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  • MarkTiarra
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2002
    • 3833

    #1

    Paysite Tip - Which Video Formats?

    Well guys, after a few solid months of monitoring numbers on several projects for member retention I have found that some extra hard work on your videos really pays off...

    After some tests monitoring sites offering videos in various formats and various combinations of formats, a number of permutations were done and the combination that yielded the best customer retention was as follows:

    Offer three sizes of videos: Full size "Broadband", Full Size "Modem User", and "Modem User" Segments. There is a fourth that helped real recently (see below) too.

    - Broadband full size version of vid (very high bitrate like 1500) @ at 640 (or more for the Hi-Def vids).

    Offer this in WMV for download and as a Flash embedded video (the buffering is SMOKING fast with a Flash vid... I can get a 1/2 gig file to buffer and play on my cable in 2 secs or less.

    - Modem User full size version of vid (bitrate lower like 800) @ around 320.

    Offering this in WMV only works fine.

    - Modem Clips.

    Same as Modem full size but use a program like WMV Splitter to cut them into 1.5 or 2mb segments.

    And finally the kicker that really made a nice boost to results:

    - IPOD Download.

    Rip your Modem version to MP4 so people can play it on their Ipod.

    I imagine having all these formats listed on the tours would help conversions too but I haven't gathered data on that yet. For any of you who have been in the paysite game long, you know how much money just 5% better retention can give you so this was a nice test to run.

    Some notes:

    WMV vs. MPEG wasn't all that different but WMV did edge it out. We didn't see any significant plus when offering both.

    Embedding flash into pages as the sample video used to be rather in question because a low % of non-flashusing systems but having it with a link to D/L the WMV sample on tours is now showing the best results (see www.tastygina.com).

    We had some good returns using DIVX and XVID too but it was inconsistent. Seemed to do well on some sites and not others so I say to stick with the above where we saw no bad returns.

    Hope ya'll find it usefull. If anyone else is willing to take part in similar type tests, please contact me. It'll get you some free work and help everyone in return.

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  • MaDalton
    I am Amazing Content!
    • Feb 2004
    • 39861

    #2
    that's cool - we just encoded our whole library of more than 400 clips to WMV at 1500 kbit/s at 640x480

    too bad we missed in Phoenix btw
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    • MarkTiarra
      Confirmed User
      • Aug 2002
      • 3833

      #3
      Originally posted by MaDalton
      that's cool - we just encoded our whole library of more than 400 clips to WMV at 1500 kbit/s at 640x480

      too bad we missed in Phoenix btw
      Yeah sorry man.

      I forgot to mention that Hi-DEF seems to be making a difference. There is always an argument about that and how Hi-DEF doesn't make a big diff on a computer screen and the files are big, etc... But results don't lie, so regardles of your own perception and logic telling you what's best... it's the PERCEIVED value in a surfer's head that makes the sale and Hi-Def seems to be a plus. Not enough data to be sure yet but early indications are good.

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      • King Adam
        Confirmed User
        • Jul 2003
        • 5408

        #4
        Great information. A couple questions.

        What about the use of QuickTime files for MAC users?

        What program do you use to encode? Media Cleaner?

        And can you provide some links to the encoder you use and the WMV Splitter?

        Thanks again Mark ... very good post.

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        • MaDalton
          I am Amazing Content!
          • Feb 2004
          • 39861

          #5
          Originally posted by King Adam
          Great information. A couple questions.

          What about the use of QuickTime files for MAC users?

          What program do you use to encode? Media Cleaner?

          And can you provide some links to the encoder you use and the WMV Splitter?

          Thanks again Mark ... very good post.
          i jump right in on this question with my very own recommondation: Autodesk Cleaner XL - awesome program for nearly any video format
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          • MarkTiarra
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2002
            • 3833

            #6
            Cleaner XL is great.

            I also use Sorenson Squeeze (http://www.sorensonmedia.com/).

            I saw no no measurable increase offering .mov files the few times we had data on it. Most mac users can see other formats since they are so prevelant.

            For splitting WMV files: http://www.boilsoft.com/

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            • Stephen
              Consigliere
              • Feb 2003
              • 1771

              #7
              Nice Post Mark

              My wife's experience backs this up. On her video pages, she started offering the short clips we made for MGP galleries as "highlight clips for dial-up users" in addition to the full length, 720x480 (or 640x480) vids, and had a positive response from users.

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              • MarkTiarra
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2002
                • 3833

                #8
                Originally posted by Stephen
                Nice Post Mark

                My wife's experience backs this up. On her video pages, she started offering the short clips we made for MGP galleries as "highlight clips for dial-up users" in addition to the full length, 720x480 (or 640x480) vids, and had a positive response from users.

                Cool. =] I've had various arguments from other webmasters as to why this data should be wrong in their view but at the end of the day, the numbers don't lie. We all have our personal preferences and we all have theories about surfer psychology but the only all inclusive truth is the one the results show.

                That's the whole basis for how I do my designs and offer my guarantee. I never let my own opinion get in the way of what works. =] Now getting my clients to be open like that is whole other skill!

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                • MandyBlake
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                  • Nov 2002
                  • 17761

                  #9
                  we use high and low bandwidth wmv and ipod mp4 files
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                  • King Adam
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 5408

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MarkTiarra
                    Cleaner XL is great.

                    I also use Sorenson Squeeze (http://www.sorensonmedia.com/).

                    I saw no no measurable increase offering .mov files the few times we had data on it. Most mac users can see other formats since they are so prevelant.

                    For splitting WMV files: http://www.boilsoft.com/
                    Thanks Mark again. This might be one of the best biz threads I've seen in awile.

                    Why do I feel like I know you. Are you in SD? I used to work for Busty-Amateurs.com back in the day. Also counsins to D$ and KB. For some reason, I think we've met.

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                    • Morgan
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • May 2002
                      • 10520

                      #11
                      Originally posted by King Adam
                      Great information. A couple questions.

                      What about the use of QuickTime files for MAC users?

                      What program do you use to encode? Media Cleaner?

                      And can you provide some links to the encoder you use and the WMV Splitter?

                      Thanks again Mark ... very good post.
                      dont bother with QT, mac users can view WMV just fine.

                      CleanerXL, hands down.

                      wmv/asf/mpeg splitter is an awesome splitter program
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                      • Tabitha's Toybox
                        Confirmed User
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 107

                        #12
                        we have been using, WMV-HI, WMV-LO, MPEG-HI and IPOD-HI for ages now

                        4 different formats, and each format is in a full downloadable version and also broken into segments

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                        • DutchTeenCash
                          I like Dutch Girls
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 21684

                          #13
                          boilsoft splitter works like a charm true

                          theres a nonfree mac divx too btw, we dont do quicktime, but im lookin into a prg that plays divx on macs - free, imho you cant require members to buy a 25 bucks codec

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                          • MetaMan
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                            • Jan 2003
                            • 28682

                            #14
                            Mark, GREAT and informative posts by you lately,

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                            • DutchTeenCash
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                              • Feb 2003
                              • 21684

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Tabitha's Toybox
                              we have been using, WMV-HI, WMV-LO, MPEG-HI and IPOD-HI for ages now

                              4 different formats, and each format is in a full downloadable version and also broken into segments
                              whats the max size you offer for segments?

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                              • Luc Lonely
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                                • Feb 2006
                                • 499

                                #16
                                useful thread
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                                • Pete-KT
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                                  • Oct 2004
                                  • 51532

                                  #17
                                  Very nice thread Mark

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                                  • vod
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jan 2006
                                    • 3510

                                    #18
                                    Encoding will always be an issue...

                                    what media formats will be around in the future? HD DLP DVD. etc..

                                    we encode over 1,000 video's a month in windows and real media formats. we work with over 750 studios and have over 26,000 videos.

                                    I recommend that if your going to encode your own then charge per minute billing PPV style ;-) DRM.

                                    We encode the videos and stream them on our servers in Windows Media and Real Player. we can encode your movies and give you 15 mins free to offer customers to see your exclusive or non-exclusive content.

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                                    • SGS
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                                      • Dec 2002
                                      • 5176

                                      #19
                                      Awsome thread Mark and we agree 100% with your points.
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                                      • Tabitha's Toybox
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Apr 2006
                                        • 107

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by thinkx
                                        whats the max size you offer for segments?
                                        max size? doin't think I have ever paid attention

                                        some of the hi clips of full movies are upwards of 800-900mb...that is for archived cam shows that are 60 minutes

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                                        • MarkTiarra
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                                          • Aug 2002
                                          • 3833

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Tabitha's Toybox
                                          max size? doin't think I have ever paid attention

                                          some of the hi clips of full movies are upwards of 800-900mb...that is for archived cam shows that are 60 minutes
                                          I think maybe he meant for the cut up smaller segments like for Modem Users? If that's it I suggest no more than 2mb. 1.5 - 2mb works great. So if you have say:

                                          Broadband full WMV movie = 300mb
                                          Modem Full WMV = 80mb for that usually.
                                          Then you have 40 2mb clips they can download as "chunks". Sounds like a lot but guys on dialup appreciate it.

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                                          • MarkTiarra
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Aug 2002
                                            • 3833

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by MetaMan
                                            Mark, GREAT and informative posts by you lately,

                                            Thanks. I try to spread the love. Balances out the karma for all the people I am choking out getting ready for this tournement. =]

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                                            • Barefootsies
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                                              • Feb 2005
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                                              #23
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                                              • Scott McD
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                                                • Nov 2002
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Luc Lonely
                                                useful thread
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                                                • chase
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                                                  #25
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                                                  • SGS
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                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                    • 5176

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                    Cleaner XL is an AWESOME program for any number of reasons, and well worth the money.

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                                                    • ThumbLord

                                                      #27
                                                      please do not make serious threads here ever again, shame on you !

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                                                      • Web Lass
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Luc Lonely
                                                        useful thread
                                                        Mark has a habit of doing that......
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                                                        • MarkTiarra
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                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                          • 3833

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by King Adam
                                                          Thanks Mark again. This might be one of the best biz threads I've seen in awile.

                                                          Why do I feel like I know you. Are you in SD? I used to work for Busty-Amateurs.com back in the day. Also counsins to D$ and KB. For some reason, I think we've met.
                                                          Maybe at a trade show? I haven't been to SD yet. I've been in this biz forever though so maybe you just recognize my name?

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                                                          • MarkTiarra
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                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                            • 3833

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by ThumbLord
                                                            please do not make serious threads here ever again, shame on you !
                                                            I am so banned!

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                                                            • FJIMedia
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                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                              • 37

                                                              #31
                                                              Mark, great thread. Thanks for all the info.

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                                                              • sfera
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                                                                • Aug 2005
                                                                • 8597

                                                                #32
                                                                this is the post of the month thanks man, was curious about this

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                                                                • Nasty D
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                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                  • 2563

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Great post, interesting shiz!


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                                                                  • ladida
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Nov 2005
                                                                    • 2179

                                                                    #34
                                                                    2 megs for dialup is too low. I was on dialup for majority of my internet life, and when i saw 2 meg chunks i wanted to tare my head apart. You can't really get anything done in 2 meg clip :P, so you have to download several of them anyway.
                                                                    5 megs is something i always looked for, Up to 10 megs was barable. Above that for chunks is too much. Also, 5 megs on dialup doesn't really take that much to download, and you can get a general feel of the movie if you choose the right segments. At least that's how i did it before.

                                                                    Another thing lacking in today's paysites i believe is the High definition video. 500 megs + for todays broadband is virtually nothing.

                                                                    Another thing that is bad for customers = DRM. Damn they hate that.
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                                                                    • shermo

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Very good results. It's nice to see a biz thread on here where people are contributing!

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