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  • UniversalPassLorence
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    • Dec 2004
    • 3721
    #1

    The First Nonsmoking Nation

    The First Nonsmoking Nation
    Bhutan banned tobacco. Could the rest of the world follow?
    By Eric Weiner
    MSN News

    Smoke free by decree

    If you're indignant that your boss just shut the smoking room and outraged that you have to leave the bar to light up, take heart. Life could be worse. You could be Bhutanese.

    The tiny, trendy Himalayan kingdom recently became the world's first nonsmoking nation. Since Dec. 17, it has been illegal to smoke in public or sell tobacco. Violators are fined the equivalent of $232?more than two months' salary in Bhutan. Authorities heralded the ban by igniting a bonfire of cigarette cartons in the capital, Thimphu, and stringing banners across the main thoroughfare, exhorting people to kick the habit. As if they have a choice.



    I am not much of a smoker but this is ridiculous. Do you guys think this will ever catch on?


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    • Warden
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      • Nov 2002
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      #2
      Wow! What about the good kinda smoke?
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        • Manowar
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          • Dec 2003
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          #3
          Nice freedom of choice there

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            • UniversalPassLorence
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              • Dec 2004
              • 3721
              #4
              Originally posted by Warden
              Wow! What about the good kinda smoke?
              Only tobacco, Weed is OK


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                • MetaMan
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                  • Jan 2003
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                  #5
                  how is this ridiculous?

                  millions are addicted and why? you dont even get buzzed, high or whatever, cigs are pointless, no idea why people smoke.

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                    • UniversalPassLorence
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                      • Dec 2004
                      • 3721
                      #6
                      Originally posted by MetaMan
                      how is this ridiculous?

                      millions are addicted and why? you dont even get buzzed, high or whatever, cigs are pointless, no idea why people smoke.

                      To ban it entirely is ridiculous in my view. Where will it end?


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                        • MetaMan
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                          • Jan 2003
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                          #7
                          Originally posted by UniversalPassLorence
                          To ban it entirely is ridiculous in my view. Where will it end?

                          banning citizens from poisoning themselves doesnt seem so bad.

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                            • SetTheWorldonFire
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                              • Feb 2002
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                              #8
                              dayum, that's harsh
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                                • mortenb
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                                  • Jul 2004
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                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by MetaMan
                                  banning citizens from poisoning themselves doesnt seem so bad.
                                  It should be peoples own choice. I can understand that some people don't like smoke and if it bothers people I put my cigarette out, but I am very much against anyone telling me that I am not allowed to smoke. My choice.

                                  Why not ban beer while we are at it?

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                                    • SpaceAce
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                                      • Jul 2002
                                      • 6493
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by MetaMan
                                      banning citizens from poisoning themselves doesnt seem so bad.
                                      It should always be your choice whether or not to poison yourself. Of course, people smoking around me are poisoning me, too. I don't mind bans in public places but to ban it everywhere in the entire kingdom seems a bit severe.

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                                        • Project-Shadow
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                                          • Feb 2003
                                          • 7340
                                          #11
                                          That's going to far, I hate smoke ban it from public places fine, smoke in your own home.. I shouldnt have to breath your 2nd hand smoke. But banning it completely is a bit over the top.

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                                            • UniversalPassLorence
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                                              • Dec 2004
                                              • 3721
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by MetaMan
                                              banning citizens from poisoning themselves doesnt seem so bad.
                                              When will you stop?
                                              There are lots of other examples that come in mind.
                                              For example, Staying under the sun too long for percentage of people over time can cause cancer. Are you going to ban beaches?
                                              When will you stop?


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                                                • IRQ0
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                                                  • Dec 2004
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                                                  #13
                                                  True, free choice is a good thing but sometimes people are too stupid to make the correct choice. Why is it illegal to drink and drive? Because people are too stupid to know better. Banning of cigs completely is a good idea but perhaps a little extreme. Many other areas are heading the same way. Funny thing, here we have decriminalized the good smoke but we are not allowed to smoke in public places, bars etc and in some cities not in public at all. I hope that is the dirrection more cities and countries take. If you are not in your home or your car it is illegal to smoke.

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                                                    • Veterans Day
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                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by IRQ0
                                                      True, free choice is a good thing but sometimes people are too stupid to make the correct choice. Why is it illegal to drink and drive? Because people are too stupid to know better. Banning of cigs completely is a good idea but perhaps a little extreme. Many other areas are heading the same way. Funny thing, here we have decriminalized the good smoke but we are not allowed to smoke in public places, bars etc and in some cities not in public at all. I hope that is the dirrection more cities and countries take. If you are not in your home or your car it is illegal to smoke.
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                                                        • BV
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                                                          • Sep 2001
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                                                          #15
                                                          It's getting worse here in the US.

                                                          For example: At Orlando International Airport you can't smoke outside in front where cars pull up and drop you off or pick you up. Thousands of fucking cars and busses bellowing out carbon monoxide and you cant smoke a fucking ciggarette outside? Come On! That's just fucking Stupid!

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                                                            • MetaMan
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                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                              • 28682
                                                              #16
                                                              smoking fucking blows, kick the habbit, beer and liqour have a point, u get drunk, tipsy, watever, smoking does nothing but make you a fiend.

                                                              every single person in my group of friends is a smoker but me, i dont even mind smoke around me because i am so used to it.

                                                              calgary is coming close to banning it even outside, its supposed to come around in about a decade, i cant wait.

                                                              your right should not infringe on anyone elses, and smoking does, so dont whine when its banned.

                                                              and its bullshit people saying " o what next, o they are infringing on my rights "

                                                              you're just pissed because you cant kick a habbit not because of your "rights".
                                                              Last edited by MetaMan; 01-25-2005, 10:10 AM.

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                                                                • jt420
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                                                                  • Nov 2003
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by BV
                                                                  It's getting worse here in the US.

                                                                  For example: At Orlando International Airport you can't smoke outside in front where cars pull up and drop you off or pick you up. Thousands of fucking cars and busses bellowing out carbon monoxide and you cant smoke a fucking ciggarette outside? Come On! That's just fucking Stupid!
                                                                  lol that funny. the air we breath in major cities is probably equal to smoking a pack of cigs anyways.
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                                                                    • ADL Colin
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                                                                      • Feb 2001
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                                                                      #18
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                                                                        • Morgan
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                                                                          • May 2002
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Smoke to get high.... not to die!
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                                                                            • smack
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                                                                              ridiculous, would never work here. not to mention that's fucking discrimination.

                                                                              everyone seems to forget that.
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                                                                                • UniversalPassLorence
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                                                                                  • Dec 2004
                                                                                  • 3721
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by BV
                                                                                  It's getting worse here in the US.

                                                                                  For example: At Orlando International Airport you can't smoke outside in front where cars pull up and drop you off or pick you up. Thousands of fucking cars and busses bellowing out carbon monoxide and you cant smoke a fucking ciggarette outside? Come On! That's just fucking Stupid!
                                                                                  You got a point with the vehicle polution


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                                                                                    • UniversalPassLorence
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by IRQ0
                                                                                      True, free choice is a good thing but sometimes people are too stupid to make the correct choice. Why is it illegal to drink and drive? Because people are too stupid to know better. Banning of cigs completely is a good idea but perhaps a little extreme. Many other areas are heading the same way. Funny thing, here we have decriminalized the good smoke but we are not allowed to smoke in public places, bars etc and in some cities not in public at all. I hope that is the dirrection more cities and countries take. If you are not in your home or your car it is illegal to smoke.
                                                                                      I don't think that will happen in the near future, but there is a slow momentum building towards it.


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                                                                                        • AnaNicole
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                                                                                            • pradaboy
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                                                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                                                              • 12931
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                                              retard, never happen
                                                                                              true, Philip Morris and the likes have waaaaaaaaaay too much dough to let anything like this happen.

                                                                                              I wouldn't mind a ban in public places though, here in Holland the fucking restaurants aren't even smokefree. Fucking ridiculous! Everytime I go out to have a good time I end up smelling like an ashtray.

                                                                                              Please kill yourself if that's what you want but leave me out of it
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                                                                                                • Veterans Day
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by pradaboy

                                                                                                  Please kill yourself if that's what you want but leave me out of it
                                                                                                  Please reiterate this to the brain dead stoners and alcoholics while your at it, thanks
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                                                                                                    • xclusive
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                                                                                                      • Apr 2004
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Well for the fact that it kills more people than anything else and harms others around you I say good

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                                                                                                        • sweetME
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                                                                                                          • Nov 2004
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Then why don't they do the same for drinking in public? It is considered poisoning yourself just like cigarettes, right? You can harm yourself or others when you're drunk, so why don't they bann drinking as well?
                                                                                                          Then it will be a cool place to live: no smoking, no drinking, no farting, no sneezing, just going to work and coming back home.


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                                                                                                            • Rictor
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                                                                                                              • Jan 2001
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              I hope it catches on.

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                                                                                                                • UniversalPassLorence
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                                                                                                                  • Dec 2004
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by sweetME
                                                                                                                  Then it will be a cool place to live: no smoking, no drinking, no farting, no sneezing, just going to work and coming back home.

                                                                                                                  You got a point there.


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                                                                                                                    • cool1
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                                                                                                                      • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                      • 24939
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Ban cars
                                                                                                                      They will kill ya faster than cig's will
                                                                                                                      The poision coming from a car's exhaust is 1 million times more harmfull then the smoke from a cig.

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                                                                                                                        • IRQ0
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                                                                                                                          • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                          • 144
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Wow the anti-smoking laws are getting tougher...

                                                                                                                          http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...ke-050110.html

                                                                                                                          Fines double if you smoke near children and pregnant women!

                                                                                                                          I still maintain that life is better for everyone when you do not have to walk through clouds of smoke to get into places, eat with the lingering odur of smoke etc and its better for everyone if the laws get tougher.

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                                                                                                                            • pradaboy
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                                                                                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                              • 12931
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                                                                              Please reiterate this to the brain dead stoners and alcoholics while your at it, thanks
                                                                                                                              VD please don't get this wrong, it wasn't meant at you specifically (I don't even know nor is it my business if you smoke) it was more a message in general (part of my rant about not even having smokefree restaurants in NL)

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                                                                                                                                • flashfire
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  weed is less harmful for you than tobbaco in my opinion

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                                                                                                                                    • JFK
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                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 67369
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by MetaMan
                                                                                                                                      how is this ridiculous?

                                                                                                                                      millions are addicted and why? you dont even get buzzed, high or whatever, cigs are pointless, no idea why people smoke.
                                                                                                                                      its an addiction..... you dont get high, but just try and quit and see what happens! Its like being on pain killers for a long time, after a while it just becomes normal to pop them. You are not high, just a normal existence, its the same with tobacco

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                                                                                                                                        • nico-t
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                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 29901
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by MetaMan
                                                                                                                                          banning citizens from poisoning themselves doesnt seem so bad.
                                                                                                                                          Ok TOO MUCH smoking can give u cancer.

                                                                                                                                          But TOO MUCH crisps and fries can give u cancer too.
                                                                                                                                          And TOO MUCH fat gives u heart problems.

                                                                                                                                          So let's ban crisps, fries and fat food too ok?

                                                                                                                                          hell when were at it lets make of every little thing thats unhealthy for ppl a little rule that it's forbidden. Thats the way it goes with the fucking world today: Politicians clear out any risk thats just part of life.

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                                                                                                                                            • nico-t
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                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 29901
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by flashfire
                                                                                                                                              weed is less harmful for you than tobbaco in my opinion
                                                                                                                                              ... say the ingnorant potheads.
                                                                                                                                              the cancer chance of joints:cigs is 3:1 according to a recent research that i read in the paper a while ago.
                                                                                                                                              Theoretical example:
                                                                                                                                              person A that smokes 3 joints a day and person B that smokes 9 cigs a day got exactly the same chance of cancer. 3 joints = 9 cigs.
                                                                                                                                              When A goes up to 4 joints a day and B sticks to 9 cigs a day, A will have more chance to get cancer then B: 4 joints (4x3)= 12 cigs.

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                                                                                                                                                • media
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by MetaMan
                                                                                                                                                  how is this ridiculous?

                                                                                                                                                  millions are addicted and why? you dont even get buzzed, high or whatever, cigs are pointless, no idea why people smoke.
                                                                                                                                                  I smoke now just as a crutch for stess... I hate it.. When I used to smoke when I was younger I would get a little buzz out of it.. but like any drug it went away and the dependancy kicked in..

                                                                                                                                                  after smoking for 10 years I feel like shit...

                                                                                                                                                  I quit last year for 6 months, and it was great.. Then stress levels went through the roof and I started back up..
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                                                                                                                                                    • Dagwolf
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                                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2003
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by mortenb
                                                                                                                                                      It should be peoples own choice. I can understand that some people don't like smoke and if it bothers people I put my cigarette out, but I am very much against anyone telling me that I am not allowed to smoke. My choice.

                                                                                                                                                      Why not ban beer while we are at it?
                                                                                                                                                      Once you're addicted, it's not so much a choice. I'm a hardcore addicted smoker and I hate it. I hate the government for taking advantage of it with exhorbitant taxes. I'd prefer that it be banned, and the tax money already collected used to pay for Zyban or other treatments for addicted smokers.

                                                                                                                                                      I can't quit. Maybe this makes me weak. Maybe I'm more hooked than other people. I don't know.

                                                                                                                                                      I believe I COULD quit, under ideal circumstances... but I haven't lived under ideal circumstances for quite a while now.
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                                                                                                                                                        • UniversalPassLorence
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                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2004
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by IRQ0
                                                                                                                                                          Wow the anti-smoking laws are getting tougher...

                                                                                                                                                          http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...ke-050110.html

                                                                                                                                                          Fines double if you smoke near children and pregnant women!

                                                                                                                                                          I still maintain that life is better for everyone when you do not have to walk through clouds of smoke to get into places, eat with the lingering odur of smoke etc and its better for everyone if the laws get tougher.
                                                                                                                                                          It is gaining momentum. Lets see how far it will go. They have to stop or else there are 1000 of products that are a health hazard.


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                                                                                                                                                            • UniversalPassLorence
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by media
                                                                                                                                                              I smoke now just as a crutch for stess... I hate it.. When I used to smoke when I was younger I would get a little buzz out of it.. but like any drug it went away and the dependancy kicked in..

                                                                                                                                                              after smoking for 10 years I feel like shit...

                                                                                                                                                              I quit last year for 6 months, and it was great.. Then stress levels went through the roof and I started back up..
                                                                                                                                                              I hope you can quit again. I am lucky, since I can smoke a few in the whole week or not. I never urge it.


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                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Too much of everything is bad.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • pxxx
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                                                      • 12114
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      I don't think smoking is the best thing to do.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • d00t
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Just do what australia does - increase the tax on cigarettes to 1000% so that if people want to buy...they can...

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                                                                                                                                                                            • UniversalPassLorence
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by d00t
                                                                                                                                                                              Just do what australia does - increase the tax on cigarettes to 1000% so that if people want to buy...they can...
                                                                                                                                                                              Can't they get cigarettes from the internet cheaper?


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                                                                                                                                                                                • cold_ice
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Damn its a good start. I don't smoke so it don't bother me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • kaliboy2g
                                                                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 10963
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by MetaMan
                                                                                                                                                                                      banning citizens from poisoning themselves doesnt seem so bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                      So then they should ban alcohol, all foods with fat in it, tanning, running to fast

                                                                                                                                                                                      Where to we draw the line?
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • UniversalPassLorence
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by pxxx
                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't think smoking is the best thing to do.
                                                                                                                                                                                          It's not, but one should have the choice. I am happy it's banned in the resturants, malls and etc. but to ban it entirely will not be right either.


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