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  • Xenophage
    Registered User
    • Oct 2001
    • 12122

    #1

    How does CAMS.COM pay $70 PPS ?

    All these last 5 months of payouts, People think oh this is a scam or how can he do that there i no way that anyone can pay out that kinda money !

    Well thats true ! I cant pay out $70 PPS and make money in fact I loose a lot of money paying out $70 PPS. I spent over 250,000 last month in extra payouts alone than I normally do. This eats into profit margin bigtime. I am doing these insaine promotions in hopes that more people will give us a try and stick with us for a long time to come. So far so good we have had 6 months of record sales back to back!

    In the coming months we are going to keep spending that $250,000 extra ad money on ad buys on tgps and other key sites. So you will start to see many many more cams.com Banners and links and galleries all over the top 30 or so tgps.

    Also our new video software has helped boost up sales by 20% in the last 2 months, this means 20% more money for you on the same ammount of traffic.

    If you have traffic and want to give something else a try for change give me a shot at your biz and converting your traffic.

    Also there has been some discussion of late about cookies, here is my take on them and how we handle them at streamray.

    1. We do URL and cookie tracking. To give you maximum sales.

    2. If a user creates a free account that account is stored in the database for life so if he comes back 5 years from now and logs in and buys time you get paid !

    3. All co branded sites get 100% of sales as the sales are credited to the url reguardless of cookie. So on this system there is no slop at all, no exit consoles no traffic leaks and no cookies to expire or fuck up 100% of all traffic is paid to you on that url.

    4. If a surfer bookmarks a url on our system it has the ref id in it so when they return you get sales for that as well.

    5. In light of the current things brought up about cookies we will once again review our process, and adjust things to be as fair as possible for all of our webmasters to make th most $$ possible from us.


    Lars
  • Jer
    God is Brazilian
    • Feb 2001
    • 10601

    #2
    C'mon guys, sign up and eat his profit margin even more!

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    • Digipimp
      BP4L OT DL
      • Mar 2003
      • 13481

      #3
      Good shit man, can you clarify something for me. You're saying $70 PPS so that's the surfer signing up for free, and then you get $70 on their first purchase right, not $70 just on the free signup right?

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      • Xenophage
        Registered User
        • Oct 2001
        • 12122

        #4
        Originally posted by Digipimp
        Good shit man, can you clarify something for me. You're saying $70 PPS so that's the surfer signing up for free, and then you get $70 on their first purchase right, not $70 just on the free signup right?
        On cams.com this month its on the first deposit of money they have to put in $20 for you to get paid out the $70

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        • Digipimp
          BP4L OT DL
          • Mar 2003
          • 13481

          #5
          Originally posted by LegendaryLars
          On cams.com this month its on the first deposit of money they have to put in $20 for you to get paid out the $70
          That's what I thought I was just clarifying and bumping. Thanks bro, good shit!

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          • MyNameIsEmily
            Confirmed User
            • Jan 2005
            • 887

            #6
            Originally posted by LegendaryLars
            Sales pitch.
            So you're telling us that you spent money to make money?!?!

            OMFG, what a concept, lolzie!

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            • MyNameIsEmily
              Confirmed User
              • Jan 2005
              • 887

              #7
              oh, and I have a couple questions...

              The '20% commision forever' is the plan to sign up to, right?

              And are these girls really live cam girls?

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              • SleazyDream
                I'm here for SPORT
                • Jul 2001
                • 41470

                #8
                lars rocks
                This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                Now read without the word dog.

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                • baddog
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Apr 2001
                  • 107089

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SleazyDream
                  lars rocks

                  indeed

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                  • d00t
                    Confirmed User
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 3766

                    #10
                    I love the program lars and it does well for me, but I have 1 question...

                    I see from the stats that EVERY customer has had a $75 "load".
                    Correct me if I am wrong -if you get 75 bucks from every person, isnt this an instant profit and not a huge loss as you suggest?

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                    • BradShaw
                      Confirmed User
                      • Oct 2001
                      • 7840

                      #11
                      aka loss leader. Biz 101 for the newbies.
                      Sig too big

                      http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html

                      Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

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                      • Spunky
                        I need a beer
                        • Jun 2002
                        • 133978

                        #12
                        Great program,

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                        • Xenophage
                          Registered User
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 12122

                          #13
                          Originally posted by d00t
                          I love the program lars and it does well for me, but I have 1 question...

                          I see from the stats that EVERY customer has had a $75 "load".
                          Correct me if I am wrong -if you get 75 bucks from every person, isnt this an instant profit and not a huge loss as you suggest?
                          actually we give them 75 credit and most dont spend it.. and even if they do we cant for some reason charge them often we actually loose a lot more on teh $1 sites than we do on our program that is prepaid.


                          also remember we pay out 35-40% to models on every $1 spent. so if we pay out $70 bucks to break even each and evey customer must spend at least $150 bucks !
                          Last edited by Xenophage; 02-06-2005, 09:47 PM.

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                          • IceMaster
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jan 2005
                            • 8920

                            #14
                            70$ is a good amount for a PPS. I will give a try it soon.

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                            • pornRefinery
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jan 2005
                              • 384

                              #15
                              Any chance I can get this banner in its original high quality:

                              http://banners.images.streamray.com/camscom/cams07.gif

                              Thanks

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                              • Rui
                                web
                                • Dec 2001
                                • 9533

                                #16
                                Why do you seem to only have cookies tracking for 1.5 days?

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                                • Juicy D. Links
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Apr 2001
                                  • 122992

                                  #17
                                  same way you walk into supermarket and pay 80 cents for a 2 liter bottle of coke.
                                  They dont make money on the coke but you might pick up bananas and zuchinnis while your there

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                                  • Juicy D. Links
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Apr 2001
                                    • 122992

                                    #18
                                    Lars you need any camcocks?

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                                    • Xenophage
                                      Registered User
                                      • Oct 2001
                                      • 12122

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Rui
                                      Why do you seem to only have cookies tracking for 1.5 days?
                                      If you read above you will see that cookies play a very small part in our tracking. For the most part we use url and session id tracking as well as hard coded database entries. With that being said we will review our current cookie time periods. I thought it was longer than that. When we had it set at 30 days we got a lot of complaints from webmasters, who were unhapy it was too long. Can never please all the people all the time.

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                                      • Fletch XXX
                                        GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                        • Jan 2002
                                        • 60840

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by LegendaryLars
                                        If you read above you will see that cookies play a very small part in our tracking. For the most part we use url and session id tracking as well as hard coded database entries. With that being said we will review our current cookie time periods. I thought it was longer than that. When we had it set at 30 days we got a lot of complaints from webmasters, who were unhapy it was too long. Can never please all the people all the time.
                                        says in here

                                        1.5 days

                                        http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ghlight=cookie

                                        thats probably why he is asking

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                                        • Denis_SC
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jan 2004
                                          • 2332

                                          #21
                                          Yo Lars ...
                                          Could you plz turn your ICQ on ?

                                          Denis B.
                                          ICQ 342-587-607
                                          denis AT detamed.com

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                                          • Kevsh
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Dec 2004
                                            • 8619

                                            #22
                                            Good post, Lars. Thanks for explaining how you track sign-ups, a lot of sponsors are unwilling to do so (or at least, without prodding them first!).

                                            Since I've been sending traffic to cams.com I've noticed an increase in conversions so I'm sure you're going to win big-time with it

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                                            • Xenophage
                                              Registered User
                                              • Oct 2001
                                              • 12122

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                              says in here

                                              1.5 days

                                              http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ghlight=cookie

                                              thats probably why he is asking
                                              Yes ok I have changed it to 30 days for now. Here is the issue we have
                                              if you set it for say 6 months, then we get webmasters who visited our site with another webmasters ref code, and then they go to do a test signup, they dont see th sale in their stats cuzz their cookied with the other webmasters ref code they call us up and scream at us that we are stealing from them. I have had at least 20 of these phone calls over the years. So we lowered the cookie setting to please these people. Now you have the other crowd who claims we are stealing because of the 1.5 day cookie. you can not please all the people all the time.


                                              And AS POSTED ABOVE if you have a co brand with us then the cookie does not mean anything since it is tied to the url and you get all sales to that url forever as long as the url remains active. And anyone who signs up for a free account is tagged in the database for life with that ref code. Cookies do not come into action on any of these things.

                                              1. We do URL and cookie tracking. To give you maximum sales.

                                              2. If a user creates a free account that account is stored in the database for life so if he comes back 5 years from now and logs in and buys time you get paid !

                                              3. All co branded sites get 100% of sales as the sales are credited to the url reguardless of cookie. So on this system there is no slop at all, no exit consoles no traffic leaks and no cookies to expire or fuck up 100% of all traffic is paid to you on that url.

                                              4. If a surfer bookmarks a url on our system it has the ref id in it so when they return you get sales for that as well.

                                              5. In light of the current things brought up about cookies we will once again review our process, and adjust things to be as fair as possible for all of our webmasters to make th most $$ possible from us.




                                              Ideally we would like it so URL takes precident over cookie. So BOB sends traffic to cams.com bob gets ref cookie, say set for life, bobs traffic did not sign up on a free signup and did no buy time. Then JIM sends traffic to site, JIMS REF in his URL overwrites BOBS Cookie Jims traffic does not sign up for a free account. FRED sends traffic and gets his cookie on there and finally freds customer signs up for free but does not spend money that day but does so later we look up in the database that the customer login belongs to fred customer spends money and we pay fred for the sale.

                                              On a side note if you do not overwrite cookies then people who have large volumes of traffic have an advantage over guys with few custoemrs as the big guys will get the base installs very quickly and little guys will never get any sales. since everything will be cookied by only the largest traffic sources since all traffic is pretty much from the same pool rotating around the net at this point.


                                              In order to change the way we do cookies and urls it is going to take a rewrite of our Traffic tracker which is a week of programming. In the mean time we have set the cookie to 30 days. If you want to avoid cookies you can create a co brand where cookies are not taken into account. 95% of our traffic goes through co brands so this discussion does not affect 95% of our webmasters. Only those who send to camgirlslive cams.com and cumtv.com are effected. And I will add that that affect is minimal. I have talked to the programmers this morning and we are working on a plan to change things out to work a bit diffferetnt hat i hope will make everyone happy and make as many people the most possible money Thanks for bringing this issue up I was not aware that the cookies were set that short.

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                                              • Major (Tom)
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Nov 2003
                                                • 32492

                                                #24
                                                Lars is a class act. He introuduced himself to me at the movie post dinner and was so humble. It's amazing that a guy who banks what he does still is as level headed as if he was making 10 bucks an hour.
                                                Great guy, great program. Simple as that
                                                Duke

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                                                • Xenophage
                                                  Registered User
                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                  • 12122

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
                                                  Lars is a class act. He introuduced himself to me at the movie post dinner and was so humble. It's amazing that a guy who banks what he does still is as level headed as if he was making 10 bucks an hour.
                                                  Great guy, great program. Simple as that
                                                  Duke

                                                  Thanks I am honored by your words !

                                                  Though i still consider myself a self centered ego maniac, I am better than i once was but i am wroking to my ideal of a more careing giving person.


                                                  Was great to meet you and once again thanks for the awesome dinner ! it was one of the best i attended at the show. A true class Act ! I would love to help sponsor it next year.

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                                                  • Fletch XXX
                                                    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                    • 60840

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by LegendaryLars
                                                    Yes ok I have changed it to 30 days for now. Here is the issue we have
                                                    if you set it for say 6 months, then we get webmasters who visited our site with another webmasters ref code, and then they go to do a test signup, they dont see th sale in their stats cuzz their cookied with the other webmasters ref code they call us up and scream at us that we are stealing from them. I have had at least 20 of these phone calls over the years. So we lowered the cookie setting to please these people. Now you have the other crowd who claims we are stealing because of the 1.5 day cookie. you can not please all the people all the time..
                                                    well normally, new cookies overwrite old ones, so i dont know why these cry babies need to whine.

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                                                    • Sean
                                                      revolutionforce.com
                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                      • 2909

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by MyNameIsEmily
                                                      oh, and I have a couple questions...

                                                      The '20% commision forever' is the plan to sign up to, right?

                                                      And are these girls really live cam girls?

                                                      those girls are all live. there are about 5,000 total models so there are quite a few live at any time.

                                                      the 20% program makes a lot of people happy, but you have to give it time
                                                      -sean
                                                      skype: sean.a.christian
                                                      sean @ revolutionforce.com

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                                                      • GotGauge
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Nov 2001
                                                        • 3072

                                                        #28
                                                        3. All co branded sites get 100% of sales as the sales are credited to the url reguardless of cookie. So on this system there is no slop at all, no exit consoles no traffic leaks and no cookies to expire or fuck up 100% of all traffic is paid to you on that url.

                                                        I am interested in this, can you send me some information, or give me a call?
                                                        [email protected]
                                                        316.516.0784


                                                        ICQ 22264474
                                                        [email protected]

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                                                        • Sean
                                                          revolutionforce.com
                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                          • 2909

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by GotGauge
                                                          3. All co branded sites get 100% of sales as the sales are credited to the url reguardless of cookie. So on this system there is no slop at all, no exit consoles no traffic leaks and no cookies to expire or fuck up 100% of all traffic is paid to you on that url.

                                                          I am interested in this, can you send me some information, or give me a call?
                                                          [email protected]
                                                          316.516.0784
                                                          do you have icq or aim?
                                                          -sean
                                                          skype: sean.a.christian
                                                          sean @ revolutionforce.com

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                                                          • GotGauge
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Nov 2001
                                                            • 3072

                                                            #30
                                                            22264474


                                                            ICQ 22264474
                                                            [email protected]

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                                                            • Sean
                                                              revolutionforce.com
                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                              • 2909

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by GotGauge
                                                              22264474

                                                              coming your way now
                                                              -sean
                                                              skype: sean.a.christian
                                                              sean @ revolutionforce.com

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                                                              • Rui
                                                                web
                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                • 9533

                                                                #32
                                                                Thanks for the post Lars.

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                                                                • Elli
                                                                  Reach for those stars!
                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                  • 17991

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Awesome thread, Lars! Very informative
                                                                  email: [email protected]

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                                                                  • Xenophage
                                                                    Registered User
                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                    • 12122

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                    well normally, new cookies overwrite old ones, so i dont know why these cry babies need to whine.

                                                                    Man people complain about everything give them the moon and they say its too cold... its human nature to bitch and on gfy its extra that way LOL

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                                                                    • JFK
                                                                      FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                      • 67369

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by LegendaryLars
                                                                      Man people complain about everything give them the moon and they say its too cold... its human nature to bitch and on gfy its extra that way LOL
                                                                      and its NOT made of Cheeze

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                                                                      • Sean
                                                                        revolutionforce.com
                                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                                        • 2909

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                                                                        Lars you need any camcocks?

                                                                        we need a juicycam
                                                                        -sean
                                                                        skype: sean.a.christian
                                                                        sean @ revolutionforce.com

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                                                                        • Fletch XXX
                                                                          GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                          • 60840

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by LegendaryLars
                                                                          Man people complain about everything give them the moon and they say its too cold... its human nature to bitch and on gfy its extra that way LOL
                                                                          id rather go co-branded than compplain

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                                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                            best designer on GFY
                                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                                            • 30307

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
                                                                            Lars is a class act. He introuduced himself to me at the movie post dinner and was so humble. It's amazing that a guy who banks what he does still is as level headed as if he was making 10 bucks an hour.
                                                                            Great guy, great program. Simple as that
                                                                            Duke
                                                                            Santa Cruz People can not be beat.
                                                                            They are just like that

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                                                                            • sickkittens
                                                                              I am a meat popsicle.
                                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                                              • 25100

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                                                                              you might pick up bananas and zuchinnis while your there
                                                                              You and Izzz might buy that stuff. I don't.

                                                                              HIGHEST PAYOUTS FOR NO-CONSOLE TOURS IN THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY!

                                                                              THIS SIG CAN BE YOURS FOR $200 - ICQ: 78881543

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                                                                              • Donny
                                                                                As you wish...
                                                                                • May 2002
                                                                                • 13754

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Do you need models to sit behind a camera for you? I have some that might be interested. I've thought of starting a cams site but have decided it's not something I wish to pursue at this time.

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                                                                                • Sean
                                                                                  revolutionforce.com
                                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                                  • 2909

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                  Santa Cruz People can not be beat.
                                                                                  They are just like that

                                                                                  tacos on the beach today i think
                                                                                  -sean
                                                                                  skype: sean.a.christian
                                                                                  sean @ revolutionforce.com

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                                                                                  • Donny
                                                                                    As you wish...
                                                                                    • May 2002
                                                                                    • 13754

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                                                    Do you need models to sit behind a camera for you? I have some that might be interested. I've thought of starting a cams site but have decided it's not something I wish to pursue at this time.
                                                                                    Found the answer to my question on your site....

                                                                                    http://models.streamray.com/

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                                                                                    • Sean
                                                                                      revolutionforce.com
                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                      • 2909

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                                                      Do you need models to sit behind a camera for you? I have some that might be interested. I've thought of starting a cams site but have decided it's not something I wish to pursue at this time.

                                                                                      we will take new models all day long. [email protected] can hook that up for you
                                                                                      -sean
                                                                                      skype: sean.a.christian
                                                                                      sean @ revolutionforce.com

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                                                                                      • Fletch XXX
                                                                                        GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                                                        • 60840

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        where can i find more info on co-branding?

                                                                                        does it have to be: fletchxxx.streamray.com ?

                                                                                        can i use existing urlS?

                                                                                        direct me to some info, im feeling creative and need to add this to my list to do.

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                                                                                        • Xenophage
                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                                          • 12122

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                                          where can i find more info on co-branding?

                                                                                          does it have to be: fletchxxx.streamray.com ?

                                                                                          can i use existing urlS?

                                                                                          direct me to some info, im feeling creative and need to add this to my list to do.

                                                                                          yes its all in the webmaster area and you can use your own url and dns

                                                                                          live.fletchesbitches.com or whatever you want

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                                                                                          • Fletch XXX
                                                                                            GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                                            • 60840

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            cool beans. i have my partner working on something right now. Choosing URL and branding and then we will work on design.

                                                                                            i plan on doing a co-branded site with you, im working on a few projects right now, but as soon as we have everything set up... ill sign up and we will knock this out.

                                                                                            good deal.

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                                                                                            • Donny
                                                                                              As you wish...
                                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                                              • 13754

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by LegendaryLars
                                                                                              yes its all in the webmaster area and you can use your own url and dns

                                                                                              live.fletchesbitches.com or whatever you want
                                                                                              Nice feature!

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                                                                                              • Sean
                                                                                                revolutionforce.com
                                                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                                                • 2909

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                                                                Nice feature!
                                                                                                results of your search

                                                                                                fletchesbitches.com is available.
                                                                                                -sean
                                                                                                skype: sean.a.christian
                                                                                                sean @ revolutionforce.com

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                                                                                                • Fletch XXX
                                                                                                  GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                                  • 60840

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Irish Pimp
                                                                                                  results of your search

                                                                                                  fletchesbitches.com is available.
                                                                                                  thats not how i brand ;)

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                                                                                                  • Xenophage
                                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                                                    • 12122

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Fletch XXX
                                                                                                    thats not how i brand ;)


                                                                                                    hahhaahah me neither

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