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02-16-2005, 04:15 PM

Okay, me and several people have just decided to begin work on several
open source projects that will be adult orientated. The software will be
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Which project should we begin working on first?

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We're currently recruiting web designers, graphic artists and developers.
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02-16-2005, 04:22 PM

Neither one, for obvious reasons.

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02-16-2005, 04:23 PM

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02-16-2005, 04:24 PM

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Neither one, for obvious reasons.

sickbeats, You are an idiot.

If you have ever worked with open-spouce or gnu like you said you do you know that the purpose of the software can never be for commercial use. Why would you make something for free so people make money of it.

Idiot.

While your at it, email me for a list of my tgps and send me all of your traffic. Traffic should be free too shouldnt it?

Oh and please host my sites without taking ANYTHING in return.

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02-16-2005, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered

Neither one, for obvious reasons.

I think all of us hard working webmasters deserve this. Plus I could really
use the work-experience on top of the traffic which would be generated
by these project(s). All income obtained would be from sponsers and/or
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02-16-2005, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by kaliboy2g

sickbeats, You are an idiot.

If you have ever worked with open-spouce or gnu like you said you do you know that the purpose of the software can never be for commercial use. Why would you make something for free so people make money of it.

Idiot.

While your at it, email me for a list of my tgps and send me all of your traffic. Traffic should be free too shouldnt it?

Oh and please host my sites without taking ANYTHING in return.

Someone understands.

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02-16-2005, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered

Someone understands.

Why are you complaining? Are you a webmaster? You would benifit
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02-16-2005, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by sickbeatz

Why are you complaining? Are you a webmaster? You would benifit
from this project and save money at the same time.

I am a webmaster who has the ability to purchase software that I choose to use. I am not so petty that I can't spend a few hundred bucks to get a site up and running. What I (and countless other webmasters) don't want to see is idiots who download some free software and start up a network of TGPs to compete with those of us who are already established.

The industry is becoming more and more newbie (and idiot) friendly. There are hundreds if not thousands of new "webmasters" coming into the business every month. Making a project such as this open source and completely free is a terrible idea. Why would anyone in their right mind give someone the tools needed to compete with them for free? Keep in mind that this is a business, not a hobby. Once you start to make some money doing this, you will understand.

I would have no objection to a new TGP or affiliate program but whatever you do, don't make it free and open source.

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02-16-2005, 04:45 PM

I don't see how free software will hurt? They still have no idea how to trade traffic, get traffic etc.

It's not as easy as building it and they come anymore.
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02-16-2005, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Armed & Hammered

I am a webmaster who has the ability to purchase software that I choose to use. I am not so petty that I can't spend a few hundred bucks to get a site up and running. What I (and countless other webmasters) don't want to see is idiots who download some free software and start up a network of TGPs to compete with those of us who are already established.

The industry is becoming more and more newbie (and idiot) friendly. There are hundreds if not thousands of new "webmasters" coming into the business every month. Making a project such as this open source and completely free is a terrible idea. Why would anyone in their right mind give someone the tools needed to compete with them for free? Keep in mind that this is a business, not a hobby. Once you start to make some money doing this, you will understand.

I would have no objection to a new TGP or affiliate program but whatever you do, don't make it free and open source.

Okay, I can totally understand where you are coming from. I believe
that we can see eye to eye now that you've brought this concern
to the table. The software can STILL be open source, however not
completely public. How about for one to be able to obtain any of
these projects - they would have to submit a link to their resource
or program they are currently working on -- so only approved
person(s) will get access to the software instead of any clueless
moron that doesn't know what they're doing?

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02-16-2005, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by 4Pics

I don't see how free software will hurt? They still have no idea how to trade traffic, get traffic etc.

It's not as easy as building it and they come anymore.

Exactly - the software is just a tool, and besides its not THAT easy to make money with TGPs, especially if you dont have the experience for the rest. I've been talking to newbies with fancy sites ready for launch and they say "what now?".
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02-16-2005, 05:02 PM

personally i'm here to make money not give away my hard work...
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02-16-2005, 05:08 PM

Under what license would it be released under?
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02-16-2005, 05:20 PM

I would agree with Kali and Armed. This industry nneds to be moving in the opposite direction. How many mainstream sites use free e-commerce scripts and products. The best ones use the most expensive and sophistiacted applications. It is what seperates you from them. As an example I was shopping for backends for my mainstream site and came across the one that many tier 1 competitors who I strive to be use. Well guess what. It was out of my bidget and for good reason. Once I work hard and get to the level where I can afford it then and only then should I deserve to be running the same software. Mind you this isn't a measly $400 per copy of a TGP script but over $400,000. Keep things expensive and you will only have real people invloved and not kids in their basements playing the game in between class.

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02-16-2005, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by 4Pics

I don't see how free software will hurt? They still have no idea how to trade traffic, get traffic etc.

It's not as easy as building it and they come anymore.

Its not that fucking hard to be an adult webmaster. Throw in free tools, hosting, content, galleries, thumbs, etc and everyone would do it.

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02-16-2005, 05:33 PM

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02-16-2005, 05:36 PM

tgp solution would be probably the first to start, as it's a smaller project, and you can tweak what you do by getting feedback quicker.

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02-16-2005, 05:38 PM

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02-16-2005, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by sickbeatz

Okay, me and several people have just decided to begin work on several
open source projects that will be adult orientated. The software will be
hosted on adultpornindustry.com -- first available demo will be distributed
upon completion of a working release candidate. After that, daily CVS
snap-shots will be available so your software will never be out of date!

Which project should we begin working on first?

The Open Source Affiliate Program
-- or
The Open Source TGP

We're currently recruiting web designers, graphic artists and developers.
You can apply by emailing [email protected]

make an open source trading script

there are so many uses for a trading script that could be implemented under and open source solution that could not be created under currently closed source versions.

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02-16-2005, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by kaliboy2g

sickbeats, You are an idiot.

If you have ever worked with open-spouce or gnu like you said you do you know that the purpose of the software can never be for commercial use. Why would you make something for free so people make money of it.

Idiot.

While your at it, email me for a list of my tgps and send me all of your traffic. Traffic should be free too shouldnt it?

Oh and please host my sites without taking ANYTHING in return.

actually using open source software to displace an established competitor is a very popular practise.

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02-16-2005, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by gideongallery

actually using open source software to displace an established competitor is a very popular practise.

So is spelling, but thats beyond the point.

It all depends on who is being misplaced.

PHP for vbulliten, good idea
FireFox for I.E, good idea

It is okay in these two examples becaue the end-users arent using the product for profit.

Open-source is for non commercial use.

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02-16-2005, 06:37 PM

OpenSource TGP application. That would be so great! Good luck guys

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02-17-2005, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by kaliboy2g

So is spelling, but thats beyond the point.

It all depends on who is being misplaced.

PHP for vbulliten, good idea
FireFox for I.E, good idea

It is okay in these two examples becaue the end-users arent using the product for profit.

Open-source is for non commercial use.

apache vs iis
linux vs windows

if you think open source is for non commercial use only you really don't understand the market

IBM invested a billion dollars in open source software, donating their patent portfolio because it created the maximum damage to their competitors with the minimum cost.

Hell they even sacrificed the AIX OS for linux on mainframes.

IBM makes billions of dollars generating comercial mods for their open source software.

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02-17-2005, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by shuki

How many mainstream sites use free e-commerce scripts...

1000's upon 1000's, many very successful.

For what it's worth I agree with A&H but even so thought I make the point.

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02-17-2005, 01:38 PM

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02-17-2005, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by shuki

I would agree with Kali and Armed. This industry nneds to be moving in the opposite direction. How many mainstream sites use free e-commerce scripts and products..

Bad example actualy, I know dozens of successful stores using free e-commerce scripts, ever heard about OsCommerce?
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02-17-2005, 01:41 PM

i think your best bet would be to charge a small fee for your applications and your work put into it. start with a tgp youll get more people involved with that i think.

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02-17-2005, 01:44 PM

I'll take the TGP software... and be one of the first to donate once the project is officially started.
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02-17-2005, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by kaliboy2g - If you have ever worked with open-spouce or gnu like you said you do you know that the purpose of the software can never be for commercial use.

you are an idiot

Originally Posted by Shuki - How many mainstream sites use free e-commerce scripts and products. The best ones use the most expensive and sophistiacted applications.

you are an even bigger idiot
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02-17-2005, 01:46 PM

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02-17-2005, 02:47 PM

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you are an idiot

you are an even bigger idiot

Show me one open source program that is made with the intention that the people using it will profit.

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02-17-2005, 02:51 PM

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02-17-2005, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by kaliboy2g

Show me one open source program that is made with the intention that the people using it will profit.

linux, mambo, typo3, et,c etc
virtually all open source software. do you think it is simply developed to waste time and amuze nerds? open source software is developed as a (often commercially) viable alternative. just because the software is free doesnt mean its not intended to be used for profit..comon now
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02-17-2005, 03:37 PM

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02-17-2005, 03:49 PM

I don't know about you guys, but I would not be comfortable using an open source program for my affiliate business. Within 3 days some russian hacker kid will have found a security hole and I would be out of business. Another problem would be that support for the software would not be available. Affiliate program software is such a big part of how we do things that I would never be without support.
I would not work with anyone if I found out they based their entire operation on some unsupported piece of software.

Don't get me wrong. I'm pro open source.. But for the right things. This is not one of them.
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02-17-2005, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by kaliboy2g

Show me one open source program that is made with the intention that the people using it will profit.

You've also already been given oscommerce as an example at least twice. Do you think all the online stores running that use it for fun?

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02-17-2005, 03:55 PM

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You can make some serious money with Open Source software. You can also have a much better program with open source software because you are now opening the doors for other programmers to help with the code rather than rely on 1 programmer.

There is flaws in ALL software. The flaws may not show their ugly heads for some time. But ALL software has flaws. The open source project is a good way to reduce these flaws.

As a tech and being part of the open source community I would welcome seeing open source software for this community.
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02-17-2005, 03:58 PM

BTW if you need a project manager for this project hit me up I'd be glad to step in and do this.
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02-17-2005, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by mortenb

I don't know about you guys, but I would not be comfortable using an open source program for my affiliate business. Within 3 days some russian hacker kid will have found a security hole and I would be out of business. Another problem would be that support for the software would not be available. Affiliate program software is such a big part of how we do things that I would never be without support.
I would not work with anyone if I found out they based their entire operation on some unsupported piece of software.

Don't get me wrong. I'm pro open source.. But for the right things. This is not one of them.

They do that in 2 days with your bought software.
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02-17-2005, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

They do that in 2 days with your bought software.

They might, but I doubt it. We would have heard more about it then.
They would have easier access when they have the source.. Nobody can do perfect code, but letting people have access to the source of such a critical system is not a good idea in my oppinion.
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02-17-2005, 04:15 PM

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They might, but I doubt it. We would have heard more about it then.
They would have easier access when they have the source.. Nobody can do perfect code, but letting people have access to the source of such a critical system is not a good idea in my oppinion.

There are two different kinds of hackers in the world.

One gets in and is happy with information. The other gets in and has to either profit monitarely or otherwise profit socially (deface)...

The ones that get in without you knowing, you will never know about. So long as they don't fuck with anything, the company who wrote the software will never mention it. Just tell you and update is available or auto update if that is your setup. Most porn hackers are a mixture of both. They get in, they get the password files, they get out and you never hear from them again. What you do hear from is the customers who are wondering why their account is blocked and who also don't appreciate it when you assume they must have traded their password with someone else.
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02-17-2005, 04:19 PM

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IBM makes billions of dollars generating comercial mods for their open source software.

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02-17-2005, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

There are two different kinds of hackers in the world.

One gets in and is happy with information. The other gets in and has to either profit monitarely or otherwise profit socially (deface)...

The ones that get in without you knowing, you will never know about. So long as they don't fuck with anything, the company who wrote the software will never mention it. Just tell you and update is available or auto update if that is your setup. Most porn hackers are a mixture of both. They get in, they get the password files, they get out and you never hear from them again. What you do hear from is the customers who are wondering why their account is blocked and who also don't appreciate it when you assume they must have traded their password with someone else.

Yes, but lets not get into a big hacker/cracker - whitehat/blackhat hacker discussion.

All I'm saying is that anyone choosing to use an open source application for their affiliate program would loose my business. And I would guess they would loose the business of most of the people who plan to stay in this business for a long time.

I'm all for the TGP application. Although I'm not into TGP's I can see how it could be a valuable learning tool for new webmasters wanting to get into the business without having to invest a lot of money.
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02-17-2005, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by mortenb

All I'm saying is that anyone choosing to use an open source application for their affiliate program would loose my business. And I would guess they would loose the business of most of the people who plan to stay in this business for a long time.

This is a valid point. Although i am very pro open source and i dont consider hackers any more of a problem on opensource software i would have to agree that webmasters would be less inclined to use a program running an opensource software. Why? because people are stupid, sheeplike creatures who are scared of things they dont understand. Therefore they would be less inclined to step into the world of open source because of the popular misgivings related to opensource.

great idea..go the tgp...mortenb is right..people wont trust opensource affilate software..they wont trust you to write it and they wont trust programs using it
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02-17-2005, 04:49 PM

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This is a valid point. Although i am very pro open source and i dont consider hackers any more of a problem on opensource software i would have to agree that webmasters would be less inclined to use a program running an opensource software. Why? because people are stupid, sheeplike creatures who are scared of things they dont understand. Therefore they would be less inclined to step into the world of open source because of the popular misgivings related to opensource.

That is not what I am saying.. Fuck it, I'm tired. I'm going to bed.

Btw. I understand the open source concept perfectly fine. I have worked on several open source projects over the years.
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02-17-2005, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by mortenb

I don't know about you guys, but I would not be comfortable using an open source program for my affiliate business. Within 3 days some russian hacker kid will have found a security hole and I would be out of business. Another problem would be that support for the software would not be available. Affiliate program software is such a big part of how we do things that I would never be without support.
I would not work with anyone if I found out they based their entire operation on some unsupported piece of software.

Don't get me wrong. I'm pro open source.. But for the right things. This is not one of them.

by your logic linux should be a hell of a lot less secure than windows but there are more security holes in windows than in linux.

Not only that but security holes get fixed faster because if you suddenly start to see a problem with your software you can have one of your developers fix the problem right away, instead of just reporting it to the company and waiting until their developers can get around to fixing the problem.

I am sure there will some people who will look at the open source affiliate program as a cheap way to start a program, but any company that who would be willing to pay 20- 35 K for a good affiliate program software would also be willing to spend like 5-10K haveing a qualified program review the source code of the application and make sure there are no bugs that could be exploited.

The key point is with an open source application people could write custom modules that will allow those affiliate to gain access to additional source of services.

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02-17-2005, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by gideongallery

I am sure there will some people who will look at the open source affiliate program as a cheap way to start a program, but any company that who would be willing to pay 20- 35 K for a good affiliate program software would also be willing to spend like 5-10K haveing a qualified program review the source code of the application and make sure there are no bugs that could be exploited.

The key point is with an open source application people could write custom modules that will allow those affiliate to gain access to additional source of services.

Reasons why I don't agree that open source is all that great, and that some of you poster's remarks are lame in here:
1. WINDOWS has more copies distributed than Linux
2. ASP.NET is used for business applications more than PHP
3. Microsoft Office is used for documents more than OpenOffice
4. SourceForges project count is up to 95,910, with the vast majority of them unfinished.

This industry is not cromprised of a fan-based ezine sites; it is comprised of businessmen who are treating this as a business to claim their share of the billion-dollar pie. Any company who would pay 20-35K for a good affiliate program wouldn't necessarily pay 5-10K for an addon to or reworking of an open source system. They want exactly what they're paying for. Otherwise, they'd be outsourcing to India.

If there were dozens of free softwares out there, the internet would get even more congested with *hopeless* newbs (not to be confused with people that can actually make it into the biz), which give this industry a bad rep -- it's not a business for them, they're willing to do stupid shit that makes the industry look bad. This is a business for me. Software development is what I do for a living. You come in here and offer a program for free, that I (and any other programmer on here) would offer for tens of thousands of dollars: expect to get flamed and harassed by the men and women who work hard behind the scenes to bring the end-PAYING-user some eye candy.

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02-18-2005, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by acbot

great idea..go the tgp...mortenb is right..people wont trust opensource affilate software..they wont trust you to write it and they wont trust programs using it

Because commercial closed-source affiliate software has never been cracked or been found to support shaving?

Well written code is secure regardless of the source being open or closed. Badly written code will be cracked regardless of the source being open or closed. Would you rather trust yourself to check if the code is well written or the assurance of some marketing shill?

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02-18-2005, 09:05 AM

notice no replies from sickbeatz

obviously didnt think it thru much did ya mate lol
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