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If you use NameCheap or enom read this......

02-07-2005, 05:09 PM

I made a post yesterday about a NameCheap registered domain being withdrawn, they gave no notification and no reason.

It turns out that NameCheap is just an Enom reseller..... and I received this a few hours ago.

"We received several spam complaints concerning this domain name. In accordance with our zero tolerance spam policy, the domain has been disabled and will remain so as to prevent further abuse. We are not in position to re-enable the domain, thus empowering the offender to continue the abusive behavior. Our goal is to be 100% spam free, and strides are being taken in order to attain this goal. We feel that our new policy will benefit all eNom customers, as well as all internet users.

Regards,

eNom, Inc."

I do some spam but not email spam and not with THIS domain.

I have received NO notification about a change in policy from Enom or NameCheap, has anyone else? Let me know if you have.

THis is the same game that GoDaddy have been playing and all of you need to watch this carefully.

I have asked them to send copies of the alledged email spam with headers and am waiting to hear, I will let you know.
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02-07-2005, 05:12 PM

Oh uh. Time to change registrars for a lot of people.
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02-07-2005, 05:13 PM

you just found that out.
Most all domain registers are enom resellers unless they have the ICANN approved logo on their site

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02-07-2005, 05:20 PM

Man that sucks.

I won't be using them anymore.

I've heard a lot of great things about:
http://www.natnames.com/
http://www.directnic.com/

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02-07-2005, 05:22 PM

Can the Domain pimps give any advice about this?
DomBuyer? Taboo?

Where do you recommend purchasing domains for adult use?

Can't your competitors just e-mail your registrar and say you've been spamming when you HAVE NOT? Just to destroy you and your site for a few days/week? For a 100k/day TGP that would be suicide
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02-07-2005, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by kaliboy2g

you just found that out.
Most all domain registers are enom resellers unless they have the ICANN approved logo on their site

I always assumed they are ICANN approved.

It seems to me they are acting as Judge, Jury and Executioner in this and are not looking at any facts.

Want to fuck someone over? Just send a spam complaint to Enom and they are gone!

Also if they change policy shouldnt current customers be informed?
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02-07-2005, 05:35 PM

Both NameCheap and RegisterFly resell for eNom on most levels. NameCheap was also dealing with OpenSRS as well, registerfly is a direct registrar of .TV I believe.

Regardless; I like both eNom (direct) and Moniker, myself.

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02-07-2005, 05:43 PM

These idiots are getting more pathetic by the day. They'll shut your domain after one complain, without even bodering to investigate? Is that all it takes?
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02-07-2005, 05:45 PM

called them?

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02-07-2005, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by sacX

called them?

Not yet

Im waiting to see the email and headers..... I will give it a few hours

I will call NameCheap as well, I have a feeling that they will get pissed off with this new Enom policy.... They have a good rep and have built the business on word of mouth to a large extent, and wont want to fuck it up now
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02-07-2005, 06:07 PM

enom is not doing this for ethical reasons. they couldn't care less as long they make their money. it's pressure from above.
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02-07-2005, 08:51 PM

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02-07-2005, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by TheMob

enom is not doing this for ethical reasons. they couldn't care less as long they make their money. it's pressure from above.

Care to explain who's pressuring eNom?

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02-07-2005, 08:59 PM

Interesting. I believe it is not the place of a domain registrar to enforce any kind of spam or abuse policy, except in extreme cases of illegal activity such as CP, etc...

Namecheap and godaddy are both on my "Registrars to avoid list".

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02-07-2005, 09:01 PM

I thought that Namecheap was above this shit. FUCK!

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02-07-2005, 09:20 PM

my suggestion is register dot com
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02-08-2005, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by pornguy

I thought that Namecheap was above this shit. FUCK!

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02-08-2005, 12:38 AM

wow that's shitty

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02-08-2005, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by damian2001

Not yet

Im waiting to see the email and headers..... I will give it a few hours

I will call NameCheap as well, I have a feeling that they will get pissed off with this new Enom policy.... They have a good rep and have built the business on word of mouth to a large extent, and wont want to fuck it up now

I may be able to help you out.

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02-08-2005, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by pornguy

I thought that Namecheap was above this shit. FUCK!

yeah, this shit is fucked up....
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02-08-2005, 01:45 AM

http://www.enom.com/terms/agreement.asp

SERVICE(S) PROVIDED AT WILL AND TERMINATION OF SERVICE(S): We and your Primary Service Provider may reject your domain name registration application or elect to discontinue providing Service(s) to you for any reason within 30 days of a Service initiation or a Service renewal. Outside of this period, we and your Primary Service Provider may terminate or suspend the Service(s) at any time for cause, which, without limitation, includes registration of prohibited domain name(s), abuse of the Services, payment irregularities, serious allegations of illegal conduct, or if your use of the Services involves us in a violation of any Internet Service Provider's ("ISP's") acceptable use policies, including the transmission of unsolicited bulk email. If we have grounds to terminate or suspend Service(s) to one domain name or in relation to other Service(s) provided through your account, we may terminate or suspend all Service(s) provided through your account, including Service(s) to other domain names. No fee refund will be made when there is a suspension or termination of Service(s) for cause. At any time and for any reason, we may terminate the Services upon 30 day notice, which notice will be considered received by you five days after it is transmitted via mail or email to the WHOIS contact information provided in association with your domain name registration. Following notice of termination other than for cause, you must transfer your domain name or risk that we may delete your domain name or suspend or modify Services to it. If we terminate Services for a reason other than cause, we will attempt to refund your fees. You further acknowledge and agree that your registration of a domain name is subject to suspension, cancellation or transfer by any ICANN procedure, by any registrar or registry administrator procedures approved by an ICANN-adopted policy, to correct mistakes by us, another registrar or the registry administrator in administering the domain name or for the resolution of disputes concerning the domain name.
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02-08-2005, 01:53 AM

Having a policy where anyone with a grudge can lodge a spam
complaint and have your site shut-down is ridiculous!
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02-08-2005, 04:17 AM

I wouldn't use anyone but domainnamesystems for two good reasons

1. as I just mentioned in another 'hijacked domain' thread, they have one of only 10 people in the world that are certified computer security forensics working for them.

2. the ceo is an ex pornster and knows how important domain security is to business.

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02-08-2005, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by vicki

I wouldn't use anyone but domainnamesystems for two good reasons

1. as I just mentioned in another 'hijacked domain' thread, they have one of only 10 people in the world that are certified computer security forensics working for them.

2. the ceo is an ex pornster and knows how important domain security is to business.

Interesting....

I'll research them before using them.

Their homepage is very bad.
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02-08-2005, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by TheMob

enom is not doing this for ethical reasons. they couldn't care less as long they make their money. it's pressure from above.

this is correct..

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02-08-2005, 06:19 AM

Moniker.com will take care of you

Hey Folks,

I was forwarded this thread by a few Moniker Customers that saw it. As many of your know, Moniker is one of the only registrars dedicated to the Adult and high competition industry as well as mainstream. We attend the majority of the Adult shows and focus on the very highest security, service at the best value in terms of price. We take care of WRS, PeCash, TeN, UltSearch, Netster, TRFCN, and many others.

Do yourselves a favor and do not have your valuable inventories with resellers or you will get screwed. They do not control terms and conditions and your names can be shut down without notice and even removed. Namescheap, Registerfly, domainnamesystems, are all resellers. Godaddy has been shutting down names without notice as well because they are trying to clean up before they go public - quite ironic if you saw their superbowl ad.

In any case, just email me at [email protected] and we will assist you with your domains. We provide legal notices, filter complaints, provide warnings prior to taking actions, totally protect from domain theft, and provide ICANN compliant whois privacy services.

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02-08-2005, 07:04 AM

another reason for me to get ICANN-accredited and set up my own registrar.

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02-08-2005, 07:06 AM

im sure spamhaus is the one applying the pressure. "Drop the domains or end up on our blacklist". Thats what godaddy claimed before revoking 40 domains from me.

Monkier how are you guys with email spam compliants will you shut down my domain?
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02-08-2005, 07:16 AM

Class Act Monte

We are one of the largest registrars on the face of the earth, and exceed your numbers (yours are public, mine aren't)

While we are not Icann accredited directly, and I make no bones about it, we are one of the largest with Tucows. When was the last time Tucows did anything without notification? We stay with them for a variety of reasons, least of which is we have some clout in the matter.

We use them for the stability of our clients. They ARE a public company, and I know the CEO personally, as well as the entire staff which we have both grown together over the years. We have a great rapport together, and our business models mesh nicely. Their policies are such that they will not pretend to police the internet (other than correctness of registrant information), and in many cases we have special arrangements with them. We handle the spam complaints directly (and yes, have been SpamHaus blacklisted because of it). I will not begin to police the internet, and will not allow our suppliers to begin that practice either. We have been with them since they began (so we have been around as long as them).

eNom has always been crap from day one. I have a long list of reasons, which I won't go into it here, except to say, you may remember DROA (another eNom reseller at one point).

and Monte, our client roster (whose privacy I respect and won't post publicly), is among the who's who in the adult world, and there is a reason they are with us, and not you. I'll let them come forth directly if they so chose. They know why they deal with us, fast courteous responsive service from 2 locations (US and Canada), and I wont post their names on message boards to further my financial cause.

and finally we do have some accreditations, we just chose not to brown nose to Icann directly, for the most part I still view them as an illegal entity. MOST accredited registrars have less than 50,000 names in their portfolios, and you certainly are not among the big boys. Hell many resellers, even DirectNic which has been around almost as long as us, kicks the shit out of your numbers.(lol.. there's a plug for you Mike).

It would appear though that we have one thing in common, my email inbox was filled by our clients showing me this thread.

and yes, my main web page is crap, the goodies are inside

and thank you Vicki for that post. Yes, our Director of Technology is one of the VERY FEW CERTIFIED computer forensic (NCSF) specialists in the world. Its not widely advertised, but I guess it is now...lol

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02-08-2005, 07:31 AM

Monte vs Gord

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02-08-2005, 07:37 AM

hey goRd

I just saw your postcount you NOOB roflmao

*I can't believe you actually posted on the BOARD!* lol
sabout time I say

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02-08-2005, 07:39 AM

Fuck i just transfered important domains from godaddy to namecheap yesterday

Anyone else got their shit yanked because of complaints?

Spam link here
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02-08-2005, 07:41 AM

Just an FYI, shutting down domains for spam is an internal policy not an ICANN policy.

Enom has some new management in place so that could be where this is coming from.

In most cases the only time we as domain registrars are required to do anything with shutting down a domain is if it has invalid WHOIS information. Technically, I don't have to shut down phising sites or anything. Unless I get a request from some government agency.

If I receive a spam complaint, my policy is simple, I check my own email to see if I have received a spam advertising that same domain. If so, I put the domain on hold, end of story. I receive close to about 4000 emails a day, with about 90% of them being spam. So I have a nice inventory of spam to check against.

So the only "pressure from above" that I can think of that Enom would be getting is from their new management or their bandwidth provider (if they are hosting DNS).

Just my 2.5 cents.

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02-08-2005, 07:41 AM

One registrar trash talking another doesn't look very good.
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02-08-2005, 07:41 AM

lmao taboo

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02-08-2005, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by vicki

I wouldn't use anyone but domainnamesystems for two good reasons

1. as I just mentioned in another 'hijacked domain' thread, they have one of only 10 people in the world that are certified computer security forensics working for them.

2. the ceo is an ex pornster and knows how important domain security is to business.

I have tons of domains with them, and have never had a problem. Well worth the price!
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02-08-2005, 07:48 AM

I swear by Directnic, been with them for 4 years now without a single problem. Its well worth the extra $
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02-08-2005, 07:50 AM

Vicki .. stop messing with me ..lol

Taboo .. lol

Donny ..

you are absolutely correct in your assertion. Its an internal policy, period. Icann makes no demands of its registrars to police content, or the use of a domain name. Thats for the FTC and other agencies.

Hey, its post #2 .. lol
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02-08-2005, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by donsimon

If I receive a spam complaint, my policy is simple, I check my own email to see if I have received a spam advertising that same domain. If so, I put the domain on hold, end of story.

what does "ON HOLD" mean to you? are there ways for owner to dispute? reclaim? re-instate? transfer out? is their a 30-day notification window?
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02-08-2005, 08:03 AM

someone somewhere said - I'm not that rich to buy cheap things.

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02-08-2005, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by Taboo

what does "ON HOLD" mean to you? are there ways for owner to dispute? reclaim? re-instate? transfer out? is their a 30-day notification window?

Registrar-hold was originally created by NSI to say that a domain still exists, but it shouldn't work. Basically it's just not published in the zone file.

Each registrar uses registrar-hold for different reasons. When a domain expires, we put the domain on registrar-hold, but if the registrant renews the domain it's off of hold and resolving in 5 minutes (in theory 5 minutes). If somebody spams or whatever, we can put a domain on registrar-hold so the domain doesn't work anymore.

That pretty much explains registrar-hold, it's a registry level feature, not a registrar level.

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02-08-2005, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by donsimon

Registrar-hold was originally created by NSI to say that a domain still exists, but it shouldn't work. Basically it's just not published in the zone file.

Each registrar uses registrar-hold for different reasons. When a domain expires, we put the domain on registrar-hold, but if the registrant renews the domain it's off of hold and resolving in 5 minutes (in theory 5 minutes). If somebody spams or whatever, we can put a domain on registrar-hold so the domain doesn't work anymore.

That pretty much explains registrar-hold, it's a registry level feature, not a registrar level.

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ok, but one more time:

are there ways for owner to dispute? reclaim? re-instate? transfer out? is their a 30-day notification window?

?

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02-08-2005, 08:51 AM

Taboo, Who would you use if you were to purchase a domain for adult use?
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02-08-2005, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by jazzll

Taboo, Who would you use if you were to purchase a domain for adult use?

I've used many registrars for this with no problem... even godaddy (though some people here hate them). One major factor for me is customer support and GD has it 24 hours a day via telephone. yes you heard it right. LOL. yeah, they may laugh when we discuss an adult domain but they always tell me they've seen worse or better. One rep even told me she loves porn and wants me to email her when I launch that domain.

The most important thing is to make contact with your registrar, talk to them, let them know who you are and treat the reps/managers with respect so that when you really need their help, they are there for you.

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02-08-2005, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by Taboo

ok, but one more time:

are there ways for owner to dispute? reclaim? re-instate? transfer out? is their a 30-day notification window?

?

thanks...

It depends on what it is. If it's invalid WHOIS in our case yes. Some registrars delete domains because of invalid WHOIS, but we don't, we just lock them down.

But it all depends on what the situation is.

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02-08-2005, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Taboo

I've used many registrars for this with no problem... even godaddy (though some people here hate them). One major factor for me is customer support and GD has it 24 hours a day via telephone. yes you heard it right. LOL. yeah, they may laugh when we discuss an adult domain but they always tell me they've seen worse or better. One rep even told me she loves porn and wants me to email her when I launch that domain.

The most important thing is to make contact with your registrar, talk to them, let them know who you are and treat the reps/managers with respect so that when you really need their help, they are there for you.

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so instead of moving my domains to another registar, sucking up to namecheap employees is the only other way to save my ass in the future when they decide to block my domains. Damn!
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02-08-2005, 09:46 AM

Damn that suck big time, I have some domains in my enom account.. times to transfert them all !

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02-08-2005, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by nico-t

so instead of moving my domains to another registar, sucking up to namecheap employees is the only other way to save my ass in the future when they decide to block my domains. Damn!

sucking up? I didn't say to buy them gifts or kiss their ass. I said that you should treat them with respect, call them and ask questions BEFORE you have problems, so they know that you exist. LOL. and try to get a dedicated account manager / rep.

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02-08-2005, 10:40 AM

Gord - I certainly was not bashing you or domainnamesystems. Vicki stated that she used the registrar - domainnamesystems and others think they are using ICANN Accredited Registrars when they are not - they are using resellers.

Being a previous reseller for many registrars, I know for a fact that there are challenges serving customers and abiding by a registrars rules that you sell for when your methodologies may be different.

I know that you provide a great service for many on this forum as we do so please do not take my message the wrong way. As a matter of fact, you should probably be working more with us in the near future as we offer a lot of similar products and services.

In any case, as a general rule for everyone - be careful using resellers that you do not have personal relationships with.

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02-08-2005, 10:58 AM

BTW, we manage more than 1.3M domains so if all of our domains were shown from all registrars we run I guess we would be ranked as #9 in terms of size among 450+ registrars. Just want to make sure you have the right numbers for comparison purposes....which really is not the issue or point here.

In any case, let's work together to help everyone else here having issues.

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