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  • enter »
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2004
    • 2362
    #1

    What was I thinking »» Remote Thumbs?

    Why did it take me so long to try this system out? I was dreading the whole thing but it was so easy. The hardest part is that I want to signup for all the sponsors again for this project.

    The setup was a breeze and now my fake tgp's have a reason to live.

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    • jawanda
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2003
      • 6040
      #2
      I concur, it's the shit.

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        • DarkJedi
          No Refunds Issued.
          • Feb 2001
          • 28301
          #3
          Can this fake TGP keep up good traffic levels ?
          Like above 50k ? On autopilot ?

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            • enter »
              Confirmed User
              • Jul 2004
              • 2362
              #4
              Originally posted by DarkJedi
              Can this fake TGP keep up good traffic levels ?
              Like above 50k ? On autopilot ?
              No. I never tried though. i just created a network of 10 to 20K fake ones and didn't care about growing them but I'm creating a new network of real ones and thought I'd try Remote Thumbs as an update option and it looks like it will work great.
              «-- offer extended through New Years (icq286487452)

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                • DarkJedi
                  No Refunds Issued.
                  • Feb 2001
                  • 28301
                  #5
                  Originally posted by enter »
                  No. I never tried though. i just created a network of 10 to 20K fake ones and didn't care about growing them but I'm creating a new network of real ones and thought I'd try Remote Thumbs as an update option and it looks like it will work great.
                  Real ones ? How is it going to be different ? You gonna take submittions ?

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                    • enter »
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 2362
                      #6
                      Originally posted by DarkJedi
                      Real ones ? How is it going to be different ? You gonna take submittions ?
                      I guess it depends on your definition of real and fake. My fake ones were never updated. They just sat there and traded minimal traffic. That's why I have a bunch.

                      My 'real' ones will not take submissions. I don't need that hassle, but they will be updated every day. That's enough to make it real for me.

                      I'm just gonna take a couple of my larger fake sites and use that traffic base to build them up. Even the fake ones get bookmarks but they obviously only return a few times before they figure it out. Once the sites get updated the bookmarks will grow and so will my trade options.
                      «-- offer extended through New Years (icq286487452)

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                        • strobi
                          Confirmed User
                          • Nov 2002
                          • 7383
                          #7
                          Oh no 20000 more tgp's

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                            • enter »
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 2362
                              #8
                              Originally posted by strobi
                              Oh no 20000 more tgp's
                              Wah wah. A million new tgps would not change the internet and surfer habbits. We all push around the same surfers and they're the ones that know about tgp's and mgp's.

                              10% of existing tgp's probably control more than 80% of tgp surfer traffic. The rest are just trying to get a piece of the EXISTING traffic. It's not like new tgp's invent new tgp surfers.

                              I agree they are bad for the industry as a whole. Anything free hurts us but ultimately, we can't go back in time. You either adapt or die.
                              «-- offer extended through New Years (icq286487452)

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                                • Basic_man
                                  Programming King Pin
                                  • Oct 2003
                                  • 27360
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by enter »
                                  Wah wah. A million new tgps would not change the internet and surfer habbits. We all push around the same surfers and they're the ones that know about tgp's and mgp's.

                                  10% of existing tgp's probably control more than 80% of tgp surfer traffic. The rest are just trying to get a piece of the EXISTING traffic. It's not like new tgp's invent new tgp surfers.

                                  I agree they are bad for the industry as a whole. Anything free hurts us but ultimately, we can't go back in time. You either adapt or die.
                                  Nicely said !
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                                    • kaliboy2g
                                      So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                      • Jun 2004
                                      • 10963
                                      #10
                                      Fake TGP doesnt mean it doesnt update.
                                      Just that i doesnt accept submissions.
                                      Care about me?
                                      Who?
                                      Me!
                                      Who?

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                                        • Raven
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jul 2001
                                          • 6874
                                          #11
                                          Good post.

                                          We talked to Joe (remote thumbs) and Gonzo, who threw the FFN Ball, at Internext, came home and proceeded to turn our unproductive domains into tgps.

                                          And, the support rocks!
                                          Raven

                                          ~RETIRED~

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                                            • enter »
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jul 2004
                                              • 2362
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Raven
                                              Good post.

                                              We talked to Joe (remote thumbs) and Gonzo, who threw the FFN Ball, at Internext, came home and proceeded to turn our unproductive domains into tgps.

                                              And, the support rocks!

                                              Yeah, the more I get into it, the more I like it. I'm gonna go niche tgp crazy
                                              «-- offer extended through New Years (icq286487452)

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                                                • sean416
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                  • 3633
                                                  #13
                                                  I definitely agree. I dont use it for fake TGP's.. but I use it to add filler content to existing sites. so easy to set up and really just fucking simple. my only complaints would be more niches and better THUMBS. some of them are really crappy. But all in all, it aint nothing that would stop me from using them.

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                                                    • DarkJedi
                                                      No Refunds Issued.
                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                      • 28301
                                                      #14
                                                      Well, if you're not taking submitions, what is there to update ?

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                                                        • psyko514
                                                          See sig. Join Epic Cash.
                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                          • 22366
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by DarkJedi
                                                          Well, if you're not taking submitions, what is there to update ?
                                                          Remote Thumbs is a script that automatically updates your TGP on a daily basis with FHGs using your link codes.

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                                                            • dopeman
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jan 2005
                                                              • 294
                                                              #16
                                                              maybe it's posted or on their website, but i don't see it. do the galleries have text descriptions so i can use them on a text tgp?

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                                                                • Joesho
                                                                  want to get in shape
                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                  • 12329
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by sean416
                                                                  I definitely agree. I dont use it for fake TGP's.. but I use it to add filler content to existing sites. so easy to set up and really just fucking simple. my only complaints would be more niches and better THUMBS. some of them are really crappy. But all in all, it aint nothing that would stop me from using them.

                                                                  The thumbs come from the sponsors so we have no control over what they send, us we do get several that provide us with exclusive thumbs though, and of course privatly that is who I recomend the most when I am asked about sponsors.

                                                                  as far as more niches go, tell us what you would like to see ( we have a support forum on the site ) or feel free to e-mail myself [email protected] or [email protected] or [email protected] and we will gladley get those added for you if the sponsors have enough galleries available to support it.

                                                                  We are also about a week away from launching a program where we will sell you traffic for you as well ( an affiliate program)

                                                                  Thanks for the kind words, and please let one of us know if there is ever anything we can do for you to improve your experience with doing business with us .
                                                                  Got any domains to sell?
                                                                  I proudly host all my stuff at www.rackco.com

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                                                                    • GonZo
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                      • 3180
                                                                      #18
                                                                      What were you thinking by not trying it? 15 minutes...BAM!
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                                                                        • psyko514
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                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                          • 22366
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by dopeman
                                                                          maybe it's posted or on their website, but i don't see it. do the galleries have text descriptions so i can use them on a text tgp?
                                                                          there's a reason it's called Remote Thumbs

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                                                                            • BV
                                                                              wtf
                                                                              • Sep 2001
                                                                              • 10914
                                                                              #20
                                                                              BVCash is a Remote Thumbs participating sponsor if anyone is interested. We are very happy with their performance thus far. If you haven't checked them out yet click here and do so!

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                                                                                • sean416
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                  • 3633
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Joesho
                                                                                  The thumbs come from the sponsors so we have no control over what they send, us we do get several that provide us with exclusive thumbs though, and of course privatly that is who I recomend the most when I am asked about sponsors.

                                                                                  as far as more niches go, tell us what you would like to see ( we have a support forum on the site ) or feel free to e-mail myself [email protected] or [email protected] or [email protected] and we will gladley get those added for you if the sponsors have enough galleries available to support it.

                                                                                  We are also about a week away from launching a program where we will sell you traffic for you as well ( an affiliate program)

                                                                                  Thanks for the kind words, and please let one of us know if there is ever anything we can do for you to improve your experience with doing business with us .
                                                                                  I didnt know the thumbs werent made by you. I'm going to send you an email once I hit post and I'll show you what thumbs im talking about and suggest some niches. Thanks for your response.

                                                                                  ServerProvider.com

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                                                                                    • LasseKongos
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                      • 4668
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      I think Comus works the same way???



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                                                                                        • Techie Media
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                                          • 3092
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Remote Thumbs is an excellent program and tool ran by some very good people. It was developed to help not only the gallery and tgp webmasters, but the participating programs in it as well. I have watched it closely from it's beginning, and I believe it is accomplishing it's intended goal and improving everyday. to all the remote Thumbs Team.


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                                                                                            • sean416
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                                              • 3633
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by LasseKongos
                                                                                              I think Comus works the same way???
                                                                                              not even close, dont get me wrong, comus is great. But what remote thumbs does, is you just fill out your sponsor data, tell it how many rows, columns, etc and place some simple php or shtml in your page and bang, you have a full fake tgp. You can also hit rebuild and it will redo all the thumbs.

                                                                                              Comus is a TGP script where you can upload thumbs, do the thumbs yourself, and manage them based on click productivity.

                                                                                              ServerProvider.com

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                                                                                                • enter »
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                                                                  • 2362
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by BV
                                                                                                  BVCash is a Remote Thumbs participating sponsor if anyone is interested. We are very happy with their performance thus far. If you haven't checked them out yet click here and do so!
                                                                                                  I'm signed up. Not even half way thru that list of sponsors yet.
                                                                                                  «-- offer extended through New Years (icq286487452)

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                                                                                                    • FIX01
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                                                                      • 183
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by enter »
                                                                                                      Wah wah. A million new tgps would not change the internet and surfer habbits. We all push around the same surfers and they're the ones that know about tgp's and mgp's.

                                                                                                      10% of existing tgp's probably control more than 80% of tgp surfer traffic. The rest are just trying to get a piece of the EXISTING traffic. It's not like new tgp's invent new tgp surfers.

                                                                                                      I agree they are bad for the industry as a whole. Anything free hurts us but ultimately, we can't go back in time. You either adapt or die.
                                                                                                      UH. That's not adapting. That's doing what 10,000 other webmasters are doing. Giving away free porn and running the industry into the ground. Adapting might be learning SE or blogs or something similar where you arent giving away free porn to the masses and making it as easy as possible to surf without actually buying anything.

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                                                                                                        • enter »
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                                          • 2362
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by FIX01
                                                                                                          UH. That's not adapting. That's doing what 10,000 other webmasters are doing. Giving away free porn and running the industry into the ground. Adapting might be learning SE or blogs or something similar where you arent giving away free porn to the masses and making it as easy as possible to surf without actually buying anything.
                                                                                                          Another Wah Wah. Not everyone can make tgp's work because of all the competition. I see the problems and make it work for me. That's adapting. Pissing and moaning about something that will never change and sitting in your little box will lead you nowhere.
                                                                                                          «-- offer extended through New Years (icq286487452)

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                                                                                                            • enter »
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                                                                              • 2362
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by FIX01
                                                                                                              UH. That's not adapting. That's doing what 10,000 other webmasters are doing. Giving away free porn and running the industry into the ground. Adapting might be learning SE or blogs or something similar where you arent giving away free porn to the masses and making it as easy as possible to surf without actually buying anything.

                                                                                                              btw. have you ever actually surfed a tgp? If you're content to whack off to 12 pics from a set then have at it. 100 tgp's can't compete with a quality paysite, and people with credit cards know this. People who rely solely on tgp's for spank material are probably teenagers with no cc or adults with no job and no money. The rest just use it to find their new favorite girl or paysite network.

                                                                                                              There's always people on here bitching about tgp's and how there's no money but every month, all the paid spots on the large sites are sold out, and the big guys just keep getting bigger and richer. Where is all this money coming from if tgp's are just full of people looking for free porn?
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                                                                                                                • Joesho
                                                                                                                  want to get in shape
                                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                  • 12329
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by enter »
                                                                                                                  btw. have you ever actually surfed a tgp? If you're content to whack off to 12 pics from a set then have at it. 100 tgp's can't compete with a quality paysite, and people with credit cards know this. People who rely solely on tgp's for spank material are probably teenagers with no cc or adults with no job and no money. The rest just use it to find their new favorite girl or paysite network.

                                                                                                                  There's always people on here bitching about tgp's and how there's no money but every month, all the paid spots on the large sites are sold out, and the big guys just keep getting bigger and richer. Where is all this money coming from if tgp's are just full of people looking for free porn?

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                                                                                                                    • enter »
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                      • 2362
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Joesho
                                                                                                                      VERY WELL SAID!!!!
                                                                                                                      Thanks Joe. Can you give me an idea of how many galls would I be missing out on if I chose 90*130 instead of 88*88 ? I'm sure most sponsors provide the smaller ones but do most offer both to you guys ?
                                                                                                                      «-- offer extended through New Years (icq286487452)

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                                                                                                                        • LasseKongos
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                          • 4668
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by sean416
                                                                                                                          not even close, dont get me wrong, comus is great. But what remote thumbs does, is you just fill out your sponsor data, tell it how many rows, columns, etc and place some simple php or shtml in your page and bang, you have a full fake tgp. You can also hit rebuild and it will redo all the thumbs.

                                                                                                                          Comus is a TGP script where you can upload thumbs, do the thumbs yourself, and manage them based on click productivity.
                                                                                                                          We do that with Comus

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                                                                                                                            • sweetcuties
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                              • 5859
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by enter »
                                                                                                                              Wah wah. A million new tgps would not change the internet and surfer habbits. We all push around the same surfers and they're the ones that know about tgp's and mgp's.

                                                                                                                              10% of existing tgp's probably control more than 80% of tgp surfer traffic. The rest are just trying to get a piece of the EXISTING traffic. It's not like new tgp's invent new tgp surfers.

                                                                                                                              I agree they are bad for the industry as a whole. Anything free hurts us but ultimately, we can't go back in time. You either adapt or die.
                                                                                                                              So true man... today's surfer expects more before he joins, if he joins

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                                                                                                                                • Shoehorn!
                                                                                                                                  Die With Your Boots On
                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 22872
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by enter »
                                                                                                                                  Wah wah. A million new tgps would not change the internet and surfer habbits. We all push around the same surfers and they're the ones that know about tgp's and mgp's.

                                                                                                                                  10% of existing tgp's probably control more than 80% of tgp surfer traffic. The rest are just trying to get a piece of the EXISTING traffic. It's not like new tgp's invent new tgp surfers.

                                                                                                                                  I agree they are bad for the industry as a whole. Anything free hurts us but ultimately, we can't go back in time. You either adapt or die.
                                                                                                                                  Very nice indeed.

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                                                                                                                                    • tranza
                                                                                                                                      ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 57559
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      I think I have to check them out....
                                                                                                                                      I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                                                        • Violetta
                                                                                                                                          Affiliate
                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 28735
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Joesho
                                                                                                                                          feel free to e-mail myself [email protected] or [email protected] or [email protected]
                                                                                                                                          We are also about a week away from launching a program where we will sell you traffic for you as well ( an affiliate program)

                                                                                                                                          Thanks for the kind words, and please let one of us know if there is ever anything we can do for you to improve your experience with doing business with us .
                                                                                                                                          Remotethumbs

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                                                                                                                                            • Joesho
                                                                                                                                              want to get in shape
                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                              • 12329
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by LasseKongos
                                                                                                                                              We do that with Comus

                                                                                                                                              Comus sucks compared to www.remotethumbs.com 2268 members cant be wrong ..

                                                                                                                                              and btw be prepared now for me to hit every thread you start with the www.remotethumbs.com url if you continue to litter this thread with your bullshit second rate program! riding our coattails has not worked for you this far so why would it now?

                                                                                                                                              and for those of you that did not know www.remotethumbs.com is now available to our users with just a 1% skim feature applied.

                                                                                                                                              and our affiliate plan by where you can sell your traffic through us and get paid for EVERY HIT instead of needing to wait for a sponsor to convert for you is just around the corner...

                                                                                                                                              Stay tuned, and as always feel free to hit any of us up at any time if we can do ANYTHING to improve your service with us,

                                                                                                                                              Hell you need virtual hosting for your tgp's we have programs as low as $1.50 a month ask me how we can help you improve your pocket book we are awlays ready to turn little guys into big guys !!!! all you need to do is sign up and let the traffic begin to flow!!!! we will show you how to make the most profits from it whether you have 300 hits a day or wether you have 300,000 hits a day ! We will treat you as royalty either way!!! cause to us you are all KINGS!!!!
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                                                                                                                                                • inabon
                                                                                                                                                  Good Old Fat Webmaster
                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 970
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by sean416
                                                                                                                                                  I definitely agree. I dont use it for fake TGP's.. but I use it to add filler content to existing sites. so easy to set up and really just fucking simple. my only complaints would be more niches and better THUMBS. some of them are really crappy. But all in all, it aint nothing that would stop me from using them.

                                                                                                                                                  we have a fix for the ugly thumbs those were done in the beginning of the script. if you right click on a bad thumb and check its properties you can paste the url on our supportforum then we will be able to find the ugly thumb and redo the gallery.

                                                                                                                                                  all we need is input so we can weed out bad thumbs. we have fixed a lot already but still some of them slip.

                                                                                                                                                  Whoever dies with most toys wins.

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                                                                                                                                                    • inabon
                                                                                                                                                      Good Old Fat Webmaster
                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 970
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by dopeman
                                                                                                                                                      maybe it's posted or on their website, but i don't see it. do the galleries have text descriptions so i can use them on a text tgp?

                                                                                                                                                      comming soon.
                                                                                                                                                      Whoever dies with most toys wins.

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                                                                                                                                                        • inabon
                                                                                                                                                          Good Old Fat Webmaster
                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 970
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by enter »
                                                                                                                                                          Thanks Joe. Can you give me an idea of how many galls would I be missing out on if I chose 90*130 instead of 88*88 ? I'm sure most sponsors provide the smaller ones but do most offer both to you guys ?

                                                                                                                                                          0 because we create thumbs on both sizes. what joe was talking about no control over content is that we find some galleries with low quality pics to save BW but we are weeding those out.
                                                                                                                                                          Whoever dies with most toys wins.

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                                                                                                                                                            • inabon
                                                                                                                                                              Good Old Fat Webmaster
                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 970
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by inabon
                                                                                                                                                              we have a fix for the ugly thumbs those were done in the beginning of the script. if you right click on a bad thumb and check its properties you can paste the url on our supportforum then we will be able to find the ugly thumb and redo the gallery.

                                                                                                                                                              all we need is input so we can weed out bad thumbs. we have fixed a lot already but still some of them slip.

                                                                                                                                                              correction what i need is the link url of the thumb.
                                                                                                                                                              Whoever dies with most toys wins.

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                                                                                                                                                                • enter »
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                                  • 2362
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by inabon
                                                                                                                                                                  0 because we create thumbs on both sizes. what joe was talking about no control over content is that we find some galleries with low quality pics to save BW but we are weeding those out.
                                                                                                                                                                  Excellent. That's what I was hoping you would say
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