That can relate to any program in general. Case n point Singup4cash. You dont think they spilled the beans on all their aff with the spam thingy to save some face?
Are they doing it for fun/vendetta and on boards bragging about it...?
You gonna narc out the people you know for the hell of it? Say so now.
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Serge, you are an idiot. I do not even have a Canadian bank account, or any account out of the US. Keep dreaming you drunk! You are desperate, old shell of yourself. Sad really.
BradShaw, don't be angry,
I thought you were gone as you promissed...nothing wrong with being ordinary out of the mill sleazy pornographer,
don't take offense
You get pissed when somebody mentions your family, yet you throw out a veiled threat regarding Brad's child. You are a lowlife. You always have been. The FBI has been on your ass for years.
I will be at the head of the line to give them information about you. In fact, reporters have already contacted me. The fun is just beginning.
Yes, your day is coming MR WINE TALK. Have some Napa Valley Bronco on me.
You get pissed when somebody mentions your family, yet you throw out a veiled threat regarding Brad's child. You are a lowlife. You always have been. The FBI has been on your ass for years.
I will be at the head of the line to give them information about you. In fact, reporters have already contacted me. The fun is just beginning.
Yes, your day is coming MR WINE TALK. Have some Napa Valley Bronco on me.
ohhh please get real...built what? Stupid High Risk Visa rules because they scammed people?
Theres a lot more to it that that. Think processors. without third party processors, none of this would exists.
Why do you think there are only one or two reputable ones left? Fraudulent billing practices start and end on the backend. The buck was passed way too many times, and Visa, MC, and Amex had to step in. There is a lot of history there, none of it involves people who sent or brokered traffic.
You send the hits, what they do with it is on them and their processors. There are lots of ways to make shit look like shinola enough to keep the hits coming in.
One can't take a short view of the whol;e situation and get the whole picture.
You get pissed when somebody mentions your family, yet you throw out a veiled threat regarding Brad's child. You are a lowlife. You always have been. The FBI has been on your ass for years.
I will be at the head of the line to give them information about you. In fact, reporters have already contacted me. The fun is just beginning.
Yes, your day is coming MR WINE TALK. Have some Napa Valley Bronco on me.
That wasn't a reporter. That was the guy trying to get the lot rent paid. He says you been ducking his calls...
Nah...you get a whole new can of worms when you open me up. Don't make quick assumptions.
I just like fucking with creepy old folks who have weird obsessions. Be sure to add my name to your board tracker now too. ;))
Any why would I play with myself when I could tape a picture of your face on my dogs back and fuck him in the ass while listening to Elvis songs and spreading yogurt on my nipples?
That last statement should give you some ammo anyway. Come up with a good story about me loving beasiality or something. The posters here will eat it up...
Bottom line is this, I challenge any of you haters to go ask ANY of the people you send traffic to, to show you the proof of there proper billing demand it go ahead, see what they tell you!!!
so read the fucking article and realize bradshaw is a piece of shit for trying to use inuendo instead of looking like an idiot !
cause if you read the article in full you will see that Serge was only mentioned by luke ford, and the only mention was that he supplied a lot of traffic!!! duh no shit isnt that what everyone would like to be able to do ? or have? is a lot of traffic?
does it say he got the traffic in any illegal way ? NO
Does it say he did anything ileagle ? NO
seriously you fucking morons, how or why would ANY COMPANY that was doing something illegal ( i.e. the guilty ones in the article ) Or ANY clean company worried about their business EVER give out their list of customers and show you how they bill them ?
I mean does it really take a friggin rocket scientist to know if you have customers and givce that info to your traffic guys that you become useless in the equation?
SO ONE MORE TIME HOW THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT SERGE OR ANYBODY ELSE ! to know what the fuck the people they send traffic to do with their billing practices?
sorry to beat you down with logic vs your inuendo again Brad but sometimes the truth just needs to be pointed out !!!
in fact brad, why not tell all your affiliates and anyone you get traffic from where your billing stands? can you show them tyo prove it to them or should they just take your word?
go ahead lobsterboy show the proof about how you bill ( not implying you do anything illegal) but how can we be sure with out proof?
so how could any other traffic seller be sure about any other company you weasel?
Got any domains to sell?
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Joesho, Im not on anyones side here , and i see valid points in both your post and in some of brads posts.
But ignorance of your business partners is not an excuse..
I think if you wash away the rhetoric your left with a very simple question/answer..
Lets put the legal aspects to the side for now as few of us are actual lawyers..
brad is labelling serge a criminal because of his association with the mob scam, and your saying he is "just a traffic broker" so theres nothing wrong with that..
I will start off with a few examples..
The recent hijackings of domains mostly lead to one company , a toolbar company based offshore that buys hits from hackers who steal domains and point the hits to their affiliate program. One could use the same argument that they are only traffic brokers, but i think everyone would agree they are scum.
Now lets take a nicer example..
Google adwords is ripe with fraud right now, they are just a traffic broker, same as serge and same as the above example , but the mere fact they publicly admit it and are working to stop it somehow makes it better ..
In reality the litmus test is rather simple..
If your a traffic broker , is it reasonable to assume you should know who is sending you traffic ?
Most affiliate programs run a range of..
Those who knowingly accept fraud
Those who pretend to combat fraud , but dont really care
Those who "dont ask dont tell "
Those who actively track and pursue fraud
As far as serge goes, he is obviously a smart business man. Do i think he knew about the fraud ?( i couldnt even guess about that ) but it just wouldnt be a very smart idea and serge doesnt strike me as stupid.
Brad, you're right - I have no connections. All I have is a few friends (and they are dwindling) that remember me from those days who will still give me a helping hand just because they are those kind of people (Till I rag on them enuf anyways).
Ever hear of the guy who starts at the bottom of the food chain and works his way up ? I'm at the bottom now I agree, and if all goes well hopefully I have an entry level position to get my feet planted back into the business. While working that job, I will be doing nothing but networking, socializing, and rebuilding those lost connections. If the entry level position doesn't pan out, I will go out about it a different way.
Brad, trust me you are NOT the only one with any business smarts from back in the day, and many people who had more smarts than me and you cmbined dissapeared for a multitude of reasons. So don't think because you were a pioneer of the industry and have been here ever since steadily that it makes you any more intelligent than those people. What really insulted me was that someone such as yourself really thinks they are so much better than someone who slipped out of the industry due to poor LIFE decisions not business decisions.
Brad, you got in at the right place, the right time, and were older than me so you had the partying out of your system... and were more apt to run a business at that point. That's the main difference. I was getting $40K a week dropped into my bank account after all expenses and partners were paid in full at the age of 19, I played my cards stupidly and made alot of mistakes.
It sure as hell does not mean I don't have the business sense you do.
The only smart thing Serge ever did was marry Lady Law. Now she can do all his legal grunt work for him.
Take that back....he gave up Oprano and discovered God and Wine. That would rank right along with marrying Gary Kremen's ex-gofer.
Serge is colorful, but he cannot be trusted. For those of you who are openly admiring this man, you are showing your true colors. Joesho is into abuse. Serge put him down so many times, even I felt sorry for him. Joe had no home. He went from board to board trying to be a big man. Then he met Gonzo, a thief and a liar. He met his blood brother. Now the two fat slobs can bond as they make fools of themselves each and every day they post.
What wouild the boards do without liars and thieves? They have nothing to lose, so they take sides of known criminals. It's like watching two old roosters in a ring fighting for some respect.
Joe, go to the local welfare store and pick up an old ratty furcoat like Gonzo. Write on the back...........JUST ANOTHER FAT NOBODY !!!!!
The only smart thing Serge ever did was marry Lady Law. Now she can do all his legal grunt work for him.
Take that back....he gave up Oprano and discovered God and Wine. That would rank right along with marrying Gary Kremen's ex-gofer.
Serge is colorful, but he cannot be trusted. For those of you who are openly admiring this man, you are showing your true colors. Joesho is into abuse. Serge put him down so many times, even I felt sorry for him. Joe had no home. He went from board to board trying to be a big man. Then he met Gonzo, a thief and a liar. He met his blood brother. Now the two fat slobs can bond as they make fools of themselves each and every day they post.
What wouild the boards do without liars and thieves? They have nothing to lose, so they take sides of known criminals. It's like watching two old roosters in a ring fighting for some respect.
Joe, go to the local welfare store and pick up an old ratty furcoat like Gonzo. Write on the back...........JUST ANOTHER FAT NOBODY !!!!!
Its early in the month for those meds to be running out.
Want me to send you a teeshirt too? From the looks of things youll be needing a 5x.
Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!
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I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
The only smart thing Serge ever did was marry Lady Law. Now she can do all his legal grunt work for him.
Take that back....he gave up Oprano and discovered God and Wine. That would rank right along with marrying Gary Kremen's ex-gofer.
Serge is colorful, but he cannot be trusted. For those of you who are openly admiring this man, you are showing your true colors. Joesho is into abuse. Serge put him down so many times, even I felt sorry for him. Joe had no home. He went from board to board trying to be a big man. Then he met Gonzo, a thief and a liar. He met his blood brother. Now the two fat slobs can bond as they make fools of themselves each and every day they post.
What wouild the boards do without liars and thieves? They have nothing to lose, so they take sides of known criminals. It's like watching two old roosters in a ring fighting for some respect.
Joe, go to the local welfare store and pick up an old ratty furcoat like Gonzo. Write on the back...........JUST ANOTHER FAT NOBODY !!!!!
Why don't you take some of your Sinatra records, light some candles, open some of Serge's wine, and be a good husband tonight. You are spending far too much time trying to be a hip know-it-all webmaster. Act your age, and spend your time making money for your family's security.
why would I play with myself when I could tape a picture of your face on my dogs back and fuck him in the ass while listening to Elvis songs and spreading yogurt on my nipples?
Karma...threats to people I dont know is something I make habit to never ever do:
Over a year ago, i made the mistake to post on Oprano some fun pics of Cynthia from AEBN, Jay from Object Cube and the smashbucks crew by the pool in Phoenix. Serge then ripped the photos and called me and the people in the pic names "who the fuck are these people". I have never ever since posted on that board ever.
Then it from that to him asking me "if my head was bullet proof" nice huh? He pretty much told me he would shoot me...
Mike, thanks ... Plan on sticking around longer this time and haggling all these GFY'ers time to time if I can keep up with the surfer posts here and weed them out!!
So many other boards, this one is about alot of bulllshit - I know of 4 or 5 good boards with 75% REAL business talk I will spend more of my time at. This board is abouot 10% business talk, at best. And it surely doesn't cover the serious issues or questions..
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