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I dont disagree with you there.. it is a little deceptive..Originally posted by DamageX
are most programs decpetive in one way or another ? yes
does AWE try to hide the way it operates ? no
I would find it alor more disconcerning if they didnt publicly disclose this fact on their own support forum..
and despite what the terms are it still boils down to the $$, if they didnt bring in $$ it wouldnt matter how long the cookie was..
Do you want a safe and cozy 50 year cookie and less cash or a short cookie and big cash..hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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I ALSO respect smart people (like DamageX) asking smart questions! .. I just happen to have (loudly voiced) opinions myself!
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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
...I really am sitting with Smokey here! lol..Last edited by Aly; 04-06-2006, 12:08 AM.Comment
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Well, it's my wife would call lying by omitting to hold the truth visible.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Agreed, still doesn't make it less deceptive. Just do PPS and the issue is out of this world, why call it revshare when it's clearly not?Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
There's a program which I tested last year for a brief period, which yielded very little at start. I stopped sending them traffic around this time last year. Guess what, my recurring has been piling up like mad since. I'm sure your tests showed that AWE outperforms other programs, short-term. I'm also sure that, when it comes to cams, nothing will beat a good long-term revshare.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearWhitehat is for chumps
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There's at least 25 other revshare cam programs, AWE is the only one I know where you don't retain your customer for the life of their purchases. There is nothing you can tell me to convince me that a 14 day cookie program is going to generate a higher $/unique than a lifetime revshare program over a six month period. The whole key to promoting revshare cams is to attract a few whales, if you can't retain them, then they mean nothing to you. I have some streamray customers that are 4 years old and have spent thousands of dollars and are still making me money.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear"WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..
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dont get me wrong i would love 5 year cookies , but i would also like a blowjob and a new car with every signup , and that aint gonna happen..
shaving aside ( because shaving is dishonest and not disclosed) it doesnt matter how long the cookies are set , it just matter what you get paid.. , other cam sponsors can provide a longer revshare because they have boring cam girls that are "one show ponies" and wont recurr very long or they load the pages with upsells , there are hundred of things as aly mentioned that they cut you out , but what matters is how much you get paid at the end of the day. i understand your frustrations , but they are misdirected..hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Well now... maybe back in 1999 if I'm not mistaken... Oh, don't tell me you didn't promote that program! It was right behind the one that promoted a harley, a blowjob, and a weekend in Amsterdam with every sale!Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
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thi smay or may not be true but certainly isnt true that you retain every purchase made thru the company that made the sale, ( i.e. upsells, toy stores etc )Originally posted by lazycash
then i suppose i cant convince you but its true..Originally posted by lazycash
example awe has awesome cams with girls that convert ( ppv ) a surfer spends $200 the first 2 days you get $60
other cam sponsor has crappy cam girls that dont entice and surfer never spends more money than the original signup you get peanutshatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Wanna try apples and apples?Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Frustrations? Misdirected? Don't get me wrong, I don't give two shits about AWE to begin with, sponsors (cam or any other) are a dime a dozen. I just found it terribly funny that this is actually happening, in a market segment where recurring spending is the real money maker. But hey, if they can get away with it, more power to them.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
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sponsors like awe arent a dime a dozen , go do some research on cam programs.. they didnt get this far being decpetive , they got this far having great cam girls that sell..Originally posted by DamageXI don't give two shits about AWE to begin with, sponsors (cam or any other) are a dime a dozen. I just found it terribly funny that this is actually happening, in a market segment where recurring spending is the real money maker. But hey, if they can get away with it, more power to them.
You might find it funny , but if you promote them back 2 back with other sponsors you will also find it profitable, but dont take my word or the words of people who promote them or actually test them yourself , just make an assumption and stick 2 it
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p.s. from what i hear they are switching to a new tracking method anyways , making this cookie discussion a moot point , so when they do you can come back and tell us how glad you are it piqued your interest and puffed your pocketbook.
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I can bet you anytime that the conversion ratio wont be the same after they switch.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearp.s. from what i hear they are switching to a new tracking method anyways , making this cookie discussion a moot point , so when they do you can come back and tell us how glad you are it piqued your interest and puffed your pocketbook.
heck they pay 30% up to 40% they gotta get their loss back somehow.
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im sure they will change their payout structure to..Originally posted by darksoul
I like it the way it is , i was a little confused at the terms myself , but the proof really is in the pudding. Its sort of like a program that bridges the gap between pps and revshare.. , a revshare program that shows its profits quicker..hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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It appears you haven't promoted many of the revshare cam programs out there. Your boring camgirl argument is hilarious, go check out some other programs before you comment on them. I agree, what matters in the end is $/unique and there is no way a 14 day cookie revshare program can match the $/unique of a lifetime revshare cam program. AWE does have some nice promo tools, lots of cam models and is a decent program. However, as DamageX said, AWE should call there program a pay per signup as essentially the webmaster has little way of retaining their customer beyond 14 days.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
I don't expect you to view things objectively Smokey, I generally find your posts dead on except when it comes to commenting on whomever you are currently promoting in your sig."WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..
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The more you post, the more I get the feeling you have hardly ever promoted cams. Almost all of the cam programs promote one thing, cams, there are no other upsells that you continue to elude to. Again, go look at the models of some of the other programs, I can assure you there are programs with much hotter, more enticing cam models than AWE.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear"WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..
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care to post the "better" sponsors ? i already stated im new at promoting cams( revshare) but im good at spotting tricksOriginally posted by lazycash
as far as me commenting because of who is in my sig is simply not the case , and awe would be the first to tell you i brought up every single point damage-x did with awe BEFORE i put them in my sig, and on gfy , infact it might have even been my thread..
But hey do as you wish im not trying to sway your traffic , just your opinion..
cam sponsor or porn sponsor it boils down to $$$ , do a fair test and com e back with your results, if they are whack i will admit i was wrong.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Smokey, how can you say awe is the best cam-sponsor when you are new to promoting cams? If you use another cam-sponsor for a year or so you'll get rebills, sure awe might do better short-term for you but dont waste your breath since anyone can do the math... No rebills=less moneyOriginally posted by SmokeyTheBearcare to post the "better" sponsors ? i already stated im new at promoting cams( revshare) but im good at spotting tricks
as far as me commenting because of who is in my sig is simply not the case , and awe would be the first to tell you i brought up every single point damage-x did with awe BEFORE i put them in my sig, and on gfy , infact it might have even been my thread..
But hey do as you wish im not trying to sway your traffic , just your opinion..
cam sponsor or porn sponsor it boils down to $$$ , do a fair test and com e back with your results, if they are whack i will admit i was wrong.
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You forgot to add "Click my sig".Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearcare to post the "better" sponsors ? i already stated im new at promoting cams( revshare) but im good at spotting tricks
as far as me commenting because of who is in my sig is simply not the case , and awe would be the first to tell you i brought up every single point damage-x did with awe BEFORE i put them in my sig, and on gfy , infact it might have even been my thread..
But hey do as you wish im not trying to sway your traffic , just your opinion..
cam sponsor or porn sponsor it boils down to $$$ , do a fair test and com e back with your results, if they are whack i will admit i was wrong.
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i didnt say they were the best... i said they were the best for MEOriginally posted by KrilleSmokey, how can you say awe is the best cam-sponsor when you are new to promoting cams? If you use another cam-sponsor for a year or so you'll get rebills, sure awe might do better short-term for you but dont waste your breath since anyone can do the math... No rebills=less money
and if you asked me i wouldnt say they are the best... they are the best for "some" traffic , others are better for "other" traffic..
So dont waste your breathe misunderstanding what i said because i pointed out what i did for a reason..
you want math
4 rebills in a week at 99.99 is greater than zero rebills in a year.. get it ?
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you forgot to post your "better" cam sponsor..Originally posted by DamageXYou forgot to add "Click my sig".hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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I've done dozens and dozens of tests over the last 6 years with my cam traffic, sending blocks of 10k of quality cam traffic from the same source to multiple cam sponsors. I'm a stats freak and I hate wasting my cam traffic on sponsors that don't produce. AWE has never really fared well in my tests, so I've always directed my traffic to other sponsors who produce me a higher $/unique.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearcare to post the "better" sponsors ? i already stated im new at promoting cams( revshare) but im good at spotting tricks
as far as me commenting because of who is in my sig is simply not the case , and awe would be the first to tell you i brought up every single point damage-x did with awe BEFORE i put them in my sig, and on gfy , infact it might have even been my thread..
But hey do as you wish im not trying to sway your traffic , just your opinion..
cam sponsor or porn sponsor it boils down to $$$ , do a fair test and com e back with your results, if they are whack i will admit i was wrong.
The point of my comments is not meant to bash AWE and I'm not going to use this thread to pump up other sponsors. I thought Damage posed an excellent point, as I can assure you many of AWE's webmasters are unaware of their 14 day cookie policy."WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..
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I don't have to. I'm not the biased one, no one in this thread, except you, questioned that. Wonder why.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
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Originally posted by DamageXYou forgot to add "Click my sig".
hyuk hyuk , wanna point out how often i have ever said that on gfy before ?hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Things can be said without uttering words.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
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Originally posted by DamageXI don't have to. I'm not the biased one, no one in this thread, except you, questioned that. Wonder why.
lol nope your not the biased one , the one who quoted a rep then asked how to read english.. bitter ? cant provide any "better" sponsors..? wonder why ?
things that make you go hmmmm
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only if your hallucinatingOriginally posted by DamageXThings can be said without uttering words.hatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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I think I know the other cam sponsor
I'll tell you why they don't work for me.
First of all, I haven't seen one cent since two months
ago when my payment was due.
Their support is totally useless, all they answer "Its not my department"
They don't work at converting your free users, I'm registered with several
free accounts and in more than 6 months those accounts haven't got
at least one email to remind them to fucking login, pretty obvious they don't
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Don't play dumb, it doesn't become you.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearlol nope your not the biased one , the one who quoted a rep then asked how to read english.. bitter ? cant provide any "better" sponsors..? wonder why ? things that make you go hmmmmWhitehat is for chumps
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How do you know they are the best for you unless you try the other sponsors that offer the exact same thing they do? Much of what you have claimed in this thread is based on nothing but pure conjecture as you have admitted to hardly promoting any of the other revshare programs out there. It was fine for you to say that they are working good for you, but bashing other programs out there with silly comments like "boring camgirls" is ignorant. Just out of curiosity, what is your $/unique with AWE?Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear"WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..
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good for youOriginally posted by lazycash
i agreed , but then after explaining it to him and reading that he didnt even care about awe he just thought it was "funny" i realised he doesnt care about the answer or $$ or what it means he was just here to stir shit .Originally posted by lazycashhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Um, there's tons of other revshare cam programs, get out and do some research and try them.Originally posted by darksoulI think I know the other cam sponsor
I'll tell you why they don't work for me.
First of all, I haven't seen one cent since two months
ago when my payment was due.
Their support is totally useless, all they answer "Its not my department"
They don't work at converting your free users, I'm registered with several
free accounts and in more than 6 months those accounts haven't got
at least one email to remind them to fucking login, pretty obvious they don't
care to make you money."WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..
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You realized jack shit. I asked the question for the exact reason lazycash mentioned. It's deceptive and at this point anyone opting to promote them as revshare is being taken for a ride. Regardless of how much they paid for your sig.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearWhitehat is for chumps
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tons ?Originally posted by lazycash
lets be serious here
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I have and thats why i posted what i did. I tried several other cam sponsors for roughly a year ( hardly enough to give any true accuracy but long enough for me to give my opinion ) some were revshare some were ppsOriginally posted by lazycash
Originally posted by lazycashcant tell you that offhand but i can tell you its above $50 per member $/unique is relative to the trafficOriginally posted by lazycashhatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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I am a clickcash whore but 2 of the 5 signups I sent to Lars spent 5 figures the first year. Like someone said above there is no meaning 0 webcam programs paying 14 day revshare that will beat a lifetime revshare cam program. People here are still getting huge checks from promotions they did in 2001. Sure you might have made more money than the typical PPS but what is more, $60 - $100? You will never get someone that spends $240,000 a year if they only have 14 days to spend. I used $240,000 because pretty much every established cam program has a few rich guys spending that much per year.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearcare to post the "better" sponsors ? i already stated im new at promoting cams( revshare) but im good at spotting tricks
as far as me commenting because of who is in my sig is simply not the case , and awe would be the first to tell you i brought up every single point damage-x did with awe BEFORE i put them in my sig, and on gfy , infact it might have even been my thread..
But hey do as you wish im not trying to sway your traffic , just your opinion..
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I'm not going to use this thread to pump other cam sponsors. Just look in one of the threads where someone asks for cam sponsors and you'll have about a third of whats out there. I can assure you there are at least 10quality cam revshare programs.Originally posted by darksoul"WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..
Its crazy..."
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On another note it is impossible to start today and compare AWE to other revshare programs if they are in fact only paying for 14 days of rebills. The reason being is you will get users spending money for 5 , 10 , ?????? years. You would have to wait until every last rebill died to do a true test and it's pretty obvious which one would come out ahead.Comment
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Thats your opinion , and as i pointed out , SHOW me a revshare cam sponsor that pays for EVERYTHING a surfer purchases through your code for life and ill sign up under you.. regardless of who paid what for anything..Originally posted by DamageX
Your trying to insinuate because awe is in my sig that i'm trying to mislead you..
I could give 2 fucks less about what awe wants me to say, i speak my mind , and if i didnt my sig wouldnt be worth squat
take it leave it or piss on it , i could care less.
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i agree with EVERYONE that posted so far here regardless if they do not agree with eachother
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Cams.com, Camsense.com Mtree.com, BigCashCrew.com, MooCash.com off hand.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBearThats your opinion , and as i pointed out , SHOW me a revshare cam sponsor that pays for EVERYTHING a surfer purchases through your code for life and ill sign up under you.. regardless of who paid what for anything..
Your trying to insinuate because awe is in my sig that i'm trying to mislead you..
I could give 2 fucks less about what awe wants me to say, i speak my mind , and if i didnt my sig wouldnt be worth squat
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Obviously awe has no chance at beating lifetime revshare.Originally posted by chadglni
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very true , its all about the traffic and how fast you want the cash i suppose.. as i said above i consider awe to be more of a bridge between pps and revshare sponsors.. it allows a revshare that pays off in a quicker time..Originally posted by chadglnihatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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I hope you're joking with bigcashcrewOriginally posted by chadglni
I checked them out few months ago and they had like 5 bored girls online.
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Originally posted by Soul_Rebeli agree with EVERYONE that posted so far here regardless if they do not agree with eachother
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No, I'm saying that you jumped to their defense because of running them in your sig, which would not be the case if your sig had been sold to someone else. Thus you are biased. There are a few people in this thread who've been doing cams for years and they're all telling you 14 days recurring is horse shit, yet you stubbornly keep running your theory that you make more with AWE, which is, at best, laughable.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Don't bullshit a bullshitter. I know more about pull marketing than you'd ever dream.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
I AM pissing on it. And you obviously care, otherwise you wouldn't have such a hard-on for defending what is obviously less than ethical and proven wrong by many in this thread.Originally posted by SmokeyTheBeartake it leave it or piss on it , i could care less.
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I'm just naming revshare cams I know of. Also the guy I know that promoted them had some nice stats last time I saw them.Originally posted by darksoul
I just looked and there are 25 live cams right now. It's a newer program and middle of the night.Last edited by chadglni; 04-06-2006, 01:27 AM.Comment
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ROTFL, you mean someone's beating the customer with a stick to spend faster?Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
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That's what most of us are saying in this thread, however, Smokey has been trying to make a case otherwise.Originally posted by darksoul"WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..
Its crazy..."
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