Originally posted by Lightspeed
BTW, who is the guy in her email to you? Boyfriend? Husband? Manager? All of the above?
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I think the offer is great for her. She should JUMP on it...
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501 bitchy models who think their shit dont stink and the grass is greener somewhere else.
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Yeah but what about your trademarked name? after 2 years or what ever she get that to?
I would do like the soap operas do get another face to go with the name. New season new fresh face.
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a real pimp would late her go....isn't her 'time' have passed...how many chicks would love to be the "next thing"...chicks are cheapIt IS what it ISComment
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Damn, Steve. I wanna be a Lightspeed Girl too.
Good luck. I mean that in all seriousness.
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Steve's situation is much more complex than that. If he did start paying Tawnee more, his other models would want more also. In the end, it would all lead to more money for the models and less profit for Lightspeed. Just because Tawnee makes Lightspeed millions a year doesnt mean Steve should pay her $500,000 per year just for posing nude.Originally posted by KRLComment
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Steve, you are a much nicer person than I'd be, under these circumstances.
No one reputable would work with her, she can't use her stage name since it doesn't belong to her... the most she'd be able to say is that she used to be a Lightspeed girl, she doesn't have the marketing ability to do too much or she'd have done her own thing and not been a Lightspeed girl...
she's got nothing but negatives in her way, quite kind of you to offer to help her, really.
And as a side note - Terri Welles was the Playboy bunny case, I hope someone else corrected that, I thought I saw it listed as Terri Weigel in an earlier post.Comment
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After two more years, all my existing content will be used. She can be "Tawnee Stone" and I'll own all her early content.Originally posted by devilspost
Wouldn't you love to own Jenna's first 4 years of content?Abra-cadabra!Comment
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Steve,
Are you really saying that you believe someone can use $9K in capital and make a site which throws off $10K per month after 3 months? If that's true, you should be making a DVD of it* and selling it for $500 a copy. I'll take 3. I mean, won't just the various scripts/billing startup costs you need for a paysite cost almost that?
* i.e. How to do it.Comment
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That is a very gracious offer.Originally posted by Lightspeed
I can't figure how this will benfit your company.. it sounds like your investing money to create competition for yourself.7Comment
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Originally posted by KRL
LMAO... Sure I would give someone $1 to bring me $5 all day as long as it didnt cost me $6 in other expenses... which you seem to be missing.
Also, He already gave her the $1, how many times is he suppose to pay her for the same shit. She is gone, she no longer works there but he is suppose to keep paying her. If he paid her 130K last year.
She is gone thats not the issue. The issue is whether or not he should pay her more to make her not compete against him. If he thinks she will take more then 24K away from him in future sales by starting her own site, then he might want to pay her more.
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
LOL I have the feeling you guys had this planned ahead of time and this whole thread was fake drama, you hyped up over her new site, just waiting for you to drop the new domain name for her site. If you weren't making 25% then I wouldn;t think this is the case. This is fake drama to hype tawnee's new site..Last edited by will76; 02-24-2005, 02:40 PM.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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$2000/mo for doing absolutely no work!!! man i would NEVER turn that deal down!!!Originally posted by Lightspeed
hope all goes well with ya'll steve, good luck
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fuck 'em .. they are nothing but a bunch of whores.I stay busy.Comment
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this has to be the fastest blowing up thread i have ever seen. i dont have much to say on this subject other than tawnee did contact us FTVCash and we turned her down. immediately after that i notified steve of this issue. i hope all gets worked out.Comment
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Originally posted by will76
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That's asking a lot of dedication from a model who you said couldn't even take the time to write in her fucking diary for the members. It'll never fly. Best to leave it alone...Originally posted by LightspeedComment
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I don't see a reason to have such a negative view on her from the info posted. They choose not to renew her contract. Basically, firing her. To keep her from going somewere else and competing they offer 2k a month. She wants to continue to work and make more than that. She may be spoiled or whatever, but I don't see how wanting to make more than 2k makes her a villan.
I can see LS point of view. They didnt want to renew an expensive contract on a girl whos sales are declining, is difficult to work with etc.
But it sounds like trying to have cake and eat it too. ie keeping her exclusive to LS at a small fraction of the cost while hoping she retires.Comment
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Yeah, I believe I could teach someone how to do it, esp if I have a $48k+ motivation to explain it to them. Remember content is usually a huge expense, that she won't have, since she IS the content.Originally posted by ULVideoAbra-cadabra!Comment
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So what do you think of my solution?Originally posted by bencAbra-cadabra!Comment
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I could be wrong here-
But I think all hell DID break loose here already..
don't you agree?
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This thread exposes how many naive wankers there are on this board.
She's either worth it to Steve's business. Or she's not.
The rest is spin, PR, fake drama.
This girl is everywhere on the web. She's in every bloody newsgroup, top to bottom.
Lightspeed made her, but she made Lightspeed. A mutually exploitive relationship.
They've already broken up, and now it's about jockeying for position.Comment
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I called it. My prediction was more based on the forthcoming emails from Tawnee however.Originally posted by kBizzleI could be wrong here-
But I think all hell DID break loose here already..
don't you agree?
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Steve, you have a perfect solution there bud ... do it.
The day shes gone I will promote your other girls a little more.
It's just that simple
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what many can't seem to understand about managing people
You simply cannot correct bad behavior and poor performance by offering more money. thats the exact same
thing as rewarding bad behavior and ends in disaster every time.
ANY POSITIVE CHANGE in behavior as a result of financial incentives are always short lived and in a month, or
two or three, he would be back in the same boat dealing with the same personal issues and frustrations and will
be regretting the decision to pay more money because it would just be throwing good money after bad.Comment
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Extremely well said.Originally posted by Pleasurepays
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Ask Steve Orenstein at WickedOriginally posted by Lightspeed
I'll tell you the answer is definitley YES.Comment
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Originally posted by Trade_MonkeyThe day shes gone I will promote your other girls a little more.
It's just that simple
Or you could promote the new Tawnee site instead..
Which is why the solution doesn't make sense to me as it takes a part of the LS market away from them.7Comment
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Steve, question for you which I'm sure you thought of...
How will your other models feel once they catch wind of the offer you'll be giving Tammy? Could this problem come about with each and every girl?Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted
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That part is a given. Its going to happen anyway. But if someone is going to run a new Tawnee site, it should be HER. The Lightspeed site will still have all her content from 18-22, and LOTS of it. The more she succeeds down the road, the more interest there will be in her prior content, don't you agree?Originally posted by kenny
Steve LightspeedLast edited by SteveLightspeed; 02-24-2005, 03:46 PM.Abra-cadabra!Comment
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It was said earlier in this thread, "teen models have expiration dates". Maybe we would make this part of our standard deal after a model works 4 years for us, and isn't a "teen" anymore. There are VERY few that will make it to four years, that is a long commitment for most 18 year old girls.Originally posted by Sly
Taylor Little and Raimi would be next, but I think they would rather stay with us and not become webmasters anyway.Abra-cadabra!Comment
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What about Tori Stone is she still with lightspeed?Comment
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No, she got pregnant, and lived happily ever after... (note to self: stop fucking the new models and getting them pregnant)Originally posted by bigdog
Steve LightspeedAbra-cadabra!Comment
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
You are thinking a second site will broaden the market for Tawnee Stone benefiting the orginal site.
I would think that the portion a second site takes away from the existing market outweighs that.
I think a second Tawnee Stone site is a bad thing that will hurt the orginal site more then it will probably ever help it.
Thats how I see it - although I could be completely wrong7Comment
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And is she really Tawnee's sisterOriginally posted by bigdog
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There will never be another Tawnee Stone teen site. And we still have over two years more of unreleased Tawnee content. Like I said before, she'll be 19 forever in LightspeedWorld!Originally posted by kenny
Plus, she says she will never do another hardcore, so I own the only hardcore video of her that exists.
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Than do whatever u need to do manOriginally posted by Lightspeed
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Steve, no matter if this was fake drama to hype her site or it was something you came up with just now. I think it's a great solution and I admire you for it. To many she would be kicked to the curb already and would not be able to bring in any more money, other than from TawneeStone.com. Now you will get that plus her new site, if she accepts the offer. It's a win-win situation.
She would be one stupid girl to not accept an offer like that. Good luck
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Wow, didn?t read every post but if she made 130k last year while still in college and is collecting unemployment comp with 2k a month compensation for a year doing nothing or 24k upfront and starting her own pay site with support, I think Steve is being more than fair.
Just wondering how she blew 130k in a year while in college and all the other monies that she got for previous years working for him.
Any ideas?
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You might as well name the new site "The new Tawnee Stone website" because that is what its going to be known as.Originally posted by Lightspeed
It will have a effect on the orginal site.
Whether it be a positive or negative effect and to what degree the effect is beyond me.
Good luck with it though, I hope whatever you do it works out best for everybody.7Comment
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I don't think that refusing to do hardcore is being a diva. Its a personal choice. Steve can't make her do hardcore if she doesn't want to; he doesn't 'own' her. However, he can choose to pay her less for what she's currently doing now. Maybe that's what this is all about.Originally posted by ZebraComment
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Tony404 -- your empathy for the girl is admirable, but the way I see this is it's all about business and personal responsibility.
We shoot our own girls too, so I know the pains well.
The model is raw material. Period. The product in this industry is the website. Yes, having good raw photogenic raw material is part of building a successful product, but it's a lot easier to find a cutie than it is to do all of the production, marketing and business it takes to make a website into a 7 figure a year success.
Dont get me wrong, the girls are people, more specifically they're employees. Treat 'em as such.
This girl has had a good 3-4 year run that net'd her into 6 figures. For an 18 year old to do nothing more than spend a few hours a week posing for pics, that's pretty fair compensation I'd say.
Ok, so now what's she gonna do? Uhm, excuse me, any model should know there's a limited time where they have the looks to bring the big bucks. Everyone should have a plan for the future. If she didn't and didn't do something smart with all that money, well, she's a dumb ass.
Now I can see where Steve maybe should have a bit of a soft spot and some extra loyalty to the star of his first major success. But you know, it sounds like he has already more than given that by paying her more for less than the other girls and now basically offering to pay her another $24K to do nothing.
Hate it for her, but it sounds like life is about to teach the girl a harsh lesson.Comment
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I know I should respect my "elders", and I'm sure you've forgotten 10 times as much as I know about this..... but I just don't buy that story. In this very thread wwe've hard about how it takes thousands of hours and millions of dollars to promote her into to what she is today, and now it only takes $9K and a few hours tutelage? And a $48K return on $24K over 2 years is some huge incentive for a program which brings in millions of dollars a year? All of these items can't be true, because some of them contradict eachother.Originally posted by Lightspeed
And maybe I'm being steered wrong, but of every successful webmaster I've spoken to about starting a successful site, while content isn't cheap, it isn't the "overwhelming" expense. And I haven't hear from one single person who's opinion I respected that even if you had free content, that a $9k budget would land you a successful site.
Of course, if what you really mean is that since you're going to own part of it that you're also going to send her a ton of your traffic, which would normally cost an arm and a leg, and you're also going to provide her with all sots of other stuff (scripts, etc), then that's a different story. But it would also be a different story from what we are hearing.Comment
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I think that is very generous and a very creative solution. I just hope she is smart enough to take it. The good thing is it will force her to grow up and grow some business sense.Originally posted by LightspeedComment
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Originally posted by Kimmykim
From what I got.. thats what she want to do... but for another company...Comment
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she can find a solo webmaster to work FOR her... like HotMelissa(or something like that) did..Originally posted by Kimmykim
With the right formula/website..some hard work.. she could make 100k+ year...Last edited by xxxdesign-net; 02-24-2005, 08:32 PM.Comment
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I am pretty sure that we have seen the video clips of her doing the mambo with some dude...Originally posted by LightspeedEarn up to $.03 per Visitor -> No Click Monetization!"Because the World Wide Web is all about two things: horrifyingly stupid psychodrama, and naked chicks."
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Queue the Socialists, oh sorry, Tony404 is already here. I would expect no less of a comment from you.Originally posted by tony404
My friend, this is capitalism, not a handout world. Steve offered a price, she accepted, there were no threats or violence involved.
If Steve lost a million on her, would you be asking her to 'help Steve out'?
I know you did not come right out and say it, I am merely basing this post on your years of left of Communism posts. Your implied message is understood.
Steve - Didn't you go thru this shit in the past, on a lesser scale, with that other chick. She thought she could make more on her own... where is she now? Nina something or other.Comment
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Huh? So you are going to reduce your cash flow by allowing a former contacted employee to build off your branding efforts?Originally Posted by Lightspeed
Here is my solution, let's see what she says to this idea:
I'm going to give her $24k to launch her own site, she can hire a graphics guy and photographer, pay billing, hosting ---we'll teach her how to run it and market it -- i'll take 25% for two years and then she can buy me out.
she can live off $15k over the first 3 months, spend 9k to get the site going -- it should be able to net $10k/month easily -- she'll live or die by her own efforts.
I'm going to "teach her how to fish"
Steve Lightspeed
Dude, you need to give David Marshlack a call from VoyeurDorm, he will show you how to handle this situation. He has been slapping "the help" into court room for years. If you do not show her who is the man she will strap it on and show you! Do not be a punk a bitch in this situation.
You should be loading her down right now with boxes of legal briefs, if it has gotten to the point where she has made up her mind that "Evil Steve" is preventing her from being a millionaire.
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