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  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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    • Mar 2003
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    #1

    Regarding Jonesy...

    Ya can't trust em...

    I will tell you a deal that went down between us.


    I told em I need a sound track for a site I am building out. Terms were simple: "I can not pay you till the site is released" and that I would pay em 200.00 when the site is released, "if the sound loop was used". Pretty generous right?


    It is a solo girls site that will be released soon.

    In short...

    The sound track was not approved, no one liked it, I promoted the soundtrack even here on GFY.

    Now he runs around bad mouthing me in my threads since his lousy soundtrack did not get approved. The terms were pretty simple, I would be able to pay em when the site launches.

    Well quite simply..

    He wrote the tune it sucked, it wasnt used yet he runs around here bad mouthing me where he can thinking I owe em a lousy 200 fucken bucks...


    Should I give the bottom feeder 200.00 and pay for somthing that was never used?

    IMHO he is an extortionist the went beyond the means for good business.

    A: I told em the conditions for payment.
    B: I told em when he would be paid.


    Is it proper to pay someone even when they bad mouth you in threads just because a product was not used at all and the understanding was that payment would be performed upon the launch of a site?

    Lets see what you folks think.
  • candyflip
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    • Jul 2002
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    #2
    As a designer would you have taken work under those terms?

    Do the work, I'll pay it sometime in the future, if I decide to use it.

    Probably not.

    Spend you some brain.
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    • CaptainHowdy
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      • Dec 2004
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      #3
      Damm... ;(!

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      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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        #4
        Originally posted by candyflip
        As a designer would you have taken work under those terms?

        Do the work, I'll pay it sometime in the future, if I decide to use it.

        Probably not.
        Thats how a typical contest thread runs.

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        • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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          #5
          Jonesy...
          This industry is full of hustlers, ya wanna goto BLows over shit I know exactly how to deal with hustlers punk...


          Now go fuck yourself.

          Its a fucken lousy 200 you will never see.
          Its a lousy 200 Bucks.

          I tried to work it out with you and ya kept on the bullshit here in the boards.


          So...

          Deal with it.

          You suck and you are an extortionist.
          Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 05-18-2006, 05:10 PM.

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          • candyflip
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            #6
            Originally posted by AlienQ
            Thats how a typical contest thread runs.
            Would you have worked under those terms. Simple enough question, why not answer it.

            No where in your story did you mention it was a contest thread.

            Pay the guy. He did work you requested and you chose not to use it.

            Did you ask for any revisions?

            Spend you some brain.
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            • MikeVega
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              • Jul 2004
              • 12788

              #7
              sounds like he produced a product and you excepted it .... then months later decided you didn't want it ... i think he gave you a great deal and benefit of the doubt by producing and waiting to get paid .. i don't ever really recall him getting into any details about you fucking him in any way ... he did say he had an issue dealing with you ...

              did you use the music anywhere ...on any promos or vids that got posted or used anywhere ?


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              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                #8
                Originally posted by candyflip
                Would you have worked under those terms. Simple enough question, why not answer it.

                No where in your story did you mention it was a contest thread.

                Pay the guy. He did work you requested and you chose not to use it.

                Did you ask for any revisions?

                Fuck no...
                I never do anything up front without being paid and at least when I embark on contest I get the inside track and know the rules...

                He don't know the rules, he just enjoy's trying to take ya down on the sidelines.

                I gave em the conditions to when he would be paid.

                Pretty simple.
                However after all his little bullshit comments in various threads it's clear he can not handle conditions while performing half assed and wishes to only hit ya on threads with negative shit that does more damage than playing along and getting on...

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                • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                  #9
                  I ended up creating the sound track myself.

                  Seriously it sucked and could not be used.

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                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                    #10
                    NO answer's???

                    Fucken christ GFY is 100% useless...

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                    • The Truth Hurts
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                      #11
                      a: he should have told ya to get fucked for even suggesting those terms...but I guess if he accepted them, he's SOL.
                      b: post what he produced.
                      c: post what you produced.

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                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
                        a: he should have told ya to get fucked for even suggesting those terms...but I guess if he accepted them, he's SOL.
                        b: post what he produced.
                        c: post what you produced.
                        All that does it promote...

                        Thats pointless.

                        Besides I do not even have the file of his anymore.
                        If he posts it, I can post mine but seriously its pointless. Hell I even posted the sound track here on GFY with the soundtrack. Everyone thought the footage was, hot girl etc etc, but the sound was not right and no good.

                        Just pointing out that this asshole will do a little somthing, produce total shit regardless of the conditions, then work on ya for not paying to break anything ya goto say publicly. He is a bottom feeder.

                        He will move into your threads and talk shit even after lengthly discussions behind the scenes.

                        He got his last chance yesterday where he was like "Its cool, lets just move on, its all good, no big deal..."
                        Its not worth it at this point, I am merely pointing out my experience with the fucken moron.
                        Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 05-18-2006, 05:57 PM.

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                        • crockett
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                          • May 2003
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                          #13
                          Hey Alien I was thinking about using you to build me a paysite design.. However I can't pay you until the site makes me some money.. Oh and btw if I decided that I don't want to make a paysite anymore, or not use the design, then I don't want to have to pay you.

                          Let me know when you want to start..
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                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                            #14
                            I am tellin ya guys the soundtrack could have been writtin with acid pro or soundforge in 20 minutes...

                            Hardly even worth 200, that I was willing to pay when the site launched which was the original condition.

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                            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by crockett
                              Hey Alien I was thinking about using you to build me a paysite design.. However I can't pay you until the site makes me some money.. Oh and btw if I decided that I don't want to make a paysite anymore, or not use the design, then I don't want to have to pay you.

                              Let me know when you want to start..

                              Tell me I will be paid when the site launches then its a different story.

                              Thats assuming I was high on shrooms and produced total shit.

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                              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                #16
                                Oh and as long as it was cool that I talked shit about you in all your threads

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                                • candyflip
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by AlienQ
                                  Fuck no...
                                  I never do anything up front without being paid and at least when I embark on contest I get the inside track and know the rules...

                                  He don't know the rules, he just enjoy's trying to take ya down on the sidelines.

                                  I gave em the conditions to when he would be paid.

                                  Pretty simple.
                                  However after all his little bullshit comments in various threads it's clear he can not handle conditions while performing half assed and wishes to only hit ya on threads with negative shit that does more damage than playing along and getting on...
                                  You and me both, but as someone who's not a fan of contests it's funny you should take it that route yourself. I won't participate in them and I wouldn't hold one either.

                                  I'd just pay the guy and move on with it. It's not like that $200 is gonna break the bank. Look at it from a good karma perspective, pay it forward so to speak.

                                  Can you post the track?

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                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                    #18
                                    So Pay em just to shut the whinny bitch up?
                                    Na...
                                    Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 05-18-2006, 06:07 PM.

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                                    • Sly
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                                      #19
                                      The only thing I got out of this thread was you can't afford $200.
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                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Sly
                                        The only thing I got out of this thread was you can't afford $200.
                                        Yeah thats it, and it was already explained when he would be paid!

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                                        • Sly
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by AlienQ
                                          Yeah thats it, and it was already explained when he would be paid!
                                          You said "I can't pay until the site is ready." Why else would you delay the process and drag this whole thing out unless you didn't have the money? If you have the money, stop being an asshole and pay the guy, then never do business with him again. Its that simple. "I'll only pay if I like the work, but I want you to do it." That is complete bull shit and you know it.
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                                          • TDF
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Sly
                                            The only thing I got out of this thread was you can't afford $200.

                                            bingo.....
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                                            • TDF
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                                              #23
                                              alien loves digging his holes in this biz...but you have to admit,hs a consistant fuckup
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                                              • MikeVega
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                                                #24
                                                Not for nothing but you did use it and promoted product with it ...even gave him credit for it on the opening page ... I haven't gotten the full story from either side and I'm not taking sides based on anything other then the fact that if you used it ... you should pay for it ... that's it

                                                here is the thread you used it in to promote your content:
                                                http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ht=kayla+marie

                                                here is the VIDEO and I don't think the music is bad ... seems to fit fine
                                                >>>VIDEO HERE<<<

                                                If you didn't like it then you shouldn't have used it ...


                                                Mike Vega-ICQ:253868499-AIM:mikeydicevega

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                                                • Sly
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                                                  #25
                                                  I just read this thread closer. You admitted that you USED the file.

                                                  How many times did your mother smash your head with a brick as a child? Or maybe a better question is, did she ever stop?
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                                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                    #26
                                                    I demo'd it to the owner's and a couple folks here for opinions.
                                                    Sure, the sound track got exposure to a few folks that listened to it and proferred thier opinions. I admit that much.


                                                    Ya folks said the sound track sucked basically.

                                                    Ultimatly it was not used in the production.
                                                    But thats still not to say I wouldnt pay em...

                                                    I told em I would pay em when the site launched.

                                                    which it still has not launched technically.

                                                    So I assume ya folks are in favor of having a shit talker hit yer threads every time ya post? How about after talking behind the scenes and making sure things are awright and understood?

                                                    How about after discussions that things area wright and understood that the bullshit talk keeps happening?
                                                    I know this kinda shit might be to deep for you assholes...


                                                    Fuck that guy, I aint paying em

                                                    He is an extorionist.
                                                    Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 05-18-2006, 06:24 PM.

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                                                    • beemk
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                                                      #27
                                                      pay him you fucking broke ass scammer
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                                                      • dial
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                                                        #28
                                                        alien, you are in the wrong here man....seriously
                                                        boom chicka wah wah

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                                                        • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by beemk
                                                          pay him you fucking broke ass scammer




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                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by dial
                                                            alien, you are in the wrong here man....seriously
                                                            Shut up asshole...
                                                            You are biased and wouldnt know a fuck hole from a dog ass.

                                                            Just another troll.

                                                            You do not matter.

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                                                            • dial
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                                                              #31
                                                              oh wow...HOLD UP!

                                                              AlienQ and European Lee have the same business ethics

                                                              isn't this the EXACT same excuse that European Lee gave for not paying for his design????

                                                              HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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                                                              • dial
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                                                                #32
                                                                ALIENQ AND EUROPEAN LEE, SITTIN IN A TREE
                                                                boom chicka wah wah

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                                                                • dial
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  JUST IN CASE ANYONE MISSED WHAT I SAID, THIS IS THE EXACT SAME EXCUSE THAT EUROPEAN LEE GAVE FOR NOT PAYING HIS DESIGN BILL
                                                                  boom chicka wah wah

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                                                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by dial
                                                                    ALIENQ AND EUROPEAN LEE, SITTIN IN A TREE
                                                                    Be real with yourself for a second....

                                                                    Your opinion does not matter.
                                                                    Ya are a fake nic and troll...
                                                                    When ya really make shit that matters for folks to read perhaps then I will take ya more seriously.

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                                                                    • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      ALIENQ is a scammer

                                                                      Yeah...No wonder real webmasters do not post here anymore.

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                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Anyways...

                                                                        He wont be paid shit...

                                                                        Any of ya guys down for real biz hit me up anytime.

                                                                        Here's a pic I shot for the waste of your time

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                                                                        • dial
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                          Anyways...

                                                                          He wont be paid shit...

                                                                          Any of ya guys down for real biz hit me up anytime.

                                                                          Here's a pic I shot for the waste of your time

                                                                          nice blurry shot dude...was the ring really the item in that shot that needed to be focused on?
                                                                          boom chicka wah wah

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                                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by dial
                                                                            nice blurry shot dude...was the ring really the item in that shot that needed to be focused on?
                                                                            Yup!

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                                                                              • sinclair
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                I am tellin ya guys the soundtrack could have been writtin with acid pro or soundforge in 20 minutes...

                                                                                Hardly even worth 200, that I was willing to pay when the site launched which was the original condition.

                                                                                Shame on you for not doing you homework as to his quality before commissioning him to do work for you.

                                                                                Shame on him for agreeing to those terms (if in fact he did).

                                                                                You could at least give the guy a kill fee. It is the professional thing to do.

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                                                                                • candyflip
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  I heard you're actually using his clip on your site still.

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                                                                                  • Grapesoda
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    lets hear the track is my thought

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                                                                                    • sperbonzo
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      I have to say that I pay for work either upfront or as soon as completed. I hire people to do work based on their rep and past performance. If I'm not happy, I ask them for changes, or to submit another piece of work, BUT I STILL PAY THEM, BECAUSE THE WORK WAS DONE. If in the end, after getting resubmissions and changes done, I still don't like it, then I just chaulk it up to making a mistake and I don't use them again.

                                                                                      This is silly. You asked for music, you got it, you should pay the measly $200 for it. If you aren't happy, then ask him to make changes or submit another song track. If you aren't happy in the end, then don't use him again. Pretty simple, eh?
                                                                                      Last edited by sperbonzo; 05-19-2006, 08:41 AM.
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                                                                                      • sperbonzo
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        If the work was done, it was done. Everything else is just a matter of personal taste.
                                                                                        Last edited by sperbonzo; 05-19-2006, 08:42 AM.
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                                                                                        • jimthefiend
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                          The only thing I got out of this thread was you can't afford $200.
                                                                                          Yep, pretty much.

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                                                                                          • Sly
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            According to this thread: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=611488 I was right.

                                                                                            How does that old saying go? He who protests the most is the worst? Alien just got busted. Aww...
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                                                                                            • lazycash
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Jonesy even offered to settle for a measley $100 and Alienq still couldn't afford that. I don't believe the comment "if the sound loop was used" was ever agreed upon, sounds like made up after the fact bs. Anyone have a link to the original supposed "contest" thread that initiated the job?
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                                                                                              • Screaming
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                drama.. i think so..

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                                                                                                • Rodrigo-Ibills
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Mr. Alien if you are in need of any good employee I am very skilled. I was lighting guy for major porn studio before the Ibill job.

                                                                                                  By the way do you need TV?
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                                                                                                  • Juicy D. Links
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Rodrigo-Ibill
                                                                                                    Mr. Alien if you are in need of any good employee I am very skilled. I was lighting guy for major porn studio before the Ibill job.

                                                                                                    By the way do you need TV?

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