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  • sextoyking
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    • Dec 2001
    • 6034
    #51
    Originally posted by JohnnyUtah
    I think your an assclown for starting this thread.

    You shoulda just said: Im pissed...cuz now some sponsor has better sits then I do... Help!


    Give me a fucking break... You just sound like a jealous prick.

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      • TDF
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        • Mar 2002
        • 27296
        #52
        fiddy type shit
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          • gangbangjoe
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            • May 2004
            • 17693
            #53
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              • MickeyG
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                • May 2004
                • 4134
                #54
                which are you Jeff the Pot or the Kettle?

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                  • gangbangjoe
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                    • May 2004
                    • 17693
                    #55
                    Originally posted by toodamnfli
                    fiddy type shit




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                      • TheSaint
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                        • Jun 2003
                        • 991
                        #56
                        I don't really see what the uproar is about. Those sites are clearly marketed as 18 year olds. What freaks me out even more is - anyone get OMP new model notifications? About once a month I am getting 15-17 year old girls with their butt cheeks hanging out of thongs looking for (non-node, rightttttt) shoots.

                        Really the teen thing is just a fantasy and I don't see the issue as long as the site is clearly marketed as having 18 year old girls. I don't see where those sites step over the line.
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                          • Trax
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                            • 14486
                            #57
                            Weren't you caught shaving?? perfection jeff??
                            am I missing something....

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                              • uno
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                                • Dec 2002
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                                #58
                                Teen Revenue - Great looking sites

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                                  • psyko514
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                                    • Oct 2002
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                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
                                    This is an 18 year old dressed down to look 12

                                    http://teentopanga.com/tour.html
                                    Dressed down? Where? I see a chick with braces. People of all ages can get braces. At 18 years old, my ex-girlfriend still had hers. Hell, her dad got braces in his 40s.

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                                      • PerfectionGirls
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                                        • Oct 2002
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                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by TheLegacy
                                        acceptible by who's standards??

                                        we produce content to meet fantasies - whether they be milf's or gay - thats what porn is all about. As I said before, that its a matter of an individuals interpretation - what you see as being underage may not be to someone else.

                                        The adult industry for all the good it may have is still here to make money.. simple as that. We owe no explanation to anyone what does or does not appeal to members. To simply stop producing teen content for fear that they look under 18 opens up any website to witch hunts - which is what you are attempting now !!

                                        Using your logic we should stop producing gay content simply because it may cause divorces and alter teen men to grow up gay. The adult industry is not .. NOT .. responsible for how the content is perceived or what happens as a result. If so, then lawsuits would raining down.

                                        Sorry but this is your interpretation, it may be right - but this falls under the category of.. "if you dont like it then dont use it or sign up for it" rather than create a thread attempting to push your views onto others
                                        I agree to an extent, but all of what you used as examples are well within the limits of the law. While i do not care for gay content or the lifestyle I dont try to moralize, condem or push my personal views on others. I dont like it, I dont look. I see this as a different issue all together. Its not a moral issue for me at all. Ive pushed teen solo site girls since the day I started, all within the limits of the law and never dressing down a girl to look younger then she is. Making them look cute with a pony tail or something is one thing... making them look 12 or 13 is quite another. What I see here is a program using an illegal media in a legal fashion.

                                        I know without question the content of these sites are legal. Im not suggesting that they arnt. What I am questioning is the motive behind the way the models are portrayed. A new standard has been set for sure and nothing, not even the boundries of CP are sacred anymore.

                                        Sorry, its how I feel.
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                                          • Evil Chris
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                                            • Dec 2001
                                            • 13248
                                            #61
                                            What are you smokin? Just because a model (who's 22 by the way) has her hair tied up in pony tails and has braces, that offends you?

                                            I'd just echo The Legacy's post.


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                                                #62
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                                                  • justsexxx
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                                                    • Aug 2001
                                                    • 13723
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by Evil Chris
                                                    What are you smokin? Just because a model (who's 22 by the way) has her hair tied up in pony tails and has braces, that offends you?

                                                    I'd just echo The Legacy's post.
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                                                      • iwantchixx
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                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                        • 12860
                                                        #64
                                                        No different than your girls Jeff.

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                                                          • iwantchixx
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                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                            • 12860
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
                                                            I dont try to moralize, condem or push my personal views on others. I dont like it, I dont look..
                                                            Then what are you doing with this thread?

                                                            Grade "A" moron.

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                                                              • PerfectionGirls
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                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                • 4484
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by iwantchixx
                                                                Then what are you doing with this thread?

                                                                Grade "A" moron.
                                                                Dude, put that little sound bite back into its context. Read below.


                                                                "I agree to an extent, but all of what you used as examples are well within the limits of the law. While i do not care for gay content or the lifestyle I dont try to moralize, condem or push my personal views on others. I dont like it, I dont look. I see this as a different issue all together. Its not a moral issue for me at all. Ive pushed teen solo site girls since the day I started, all within the limits of the law and never dressing down a girl to look younger then she is. Making them look cute with a pony tail or something is one thing... making them look 12 or 13 is quite another. What I see here is a program using an illegal media in a legal fashion."

                                                                Tell me she does not look 12.
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                                                                  • Damian_Maxcash
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                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                    • 12745
                                                                    #67
                                                                    I dont like those sites either..... It leaves me with a creepy feeling

                                                                    However, I market some sites that a lot here wouldnt like as well..... I have to respect that

                                                                    If you are REALLY upset then do something about it..... I suspect you wont

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                                                                      • Dirty F
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                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                        • 59204
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Great, Jeff had underaged sites, caught shaving and now is attacking a perfectly fine, non shaving, 18+ site/webmaster.

                                                                        Hmm something is wrong in this story.

                                                                        Jeff, shut your hole....you make yourself look like a retard more and more with every reply you make.

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                                                                          • PerfectionGirls
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                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                            • 4484
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                            I dont like those sites either..... It leaves me with a creepy feeling

                                                                            However, I market some sites that a lot here wouldnt like as well..... I have to respect that

                                                                            If you are REALLY upset then do something about it..... I suspect you wont

                                                                            What could one do? Its legal. However, once upon a time, not that long ago, this industry would have drawn and quartered the producers of sites that shown a teen girl in this fashion. Times have changed I guess.
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                                                                              • iwantchixx
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                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                • 12860
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
                                                                                Dude, put that little sound bite back into its context. Read below.


                                                                                "I agree to an extent, but all of what you used as examples are well within the limits of the law. While i do not care for gay content or the lifestyle I dont try to moralize, condem or push my personal views on others. I dont like it, I dont look. I see this as a different issue all together. Its not a moral issue for me at all. Ive pushed teen solo site girls since the day I started, all within the limits of the law and never dressing down a girl to look younger then she is. Making them look cute with a pony tail or something is one thing... making them look 12 or 13 is quite another. What I see here is a program using an illegal media in a legal fashion."

                                                                                Tell me she does not look 12.

                                                                                You said you don't push your personal views unto others, yet that's what you are doing. Context is irrelavant in this statement of yours.

                                                                                Actually, she looks 16 to me. Ugly 16, but still 18 none the less. Some people just look young to begin with. I had a girlfriend who was 19 and looked 14. It just happens. There ARE sites that go too far with it, as MET did in the past, they went out of their way to make the girls look 12 and pre-pubescent. That's why nobody touched them until as of late when they got their act together.

                                                                                I understand your points about the whole matter and agree with you on many levels of it, but attacking teenrevenue is like attacking yourself man. The girls look just as young as some of the girls you've shot in the past. Why is it different for you and not OK for them?

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                                                                                  • PerfectionGirls
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                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                    • 4484
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Franck
                                                                                    Great, Jeff had underaged sites, caught shaving and now is attacking a perfectly fine, non shaving, 18+ site/webmaster.

                                                                                    Hmm something is wrong in this story.

                                                                                    Jeff, shut your hole....you make yourself look like a retard more and more with every reply you make.

                                                                                    Sure use what you think I did to justify the wrong doings of others.

                                                                                    I dont care if you think I look like a retard with every post or not. Im not here to make a buck or win yours or anyone else affection.

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                                                                                      • Dirty F
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                                                                                        • Jul 2001
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                                                                                        #72

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                                                                                          • fris
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                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                            • 55789
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by FreeHugeMovies
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                                                                                              • PerfectionGirls
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                                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                                • 4484
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                This is the model in the topanaga site. Clearly she is 18 or over.



                                                                                                Here she is here dressed down to look like a 12 year old for this site.




                                                                                                Please. In the top pick she looks her age. Please, please tell me that this was not staged to make the girl look 12.
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                                                                                                  • Chris Malais
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                                                                                                    • Jan 2005
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                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    How is it supporting the child porn industry? By your own opinion, it's taking the aim off of illegal children, and putting the main subject on legal adult females. You may not like it, but it's helping to put a halt to child porn.
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                                                                                                      • uno
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                                                                                                        • Dec 2002
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                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        You are a moron. That isn't the same girl. The top girl is the girl who played Topanga in Boy Meets World.
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                                                                                                          • uno
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                                                                                                            #77
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                                                                                                              • PerfectionGirls
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                                                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                • 4484
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Chris Malais
                                                                                                                How is it supporting the child porn industry? By your own opinion, it's taking the aim off of illegal children, and putting the main subject on legal adult females. You may not like it, but it's helping to put a halt to child porn.

                                                                                                                Yes, Im sure the Attorney General will see it that way also.
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                                                                                                                  • cherrylula
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                                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                    • 15969
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
                                                                                                                    Yes, you are right, but legal fantasys. Why would anyone feed an industry that expolits children?

                                                                                                                    What sickens my stomach here is that they are made to look very, very young as if 18 inst young enough. An eighteen year old teen is one thing. An 18 year old teen dressed down to look 12 is a different story all together.

                                                                                                                    Justify it all you want i guess.
                                                                                                                    This from a guy who used to run underage non nude sites too. Did you photograph the underage girls yourself?

                                                                                                                    Thanks for the link though, little april does great and I can only imagine those other legal over 18 girl sites must convert awesome.

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                                                                                                                      • PerfectionGirls
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                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                        • 4484
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Thanks for the link though, little april does great and I can only imagine those other legal over 18 girl sites must convert awesome.
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                                                                                                                          • Fletch XXX
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                                                                                                                            • Jan 2002
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                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            this coming from a guy who started a thread on this board when his non nude underage sites wentdown?

                                                                                                                            tell me this is a joke.

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                                                                                                                              • MandyBlake
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                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                i agree with you perfectiongirls.
                                                                                                                                they are more than likely 18+ years old, but the people running it are still selling a fantasy of a much younger girl.
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                                                                                                                                  • iwantchixx
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                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 12860
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Franck
                                                                                                                                    Great, Jeff had underaged sites, caught shaving and now is attacking a perfectly fine, non shaving, 18+ site/webmaster.

                                                                                                                                    Hmm something is wrong in this story.

                                                                                                                                    Jeff, shut your hole....you make yourself look like a retard more and more with every reply you make.
                                                                                                                                    hmm I totally forgot about his underage sites. Wow. He just out his foot in his mouth big time with this thread.

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                                                                                                                                      • ElvisManson
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                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 5476
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
                                                                                                                                        Yes, Im sure the Attorney General will see it that way also.
                                                                                                                                        Old 11-08-2002, 09:43 PM | reply #17
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                                                                                                                                        Ahh my bad.. This is the self-righteous, S.O.B room. Who?s the moderator? Jerry Falwell?

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                                                                                                                                          • TDF
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                                                                                                                                            • Mar 2002
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                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by uno
                                                                                                                                            You are a moron. That isn't the same girl. The top girl is the girl who played Topanga in Boy Meets World.



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                                                                                                                                              • SoloGirlsContent
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                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                • 5013
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                check out these sites...they look 18...or do they???
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                                                                                                                                                  • jawanda
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                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Uhh .. the girls don't look underage at all to me.

                                                                                                                                                    Like you said, they look like dolled up twenty somethings. And they're not even dolled up that well, hardly convincing at all.

                                                                                                                                                    I'd say many of the Lightspeed girls look younger than these.

                                                                                                                                                    You stoned or something man?

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                                                                                                                                                      • Trax
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                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by ElvisManson
                                                                                                                                                        Old 11-08-2002, 09:43 PM | reply #17
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                                                                                                                                                        Ahh my bad.. This is the self-righteous, S.O.B room. Who?s the moderator? Jerry Falwell?

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                                                                                                                                                          • Dirty F
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                                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                            • 59204
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by simonsyinister
                                                                                                                                                            check out these sites...they look 18...or do they???
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                                                                                                                                                            Oh shit, how fucking pathetic are you....
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                                                                                                                                                            You really are the most pathetic spamming fuck on this board.
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                                                                                                                                                              • eldominik
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                                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Nice teen site they have.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • MaDalton
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                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by uno
                                                                                                                                                                    You are a moron. That isn't the same girl. The top girl is the girl who played Topanga in Boy Meets World.

                                                                                                                                                                    i second that - he is a moron. and this is so fucking funny.
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                                                                                                                                                                      • swedguy
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                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                                                                                                                        this coming from a guy who started a thread on this board when his non nude underage sites wentdown?

                                                                                                                                                                        tell me this is a joke.
                                                                                                                                                                        I thought it was kind of amusing too

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                                                                                                                                                                          • PerfectionGirls
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            HAHAHAHAHA! Fucking Sheep!

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • The Heron
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                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Wait are you now working for teen revenue?
                                                                                                                                                                                    That would be very bad for them...

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • jawanda
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                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
                                                                                                                                                                                        HAHAHAHAHA! Fucking Sheep!

                                                                                                                                                                                        See sig bitches!

                                                                                                                                                                                        You misspelled the URL on the banner link in your sig dumbass ...

                                                                                                                                                                                        but nice fake drama, I like it!



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                                                                                                                                                                                          • swedguy
                                                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 7981
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
                                                                                                                                                                                            HAHAHAHAHA! Fucking Sheep!

                                                                                                                                                                                            See sig bitches!

                                                                                                                                                                                            Which backend script are you guys using?

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • DarkJedi
                                                                                                                                                                                                No Refunds Issued.
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 28301
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
                                                                                                                                                                                                HAHAHAHAHA! Fucking Sheep!

                                                                                                                                                                                                See sig bitches!


                                                                                                                                                                                                you are a complete waste of life

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • PerfectionGirls
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 4484
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by The Heron
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Wait are you now working for teen revenue?
                                                                                                                                                                                                    That would be very bad for them...
                                                                                                                                                                                                    No you fucking bug eyed tard! I dont work for them. Just going to push the FUCK out of their sites.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Now go away and have that eye thing looked at.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • MickeyG
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 4134
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by MickeyG
                                                                                                                                                                                                        this thread had to be some sort of publicity stunt.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        like I said earlier. Sad part is I was gonna signup and try em out until I found out you were involved.

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