SEO Tip: Host Crowding?

Thanks. I'm sure it'll be new for someone.

great article baddog. im surprised how many webmasters aren't aware of this already

Very curious what Google is planning to do now that they're an accredited registrar. I doubt they'll be selling domains to end users, so what exactly are they planning to do with all that data... interesting huh
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I doubt that too. I think in the article TDavid mention they said they weren't planning on selling domains..that they just wanted the information.

But if they did, would you buy from them and give them that much data?

EPIC is coming.....watch out NY Times!

hmm, they will hunt spammers down easily.

And what is considered a spammer? I mean, most big networks know the "how-to" on making excellent high converting sites. Is it better to have the listing show newbie websites and maybe 1 or 2 good ones?

How far do they go to limit you in your results? Does it really make for better results? Does it make for better Adword results? Are they doing it for the surfer or for themselves?

Baddog is my new mentor.

That just saved me a whole lot of work.

I've been reading a lot of your articles lately.

All credit goes to goodgirl on the Adult SEO Blog

You can read my ramblings at baddog's bytes

I do not believe that Multiple Class C's are that difficult to get. We host several customers that have requested and demonstrated a need for this. I find it hard to believe that many hosts don't have access to multiple Class C's.

I was talking about your blog. Good stuff.

That may be... but it's good to know that we need them.

Why would the company, which just reported click-advertising sales of more than $1 billion in the most recent quarter, compete in a relatively low-margin business with Network Solutions, Yahoo, GoDaddy and others? Would it use its new registrar status to snap up expired domains and show ads to wayward surfers? Is this a move toward Google world domination?

"In a few years you'll be driving your Google to the Google to buy some Google for your Google," read one posting on Slashdot, an online technology forum.

Eileen Rodriguez, a Google spokeswoman, hardly quelled the speculation by explaining that the whole thing was really a learning opportunity for the company. Google "has become a domain name registrar to learn more about the Internet's domain name system," she said recently in an e-mail message. QUOTE:
"While we have no plans to register domains at this time, we believe this information can help us increase the quality of our search results."
Rodriguez would not say how having registrar status might help Google improve search results. But Bret Fausett, who publishes Lextext.com, a Web log following the domain name industry, and who first disclosed the news that Google had become a registrar, said Google could improve the quality of search results by getting better access to the list of expiring domain names--a list available only to registrars.

When a domain expires and changes hands, Fausett said, Google can now more easily find, scan and index the new site, so it does not mistakenly point searchers to a site with irrelevant content, or place advertisers on sites with content that does not match their products or services.

That alone could profoundly affect the domain name market, which has rebounded partly because of another Google service, AdSense. Through AdSense, Google pays publishers to display text ads related to a site's content. Speculators often buy the expiring domains of even marginally popular Web sites and replace the site's content. But because the practice diminishes the usefulness of Google's search engine, the company has long sought ways to curb it.

Google's continuing refinement of its search technology underscores the intensifying competition in that market, which has carried Internet advertising back to life in recent years. MSN, Yahoo and others have seen Google parlay popular search technology into a dominant business by selling text ads to marketers whenever consumers search for words related to a business.

Among Internet users, Google remains the favorite search engine, with a 35 percent share of the market, according to comScore Networks, an Internet research firm. But that lead has been threatened by the ascendancy of Yahoo and MSN from Microsoft.

Simply selling domains is not going to swell Google's bottom line. "Domain name sales have really become a not-for-profit business," said Rich Miller, an analyst with Netcraft, an Internet consultancy in Britain. Companies that sell domain names now also typically sell more lucrative services, like hosting and Web site creation, to help businesses use the domains they have bought.

Bob Parsons, the chief executive of GoDaddy, argues that Google would have to profoundly change its business philosophy to succeed in Web hosting.

"Try to call Google and actually talk to somebody," he said. "It's not their forte. Now, they could acquire that, but at the moment it's a problem I don't have to deal with, so I'm not thinking about it. If they do, we'll go to work." But Web hosting does allow Google the opportunity to gain new customers and sell them other services. "There are lots of different ways they can use it in their business," said Miller. "Our first thought was that they might be doing something with Blogger or Gmail."

Blogger, Google's free Web log hosting service, assigns what is known as a subdomain to users. So instead of Blogger users having their own domain name (say, www.nameofblog.com), they are assigned the Web address nameofblog.blogspot.com. A more easily remembered name could attract more customers, analysts said, and could also be easier to find in a search because search engines often have difficulty turning up subdomains.

Google could also offer users the ability to quickly publish Web sites with Blogger technology, and team that service with a Gmail account and a matching domain name that Google could host. That has been the trend among domain name business in recent years, Miller said.

Until about two years ago, domain name registrars like Network Solutions and Register.com acquired domains from registries for about $6, and sold them to customers for $35 annually. While those companies still charge those fees, they have been challenged in recent years by companies like GoDaddy, which sells Web names for $4 annually, and Yahoo, which currently offers single domain orders for $5 annually.

These companies have increasingly relied on their hosting and Web site building services to increase revenues, particularly from millions of small-business owners. Yahoo, for instance, sells services ranging from a one-page Web site for $10 a year to a more comprehensive electronic commerce site for $300 a month.

According to Rich Riley, Yahoo's vice president and general manager for small business services, the company has "many hundreds of thousands of paying customers" for its Web hosting services, and market growth has accelerated since it revamped the service in August and offered less expensive services.

Among other things, Yahoo offers paying customers toll-free customer support--something also offered by competitors, who have grown accustomed to holding the hands of small-business owners. At first glance, such a labor-intensive business would not easily fit the business approach of Google, which has managed to generate billions in advertising dollars using a self-service approach with no phone support.

"Is it possible Google may jump into the hosting and domain name business?" asked Parsons, of GoDaddy. "Maybe. But the income they'd get from doing that is nickels compared to what they get from being the premier search company."

this is a new york times article though... I didn't do the interview

Great article

Always a catch, isn't there?

Really?

Thank you, glad you are enjoying them.

Multiple c-class IPs are difficult to get without justification, just a FYI,

Thanks for article!

good article I'm sure it will help some people

wish I could say that it was new info to me.. o wait, no I don't

You consider a spammer somebody that makes hubs with 0 info, lots of FPA's but no real content and so on...

You have to respect baddog. Every post provides rich information, and that blog is kick ass, thanks!

We knew that. That is why we have gone out of our way to get the hook up

Well, out of 23,196 I am sure there has been 6 or 7 with some nonsense thrown in

Glad you are enjoying the blogs.

In case you don't "get it" - talk about your conspiracy theories.

Thanks

Nice read!!!!!!!!!!

Wait a second, didn't anyone notice that he never explains what the point of Google's i.p. limits are.

It's so you don't buy hundreds of domains and cross link them to try and cheat their system.

The solution to a good rank is not to buy multiple networks unless all your link trades are you own domains.

The trick is to go out and find good link trades OR make some good content so people with link to your site because it's interesting.

Buying multiple i.p.'s is just another way to cheat Google and like all cheats it's short term an d a waste of time. So yeah if you want to get to page 12 for a couple months good luck.

But if you want to really work on a good rank long term and make real conversions from search engines then take the time and do it right.

Amazed how many people here actually buying this crap.

Maybe show us a high listing from this cheat, that has been there for more then two months.

Number 1, goodgirl is a she, not a he.

Number 2, it is not cheating just because we happen to know how to best utilize the system. Do lawyers cheat because they know the law, and how to use it to their advantage?

Why don't you go talk about something you have a fucking clue about, because it is apparent SEO is not your forte.

As a follow up: many "networks" had many sites way before Google even started.

Why should they suffer for having more then one domain. Many networks promote the same niche, because they know it well enough to sell it.

Why should they lose rankings because they are good at what they do?

We are not talking small businesses, we are talking large ones that started years ago.

Let me guess, you are getting hammered by clients that are asking for multiple IP's on different nameservers, and you can't provide it, so you are afraid you are going to lose business?

So sorry.

I personally find baddog's bytes....very well done...I wish I could talk goodgirl into writing one for Kblogger.com, too...but somehow, I think her hands are pretty full with her ongoing projects.

I guess I'll have to content myself by reading her adultsem.com

Chaze, are you cheating by using hyphens in your domain name?

What makes everyone think that google doesn't filter by more then class c's? Since they know a host is allocated certain class C blocks they'd know they are all Servermatrix for example.

Also, just having domains elsewhere now won't do you alot of good since they now have whois information that needs to be different too.

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Bad dog, I appreciate the info you are giving and yes putting hundreds of link trades on one i.p. will get you banned from Google.

But really do you think running two class c's will help your ranking? Lets get real, cmon my man I have been doing this too long to see this type of gibberish be public.

And for the record we have three class threes and putting customer on any one of them is the same work.

It's just a giggle to hear customers ask for a dedicated i.p. because they hear gibberish on a forum about how it will help them. We do it and have thousands of i.p. not being used, but we know that what really matters and most customers figure it out quickly, that a dedicated is nothing compared to how you really get a good ranking.

Bottom line, do it right and and you might has something decent after 6 months of link trades. Do it wrong and start all over after six months of hard work and lost money from spreading your sites all over multiple hosts.

If anything I am posting this because I have SEO customers who where banned from trying trivial cheats that they read on a forums.

There is a point not to link trade too many links on one i.p. but to put websites all over the web is pointless when you can just link trade save hundreds of dollars and not risk getting banned. (important point)

What matters is to link trades with websites that have a good ranking on the page that links back to you.

Next make sure you website is optimized so when you do get seen through links, Google knows how to list you.

Next keep doing more link trades as mentioned above.

There is not trick or hidden secret, just work, do this and you ranking will last.

Don't be mad my man, I am just trying to help.

Kblogger and adulsem rock ;)

google has the whois information and filters using it.

For domains that I own (that I have accurate whois info on) show up high as country specific for New Zealand, the only thing that indicates this domain is in NZ is the whois information.

I have had MANY domains on a single ip before, I have had them all banned except for domains I've sold (whois data has changed) but the buyer hasn't moved the domain yet. Found this when my traffic went to a trickle and looked up the domains still filtering through traffic.

Hey BadDog, let's trade Blog links. My blog is http://justtraffic.blogspot.com

You will understand if I have trouble believing this, I am sure.

Would be willing to if you can make a couple modifications . . . trying to contact you on ICQ . . . mine is 16075497

Hey BadDog, email me the modifications you have in mind at info At webmasterlabor DOT com I'd love to get a link trade going since we both cater to webmasters looking for traffic.

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