tranny sex may twist the little heathen up a bit, but if the parent were sitting by his/her side it would never happen in the first place.

Get your filters or what ever helps you sleep at night but in the end, it's all about parenting.
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10-31-2005, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by LegendaryLars

This topic is more important than 2257 and .xxx

What happened to that black girl who was a minor just a few months ago that fooled everyone (LA dvd companies) with her IDs? That just kind of disappeared.

If with all the info we have to get on a model and she STILL turns out to be a minor... 2257 is not protecting anyone.
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DWB

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10-31-2005, 10:29 AM

WOJ should be coming any time now....
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