Serge Birbrair mentioned in MSNBC article helping to scam customers out of millions

:food-smil

American dream? Maybe your dream, but not mine.

Made $10-20 million in 2-3 years of working with Crescent on a scam. I call that a nightmare.

What has he done since? Oprano failed, everything he has touched failed. He made $ on his scam, and thats it. We should remove him from the tribe for lack of real business sense.

I am worried about your webmasters....

And thats the only difference why he is mentioned and others are not.

Only if Serge was still around to see this: he would be so proud.

"IVe dealt with and made money from TONS of companies that have been or are in FTC trouble." - Boneprone

No wonder I like you...
We got alot in common. I think most of us have performed for many companies over the years. Frankly I never gave a shit. Just pay me and tell me what I need to know and nothing else.

Its not my business on how companies decide to run themselves whether its into the ground or through the roof.

Serge, I sleep well at night. Best move you have made may be hiring a lawyer. Does she have criminal defense experience?

so would be Shaw Senior, The Real Estate Tycoon, Brad's father, if Brad was mentioned by anybody anywhere...
but....soon, VERY soon...

I gotta run and send a wire to juicy, for his legal defense.

Just as I thought LOL Lies and inuendo once again the staple of bradshaw....
would you really trust a liar like brad to do any business with ?
Maybe he can turn on you too that seems to be his modus operendi.

Serge has no lawyers....the last one was fired for over charging the will papers...

How is your pre-nupt? Still holding after the baby was born?

Exactly man.. Thats exactly what I would always think..
But in the back of my mind I always knew what they were doin may not have been Kosher...

I mean if you've dealt with this shit, you also know first hand the money was VERY lucrutitve.. For 2 months it could be huge! Then for months 3-5 they would use the excuse "check is in the mail" only to find out later they were shut down way back in month 2 and we arent getting paid dick.

I mean up until now I always thought we were the vicums.. I mean that was a lot of lost money for us when they would yank us around like that for our traffic.

But now, after the fact and seeing the big picture, its the surfers and the consumer who were really ripped off, and we were unknowninly contrubuting to this. In many cases, we kinda knew something was not right, but took the dont ask dont tell approach..

That is up until they ripped us off of $$ too.

But the government doesnt care about the $$ we lost.. They are coming after the $$ the Consumers lost... Something we contributed to.

You can run but you can't hide...

http://cotac.com/serge/

c'mon, BradShaw, don't run, we are you friends...

Why oh why wasn't I smart enought to get sig placement on the first page?

wow people are amazing

great post..

i think the moral of the story is

avoid this
" In many cases, we kinda knew something was not right, but took the dont ask dont tell approach.."

Yeah I agree SmokeyTheBear...

This day and age we really need to be more aware and at least make an effort to try and read more into what people are doing with our traffic after we sell it to them..

Like Brad said Im a small fish, but even as a small fish I dont want to in anyway jepordize myself or assist these fraud bastards in any scam bullshit becasue I failed to look a bit deeper in what exactly they did with my traffic..

Its so difficult to detect what exactly happens to our traffic after we sell it away, but if there is the slighest doubt now days, I say question it and move on if need be..

There are plenty of places to send traffic to now days and make money with, so risking it with some shady group really isnt worth the risk..

Moral of the story with me and others like me is, be more aware of who you do biz with.. After reading this story, you never know who's making money off you on the other end.. It just could be the Gambino Family..

Not Boneprone Family Approved.

Actually I shoot up some heroin, smoke a little crack, and make fun of his squeaky voice.

I am back, bank was fast. They remembered me from the wire I sent to Juicy the other day.

There is one thing to be learned from this thread. Brad Shaw doesn't get seriously riled up on boards, he mostly sits back and laughs and puts a stick in here and there. The mere mention of Serge Oprano however, seriously tweaks the boys nipples. I like reading through some of the old Serge/Brad piss matches. Very entertaining reading. When you got nothing to do some day, do a little search.

Serge MADE Brad. Before pissing with Serge, Brad was just some fat kid that everyone abused on the boards. Not much has changed, he has just managed to buy a few more friends. People have such short memories.

Just spoke to the guy who wrote the MSNBC article. He is planning on doing a follow up, I pointed him in the right boca direction.

Nobody made me. I made myself through hard work and wise business decisions. If Serge made me, he could have broken me......... Which of course, he could never do.... nor could levy.

This is probably the most entertaining thread of the year.

Damn, some names from the past coming up here.
Newman and I hung with Lasrado and Zulu back in 99 in Vegas. It was funny as hell looking back because these guys were jacking a ton of traffic.
Then we had dinner with Ibill that night, my how things have changed in the last 6 years.
I thought Lasrado got totally out of the game, I remember seeing his wedding pics and his real estate stuff he was working on, I guess not though.
Mike Zulu showed Newman and I some sick traffic skimming software that he had developed back then and they seriousely had millions of hits a day coming into them.
This thread is some good reading.

Can't believe anyone would utter this attitude publicly. Amazing that you don't care to know you associate yourself with.

Where did Serge go?

Serge, are you off packing boxes?

What you wanna grill your clients?

You want to know everything about the company who is involved what where and shit? Please get lost...

A: Like anyone would share any info about how they make money.
B: So many companies! What the fuck its not easy picking em all apart and even if you did ya wouldnt know anymore than ya did before.
C: Its not good to question potential clients and come accross as Nosey and intrusive and yes even a liability of trade secrets.
D: Confidentiality plays a part in any biz PERIOD.

You sir are a complete tard...

Hell some people say Microsoft is good peeps others call em criminal's.

MOST All of you are running operating systems and use software made by a company that has been investigated for bad practices and fined billions as well...

Throw Bill Gates in the Slammer? HAahhah!
Sure...

If you cannot appreciate the difference between your example here and your previous statement where you intimate that you would rather stick your head in the sand when you know your client is running an illegal operation as long as they pay you the $, than you sir are the complete tard.

Brad, seriously with me just trying to pop my head back in the industry I don't need to be ruffling any feathers man but there is a difference between the type of pissing back then and this man. Take a step back and look at what you are doing.

You are trying to tear down a visionary, one that is up there with the likes of Webfather man. If it wasn't for Serge, WebPower NEVER would of had their first open webmaster affiliate program to all people who wanted to participate and I would have never got a start in this business. You know the whole story and why they opened that program - Serge and Al Hadhazy had a disagreement so Al decided to go on his own. He lost hundreds of thousands of hits over night that Serge was getting from THE BIGGEST PLAYERS in the game man.

If you are stating what Serge did should get him locked up you are also going up against RB, Ken Lawson, and so many others the names are countless that sent him traffic man. Again, I don't need any enemies just getting back into this business but you need to take a step back and look at what you are doing to create drama for publicity man.

I'm sure it WOULD have happened eventually but ALMOST EVERY ONE OF YOU HERE have about a 25% chance you would be making money right now if it wasn't for Serge - That's the bottom line Brad.

BTW, from what I hear Oprano was let go for I wouldn't say it was really a losing venture for a year or two of spending time posting on boards mate

Ryan L.

I have never known any of my clients to run an illegal operation.

Even if they did I wouldnt know. Cuz I still do not ask even to this day and do not care to know.
This policy has served me very well. I am never a liability, I am never in the know.
But I will tell you this...

There is shit out there that you dont want to know anyways and if you did know you wouldnt want to know.
That I know through experience in not knowing.

On another Note...

Visa charges upwards of 30% annual fee's on credit cards sometimes fucken higher!
Thats the biggest racket of all.

But we all use em...

Interesting read, the most amusing part as I see it, is all the self righteous Hypocrates coming forth to spew their bullshit

"RB, Ken Lawson, and so many others the names are countless that sent him traffic man."

They have bragged on message boards about the tens of millions they made sending to the Crescent scam?

Ryan, if you think that the reason I am a business success is because of Serge, you should go back and open up that bar.

There is a reason that I am where I am, and you are where you are. It has nothing to do with Serge. It has to do with business smarts, and hard work.

Luke Ford as a source to a mainstream news organization?

Dan Rather, line one...

This thread is like an old Ynot reunion

He's certainly not. Smart guy

Boneprone so will said.. but in one for you post you are talking about what ppl are doing width the traffic we are sendt..... I have to say if you think to much over all there is going around you will end up with a heartattack true I do like to do biz with I know and there by trust... but I cant know them all

yea no shit..

the year is young

Its amazing isn't it...and the worse is that it will end up beeing much less than 10y...

Mafia guys who made 100s of millions of dollars got 10 years and that guy who was spamming got 9 years Something seriously fucked up there.

makes you think something's a little fucked up there.
Mafia guys get deals though... they give up all the info on what they did and don't mention names and they get reduced sentences... not to mention prison isn't so bad for they are leaders and the guys inside always follow solid leaders...

Did I ever say they have bragged about it, or even insinuate such a statement ? I don't think so Brad, try re-reading my message. And did I ever say directly the reason you are in business still is because of Serge? No I didn't, what I said is Serge opened the doorway for affiliates and was the father of the click through program - like it or not Brad, it's the turth !!

Would it of happened eventually ? Sure it would of. But both me and you know DAMN well being in the right place at the right time was ALOT of how you became successfull when the WWW really was the 'Wild Wild West'.

After you being a DICK today me when I was trying to calmly state an opinion without coming down hard on you or your past Brad, you can kindly go fuck yourself. You apparently are the arrogant asshole people tell me you are. When did we EVER have a problem since 1996 until now Brad? And what does that tell you about how you are carrying yourself?

I state my 'opinion' on a subject, along with some facts, and you have to degrade some poor choices I made in my life which I will pay for years to come to make yourself look better. That not only shows you care about little else in this world but yourself, but it shows you will degrade ANYONE if you have ample opportunity. These are NOT good characteristics of a businessman Brad.

By the way thanks for the reference that i have no intelligence when it comes to business Brad, give me a year and we will see if you are still saying the same thing. I have talked to the people who I felt were an important part of the community from back in the days when we were all really a family the last couple weeks. The odd thing is, ALOT of them have stuck together man - why aren't you along side them any more? Why are they all helpful and you are arrogant? Why are they all encouraging me to get back into the industry and you are pointing out all the poor choices I made in my life?

Do you feel better about yourself now Brad?

You Brad, thrive on trying to make other people feel like shit about themselves because you still don't feel good about yourself waking up every day in the mirror. The way you just handled the reply to the post I made, tells me alot about you and the type of businessman you are. I wouldn't do business with you if you offered me $10,000 to sit on a curb for an hour and I was about to go bankrupt without the money man. Jesus, you have REALLY changed Brad! More than anyone I have talked to that I knew from the earlier days, most people are in fact pretty much the same...

P.S. Serge FAR from needs me helping him fight his battles, I was putting my opinion in the air about the whole subject and how I felt you handled it and you decide to launch a personal attack on me. I am done with this thread, you left a sour ass taste in my mouth Brad. Not that I couldn't out argue your ass till the sun burnt out - it isn't worth my time though.

Ryan

Ryan, bookmark this thread in a year.

All BS aside, biz is tough, and you have been gone too long. Biz is all about roots at this point. You have none. Just being honest. I would not quit your day job.

"you have REALLY changed Brad!"

I have always been an ass. If I am one thing, I am consistent. I was even an ass when I was poor.

rip......

Fuck this, the read needs to hit 150 now.

Roots Rock and Reggae.

150 Guido's in the slammer.