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  • BoardiesBitch
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2006
    • 861
    #1

    More $$$ with small affiliates than with large tubes!

    I will obviously not disclose any names here but this is kind of amazing :
    Im comparing the stats of 2 affiliates promoting the same website from Camsense

    - Affiliate 1 is ranked 10k-12k on Alexa. It's a tube site offering 5-30 minutes videos.
    Sent traffic for 25 days
    226,514 uniques sent
    8 new spenders
    $212.26 Total spent by new spenders

    - Site 2 is ranked 600,000 on Alexa... Small Webcam site. Absolutely no free content on the site, no free chat of any kind....
    Been sending traffic for only 6 days!
    1,026 uniques sent
    12 new spenders
    $1,327.81 Total spent by new spenders

    Affiliate 1 is converting 1/28,000 !!!
    Affiliate 2 is converting 1/86

    On 30 days :
    Affiliate 1 generates 26$ per new signup
    Affiliate 2 generates 110$ per new signup

    Affiliate 1 generates $0.001 per unique - that's 10% of a fucking cent..
    Affiliate 2 generates $1.29 per unique...

    It's quite unbelievable

    And we will see how each of them are doing over a longer period of time.
    Usually 4-5 months is enough to have an idea of the $$$ value of a member

    Again i won't disclose any names here but - just by looking at both sites, it is obvious that THE LESS CONTENT YOU OFFER, THE BETTER YOU WILL CONVERT AND RETAIN

    I know : it's a basic rule, but seems like everyone forgot about that one....
    Give away more full length stolen videos you fools!

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    • Paul Markham
      Too old to care
      • Jun 2001
      • 52942
      #2
      Originally posted by BoardiesBitch
      Again i won't disclose any names here but - just by looking at both sites, it is obvious that THE LESS CONTENT YOU OFFER, THE BETTER YOU WILL CONVERT AND RETAIN

      I know : it's a basic rule, but seems like everyone forgot about that one....
      Give away more full length stolen videos you fools!
      The same rule has always applied from day 1. But few could see further than the end of the week. I pointed out the problems of chasing traffic with free content in another thread, for those that missed it here is how I see it.

      99% give away 10 softcore pics, 1% decide to give away 15 softcore pics and get more traffic. Until the 99% follow them. No advantage for anyone.

      99% give away 15 softcore pics, 1% decide to give away 15 hardcore pics and get more traffic. Until the 99% follow them. No advantage for anyone.

      99% give away 15 hardcore pics, 1% decide to give away 4 hardcore video clips and get more traffic. Until the 99% follow them. No advantage for anyone.

      And so it went on and on for years. Everyone try to leap frog the next guy. All while traffic over all was increasing it hid the worsening of ratios. The increase in traffic hid the obvious fact that something was wrong, the excuse was it was less quality traffic.

      Then good traffic leveled off and ratios really suffered. Still people believed the solution was more traffic. And set about getting it. The flaw in the theory was the only way most people knew to get more traffic was to leap frog each other in a never ending race with no one winning. Often resulting in giving away more and more free and harder content.

      Then Tubes hit the mix and the shit hit the fan.

      Now we give away so much content for free, free content is a better bet to signing up and spending money.

      But how do you get traffic if you don't give everything away? </sarcasm>

      It's called selling a product worth buying.



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        • darksoul
          Confirmed User
          • Apr 2002
          • 4997
          #3
          Originally posted by BoardiesBitch
          , it is obvious that THE LESS CONTENT YOU OFFER, THE BETTER YOU WILL CONVERT AND RETAIN
          actually thats not the point from your example.
          The truth is targeted traffic is better than non targeted traffic. Nothing new.
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            • seeandsee
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              • Mar 2006
              • 50945
              #4
              some people ruined all trying to get traffic over more free content fucking all of us and them
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                • james_clickmemedia
                  Confirmed User
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 2204
                  #5
                  nothing new just the ratios are worse than they were in the past. Back in the day good traffic was 1:100 and bad was 1:1000.
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                    • icymelon
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                      • Dec 2007
                      • 3220
                      #6
                      trick is to find 10 more small sponsors that actually pay you. and your in business
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                        • Barry-xlovecam
                          It's 42
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 18083
                          #7
                          I don't find this surprising at all.

                          With a freechat and the bandwidth cost, 1/28,000 is a losing number ...

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                            • MrDeiz
                              SignBucksDaily.com
                              • May 2008
                              • 9802
                              #8
                              big sales on low traffic - that's exactly the reason why link lists, top-lists, tgps, cjs are closing shops
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                                • Paul Markham
                                  Too old to care
                                  • Jun 2001
                                  • 52942
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by seeandsee
                                  some people ruined all trying to get traffic over more free content fucking all of us and them
                                  Been going on for years.



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                                    • Carmen80
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                                      • Sep 2010
                                      • 207
                                      #10
                                      Tube traffic is crap traffic.
                                      It's all just a strange dream..

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                                        • BoardiesBitch
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Mar 2006
                                          • 861
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by james_clickmemedia
                                          nothing new just the ratios are worse than they were in the past. Back in the day good traffic was 1:100 and bad was 1:1000.
                                          well the "new" thing is that nowadays all large porn site - tube, MGP, or whatever - are all competing one with each others to sell their traffic. The only problem is that this traffic is not productive at all. Yes they have millions of hits, but they just don't convert. And when they do, their traffic does not spend as much as on others sites...
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                                            • topsiteking
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                                              • Dec 2007
                                              • 3571
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Carmen80
                                              Tube traffic is crap traffic.
                                              Oh really....
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                                                • livegirlsonbed
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Apr 2006
                                                  • 487
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by BoardiesBitch

                                                  - Site 2 is ranked 600,000 on Alexa... Small Webcam site. Absolutely no free content on the site, no free chat of any kind....
                                                  Been sending traffic for only 6 days!
                                                  1,026 uniques sent
                                                  12 new spenders
                                                  $1,327.81 Total spent by new spenders

                                                  Affiliate 1 is converting 1/28,000 !!!
                                                  Affiliate 2 is converting 1/86

                                                  On 30 days :
                                                  Affiliate 1 generates 26$ per new signup
                                                  Affiliate 2 generates 110$ per new signup
                                                  Interesting conversion. For the affiliate program, the small site is more profitable. ..but for webmaster with 15% commission on lifetime revs what your program offer - the profit is equal with ~ $200 what is not a big deal.
                                                  The first guy with the tube site can earn more money if he sell the traffic.
                                                  Last edited by livegirlsonbed; 09-21-2010, 12:03 AM.
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                                                    • Tempest
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • May 2004
                                                      • 10217
                                                      #14
                                                      Not really surprising but I suspect the big difference comes from the fact that the small affiliate has targeted traffic as opposed to the tube.

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                                                        • signupdamnit
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Aug 2007
                                                          • 6697
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Tempest
                                                          Not really surprising but I suspect the big difference comes from the fact that the small affiliate has targeted traffic as opposed to the tube.
                                                          Hopefully the small affiliate is legit. I believe the numbers are possible though. I have launched new campaigns before which generated 8 legit $30 signups (late 2008) in a single day from a mere 400 uniques. But this wasn't on a tube and was highly targeted traffic. These surfers were starved and I fed them. It gradually dropped as time went on, of course. This might be the case here as well.

                                                          My legal tubes (all clips < 5 minutes) do about 1:1300 on average.

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                                                            • Stephen
                                                              Consigliere
                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                              • 1771
                                                              #16
                                                              some folks laugh at the old school guys still running text-based niche TGPs

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                                                                • Vick!
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Nov 2005
                                                                  • 6882
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Thanks for sharing the analysis.

                                                                  What kind of site Affiliate 2 is running? Is it a blog? Just a landing page?

                                                                  Please keep us posted the updated stats. Thanks
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                                                                    • HomerSimpson
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Sep 2005
                                                                      • 13826
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Carmen80
                                                                      Tube traffic is crap traffic.
                                                                      well not if you can sell it to trafficholder ($3/cpm) or plugruhsh ($3-$5)
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                                                                        • jabula
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                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                          • 1037
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Carmen80
                                                                          Tube traffic is crap traffic.
                                                                          Tube traffic works for me on niche sites
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                                                                            • DateDoc
                                                                              Outside looking in.
                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                              • 14243
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                              Not really surprising but I suspect the big difference comes from the fact that the small affiliate has targeted traffic as opposed to the tube.
                                                                              I'm guessing the tube traffic is made up from a pop-under.

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                                                                                • mikesinner
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                                                                                  • Nov 2005
                                                                                  • 5646
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  so is affiliate 2 running a blog?

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                                                                                    • Meloman
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                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                      • 1540
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Small affiliate could also be buying adwords traffic. Adword sites usually have high alexa, smaller levels of traffic (compared to a tube) but convert very well because of the targeting.

                                                                                      The catch 22 is that adwords traffic is also really expensive and the bottom line ROI is what is looked at rather than ratios.

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                                                                                        • dirtybaker1331
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Nov 2008
                                                                                          • 461
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          I am all for helping out the low to medium level affiliates. I think they have huge potential. There have been quite a few that only got 1-3 sales a month. After a conversation with me about different promotional tips those affiliates started making about 20-30 a month. Every affiliate is important. And yes, giving away longer clips is going to destroy your conversion ratios. I have fought to keep clips around 2-3 minutes but for some reason you guys demand longer and longer clips. Pretty baffling. If you are one of those smaller affiliates and want to make more, contact me.
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                                                                                            • zeuse
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                                                                                              • Oct 2005
                                                                                              • 499
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Cam sponsers are notorious for letting illegal sites promote them.

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                                                                                                • Marcin978
                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                                  • 392
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  I see one simple solution

                                                                                                  New law that allow porn only when is protected (paysites, avs)
                                                                                                  so no free porn content, no hardcore tubes, no hardcore pics (with genitials)

                                                                                                  only softcore free sites, tgps

                                                                                                  this will have many advantages, the most important is more money for us, for paysite owners


                                                                                                  They should cut off free porn like net casinos!
                                                                                                  USA should ban free porn too, free porn site operators
                                                                                                  free porn sites operated from other countries should be blocked in USA

                                                                                                  TRUST ME, THIS BUSINESS WILL ROCK LIKE IN GOOD OLD TIMES!
                                                                                                  Hire some porn lobbyists and pay them good. What are you waiting for??

                                                                                                  People will buy it!

                                                                                                  WE MUST PROTECT OUR FAMILIES AND CHILDREN FROM FREE PORN!
                                                                                                  THERE IS TOO MUCH PORN ON THE INTERNET!
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                                                                                                    • Konkan
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Jun 2008
                                                                                                      • 3537
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by icymelon
                                                                                                      trick is to find 10 more small sponsors that actually pay you. and your in business
                                                                                                      agree
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                                                                                                        • HomerSimpson
                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                          • Sep 2005
                                                                                                          • 13826
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Marcin978
                                                                                                          I see one simple solution

                                                                                                          New law that allow porn only when is protected (paysites, avs)
                                                                                                          so no free porn content, no hardcore tubes, no hardcore pics (with genitials)

                                                                                                          only softcore free sites, tgps

                                                                                                          this will have many advantages, the most important is more money for us, for paysite owners


                                                                                                          They should cut off free porn like net casinos!
                                                                                                          USA should ban free porn too, free porn site operators
                                                                                                          free porn sites operated from other countries should be blocked in USA

                                                                                                          TRUST ME, THIS BUSINESS WILL ROCK LIKE IN GOOD OLD TIMES!
                                                                                                          Hire some porn lobbyists and pay them good. What are you waiting for??

                                                                                                          People will buy it!

                                                                                                          WE MUST PROTECT OUR FAMILIES AND CHILDREN FROM FREE PORN!
                                                                                                          THERE IS TOO MUCH PORN ON THE INTERNET!
                                                                                                          MR OBAMA, PLEASE DO SOMETHING!
                                                                                                          this looks almost like porn prohibition to me
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                                                                                                            • BoardiesBitch
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                                                                                                              • Mar 2006
                                                                                                              • 861
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Stephen
                                                                                                              some folks laugh at the old school guys still running text-based niche TGPs
                                                                                                              Exactly. They convert much better than tube traffic - at least on our Livecams products.
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                                                                                                                • Machete_
                                                                                                                  WINNING!
                                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                  • 14579
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Tubes are full of freeloaders who hardly buy anything.

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                                                                                                                    • DVTimes
                                                                                                                      xxx
                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                      • 31650
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                      The same rule has always applied from day 1. But few could see further than the end of the week. I pointed out the problems of chasing traffic with free content in another thread, for those that missed it here is how I see it.

                                                                                                                      99% give away 10 softcore pics, 1% decide to give away 15 softcore pics and get more traffic. Until the 99% follow them. No advantage for anyone.

                                                                                                                      99% give away 15 softcore pics, 1% decide to give away 15 hardcore pics and get more traffic. Until the 99% follow them. No advantage for anyone.

                                                                                                                      99% give away 15 hardcore pics, 1% decide to give away 4 hardcore video clips and get more traffic. Until the 99% follow them. No advantage for anyone.

                                                                                                                      And so it went on and on for years. Everyone try to leap frog the next guy. All while traffic over all was increasing it hid the worsening of ratios. The increase in traffic hid the obvious fact that something was wrong, the excuse was it was less quality traffic.

                                                                                                                      Then good traffic leveled off and ratios really suffered. Still people believed the solution was more traffic. And set about getting it. The flaw in the theory was the only way most people knew to get more traffic was to leap frog each other in a never ending race with no one winning. Often resulting in giving away more and more free and harder content.

                                                                                                                      Then Tubes hit the mix and the shit hit the fan.

                                                                                                                      Now we give away so much content for free, free content is a better bet to signing up and spending money.

                                                                                                                      But how do you get traffic if you don't give everything away? </sarcasm>

                                                                                                                      It's called selling a product worth buying.
                                                                                                                      what you want to do is sign up to somone who says they will pay you a % for life then after a few years changes there rules and stops paying.

                                                                                                                      At least no one decent would do that.


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                                                                                                                        • ContentPimp
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                                                                                                                          • Nov 2008
                                                                                                                          • 3184
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          I don't see what's unbelievable. The blog must have targeted traffic of non-free loaders, while the tube is all about free loaders.
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