9/11 Show some respect !!!

p.s. to all the people who use the word "conspiracy" and obviously don't understand what it means , i suggest using a dictionary.

Dude there already has been an investigation lasting 2 years+
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa..._United_States
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html1

Probably the same people that call someone who looks at a 17 year old a pedo..

They hear or read a word and decide to use it because they saw someone else use it..

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[QUOTE=Splum]Dude there already has been an investigation lasting 2 years+

Yep.. Gotta love gov't investigations... Just resulted in another blame game with the cia and fbi..

I read the findings from independent experts who actually deal with high rise construction, demolition, physics, thermodynamics, etc..
not five Democrats and five Republicans.

did any of them answer any of the questions posed above.. ?

Lets be realistic here . It wasnt " the governments" job to protect us from hijacked airplanes. it was specific people. jet fighters , actual people in planes that intercept many many planes per year , hundreds. Where were they .. ? like i want to hear from the actual guys who's job that is..

If you had a child kidnapped from his/her school dont you think you would want to hear from the teacher , ? dont you think the teacher should be reprimanded if he/she failed to protect your child..

If your child was kidnapped and found dead , and they said , oh some evil guys did it , does that suddenly relinquish the teacher from their responsobility to protect your child.

The buildings were built to withstand jets hitting them and didnt , dont you think someone should explain to the people that trusted them EXACTLY why that occured and more improtantly WHAT will be done in the future to prevent such a catastrophic collapse ?

The official report(s) actually do explain why the towers fell and why jets werent scrambled.
1. Look no one anticipated in the 1970s when the WTC was built that a 9000 pound molotov cocktail would be slamming into it, what you fail to understand is that these planes were FILLED WITH FUEL which shot into the building at the point of impact.
2. The chain of command for jets being scrambled was long(because of safeguards which are needed) and the airlines/low level officials had a policy of cooperating with terrorists not considering they planes would be used as bombs.
3. What Pentagon videos do you speak of? There is only one that I was aware of.

Look I think the bottom line is that you WISH something was amiss but quite frankly as tragedies go this one is pretty cut and dried to most logical people. Sure after the fact many politicians and people of power took advantage of 9/11 but lets not confuse the exploitation of 9/11 with the actual tragedy itself.

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Are you not aware that there has been multiple investigations by different entities? Are you not aware that everything that is factually explainable has been explained by multiple experts in many different fields of expertise? Are you not aware that educated guesses have been presented by multiple experts in many different fields of expertise to help explain that that cannot be factually proven? KRL and some others are aware of this but you seem to have missed out, or is it that the minds of conspiratists, such as yourself, just cannot accept any explanation unless it is a sinister explanation?


I will say it again. There has been multiple investigations by different entities. You either were not paying attention and missed out but I suspect that you just cannot accept any explanation unless it has sinister connotations as is the case with most conspriacy theorists.

In case you missed out just do the research and the answers are out there.

If memory serves me correctly the Twin Towers were designed to withstand the impact from a 707

Smokey, did anyone you knew die in the tragedy?

The answers are "out there" on the JFK ass-- and other shit but whatever.

But as photos show, a large portion of the fuel burned outside of the buildings..

There was a camera at a service station pointed in the direction of the bldg. .. Confiscated.. There was a camera at the Sheridan Hotel pointed at the bldg. .. Confiscated..

Something was definitely amiss... just don't know what..

How many people would jump rather than get toasted?

I think if you know its over, flying to your end would be an incredibly blissful way to go.

The Kennedy brothers made enemies with some of the most powerful people in the US.

Its pretty obvious who took them out.

First off, showing respect to the families IS DUE. And should always be.

I've scrambled fighter jets. They didn't "fuck up". They had no idea of what was going to happen I'm guessing. Planes (and large ones) fly within close proximity of NYC ALL THE TIME. By the time you have a fighter in the air, and ready to act isn't long.... but it's the difference between a 15 minute approach to JFK runway to a "building". No one ever would have dreamed....


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The WTC was designed and built in the 70's. At that time the largest jet known was a 727. If you think architechts aren't thinking about the way they change buildings they are. How do they plan now... perhaps... to have a 70 story building withstand a direct hit from a fuel laden 747? You can't... That's like asking the Levee builders of 1927 to imagine a category 5 hurricane 80 years later.

The respect is deserved. And the reverance. But let's not forget, 9-11 is the Pearl Harbor of our generation.... and some have forgotten.

I'm certainly aware of them.. Mostly those that are REAL experts and not gov't paid 'experts' .. Numerous seasoned demolition experts say there's no way the towers could free fall into their own footprint; leaving molten steel as they did without explosives.. Numerous seasoned, commercial pilots say there's no way an untrained pilot could manually put a 757 in the first floor of ANY bldg.. History itself shows that steel framed bldg.s have never fallen from fire.. (Ya can't blame wtc7 on a plane)..
But I suppose these guys are conspiracy theorists because they applied actual experience and expertise and didn't hire some govt' employees for their opinions..


I did.. and yes they are...

and it's funny how you label anyone who is just looking for answers as a conspiracy theorist..

I guess if I was looking for answers about communism, I'd be a communist...

they knew the planes were hijacked or off course and not responding with plenty of time to scramble jets. ( i have heard actual response times prior to 9/11 were 10 mins )
I agree the planes have gotten bigger but i listened to the actual guy who built them say MULTIPLE planes into EACH of them. so 2 727's is 1 767.

And even with that in mind steel doesnt change its melting point after any amount of years, shouldnt we be asking ourselves if other building are vulnerable and what steps could be made to improve on them ?

And another problem is.. they were scrambled from the wrong air patch.. Strange one there..

The gov't was asked that very thing more recently that 1927 and they apparently didn't answer.. which brings on other questions today..

Which is the very reason questions need be asked.. They're still being asked about Pearl and still not being answered...

I'll say this once. Anyone who thinks George Bush orchestrated 9/11 should be taken out back and shot old yeller style..

learn to fuicking read , show some respect to those who have died you fucking moron , nobody is talking about george bush you twit..

Lol wonder how many here know about Sedition. Maybe time to bring it back.

Smoke - this assumes someone knew (conspiracy). Secondly it takes 10 minutes to get a jet off the ground, let alone intercept and determine a threat. Caught "pant's down"? Yeah.

I agree too... I saw the same and listened to the same builder you did I am guessing. "Leslie" Can't remember his name. When he said multiple planes he had imagined a jet and a Cessna hitting a tower. In 1970 who would have thunk someone would have been stupid enough to ram a building with a FULLY Fuel laden passenger jet that wasn't even built at that time? That's all I'm saying..

I hate to say this, but have to agree. This isn't about GWB.......

I am a simplistic person. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I tend to believe that it is a duck. Thus the label.

But enough of this. I do not take any pleasure arguing with the immature, the misinformed, the uniformed, consiracy theorists, board whores, or idiots. In addition I have work to do. Feel free to continue without me.

Someone did know , the same way they know in every other occasion planes are scrambled.. the air traffic control see's the plane well of course tries to contact the plane , they cant so they scramble jets . perhaps im missing something..

Im only speaking from what i have heard , im not talking about any conpiracy. I have heard on several occasions prior to 9/11 when planes go off course and jets are called they show up in 10 mins. Canadian jets were scrambled as planes were routed into canada.

I want to believe what your saying but here what i would like better , to hear the actual guy who scrambles jets for that area, not a spokesperson but the actual guy , i want him to tell us how long it takes on average to scarmble a jet , and how long it took them to arrive ( i first heard jets in the wtc area AFTER the first tower collapsed..)


so lets hear him explain that to us. or more importantly to the people who's families lost their lives that day, and maybe he should have "updated" his review of the building.. and none of that still explains how the steel columns melted, or what created the molten globs of steel present weeks later under the buildings. even the official report says the planes didnt cause the towers to collapse AND that the fuel from the jets would have burned up within the first few minutes, so if all that is true what sort of fire brought down wtc , and should we be looking for other buildings made from the same "butter" steel

That's laughable.. a typical response from the unarmed...

But then again, you're the one who thinks a president can go fight anyone, at any time, for any reason.. so you're definitely one I'd wanna listen to..

what was the name of that report Condi?



"err ummm I think it was something like terrorists plan to fly planes into buildings"

i think alot of people confuse "wanting answers" to "blaming someone else"

I would say as a whole theres alot more evidence out there to suggest the planes into wtc were hijacked just as they say they were, but that doesnt mean everyone just gets off the hook.

Shouldnt FEMA be responsible for lying to the public about the air quality ? and i dont mean fired , everyone gets fired from FEMA everytime they are needed , i mean actual jail time. People are already dying from cancer from the cleanup , dont you think they deserve justice from the people who lied flat out and told them it was safe to breathe ? they didnt just pick that analysis up out of thin air , someone got the results and said " we cant tell them the truth for ________ reason " ... people that live in the area that would have been perfectly fine if they had stayed away for a bit longer are dying now because some idiot thought it was in someone's best interest no to tell the truth , and what did we get for letting these people get away with this and NOT opening a REAL investigation.. the same people ( FEMA ) fucked up in katrina , ( suprise suprise )

Lol ok what you heard MUST be the truth then? Give me a break the chain of command was too long in this instance and the 911 report CLEARLY explains why jets were NOT scrambled that day.
The destruction of inner columns from the jet fuel melting it does explain why the steel columns melted, engineers have CONFIRMED this. The official report says that the fire and subsequent damage IS what brought down the buildings.

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Your post now is simply troll bait Smokey, at first I thought you were serious but now your subtle insuations do not even hold water. The reasons have been explained and are quite evident, you just refuse to believe the answers.

If you choose to believe there is some "other" explanation than the official version why dont you just come out and explain it to us. Please provide the relevent expert testimony as well, just to make it even with the official version.

In the end I hate to put you on my post whore list but I might have to.

Actually that is entirely correct, a President can order an attack on any country at any time for any reason(well we must be attacked of course). He does not need PRIOR approval of congress. Now I dont agree with a President doing that, but they do have that power as afforded by the laws of the USA.
http://encarta.msn.com/guide_whocand...rch_Guide.html

nice to see you know what i "wish"

I "wish" people wouldn't presume to know what im thinking.

If it was cut and dry there wouldnt be so many people asking questions..

If i had said they predicted etc etc to fly into a building in 1970 i would have said etc etc etc , i didnt say that because , well i didnt say that..

Im not going to go into the details again and again when people just dont get ITS NOT CUT AND DRY , you think its cut and dry in your mind.. thus it must be for everyone.. there are many more factors than can be debated on a chat board , thats why we need a real investigation. It cant hurt anything

The 9/11 report said basically the jet fuel mostly burned up within the first few minutes , it also said the jets didnt cause the collapse.. so using that reasoning that you dont think needs more investigation , if it wasnt jet fuel and wasnt the planes , what caused the fire to get hot enough to melt steel ?

Finally, a smart post from you Smokey.

FEMA should be held to task for the air quality. I am one of those watching my health very closely. I get quarterly reports from the WTC Health Org. because I was in the closest proximity to the pit. I can tell you I have sinus troubles that I never had before, but so far that is all.

As for what was in the air, we will never know. I do know that the dust from inside my loft was tested (by a lab I hired myself) and what was in it was basically materials that are in concrete.

That said, there is no way they were gonna shut down NYC for very long. I always joked with my family that if this were to have happened on the west coast of the US, there would still be a big pile of rubble there, and they would be doing tests.

To this day I am still amazed that NYC had a very large crane at the site within hours of it happening. I still shake my head with wonder.

I do think it's ironic that you name this thread " Show some respect" but yet you have no problem posting those pics on GFY.

Seriously, if that was one of your family members in those photos, would you want them posted anywhere, let alone a website called GoFuckYourself.

Put some serious thought into it, and I know you will come to the right answer.

Im giving you the benefit of the doubt here and you still cant come up with any facts..

Lets see a cesna goes into restricted airspace and jets are scrambled in 10 mins , but for some reason the chain of command suddenly grows on 9/11 so jets cant be scambled.. gee that makes sense.. great plan.. little threat scramble jets fast , BIG threat , dont scramble jets

The 9/11 report did nothing to explain why the jets were not scrambled, neither did your post if it did you would have quoted it and posted it.. go ahead , feel free to post ANY proff to the contrary..

I'm beginning to get the feeling you didnt read the report nor understand what was said.. they said steel melts at a lower temp than it does , i can explain anything using false facts

the guy who certified the steel said "impossible", do i believe the guy who certified the steel or a beaurocrats "opinion"

hmmm

again because you cant back up anything you have had to say with anying more than conjecture you try to insult me.. insult me with facts not ignorance.

I posted above , you havent succesfully argued those yet, i dont want to get to far ahead of you.

I will give you #2 you did a fair job explaining that one , not well enough for me and certainly not well enough for people who died but ill give you #2

For the first one #1 all you have to do is post AVG response time and WTC response time.. that will be sufficient for a start ( depending on the answer )

#3 good luck nobody wants to talk about those

if i ever have to jump out of a burning building i want my picture posted on every bill board , signboard and outhouse until the people who were supposed to protect me are brought to justice in a fair way , the same as if someone hit your family member in a car and took off, you would want EVERYONE responsible to be brought to justice..

..... has determined that the president, as commander-in-chief of the military, does have the authority to recognize a "state of war" initiated against the United States and may in these circumstances unilaterally send U.S. troops into battle.

That's a far cry from saying he can just attack any country for any reason..

Further.. there was no state of war initiated against the U.S. by Iraq..

I remember hearing the reason just a few days after 9/11 and it was basically that the military wasn't informed when they should have been.. It was way too late by the time they scrambled a couple jets... There was a lot of confusion and human error on the part of the air controllers and FAA.. The one part I didn't know was that the guy the FAA was supposed to notify was out of the country and so it seemed like no one knew who to contact...

This is an interesting page:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/t..._9/11=dayOf911

This same discussion occured the other day.. The constitution states that only congress can declare "war"... but.. since the Korean War, presidents get around that by doing "police actions".. Thus congress passed the War Acts Resolution which says that if the presidet starts any military actions, he will notify them within 48 hours and then they have 2-3 months to approve of the action or not.. or something like that.. Presidents claim that the resolution is unconstitutional whereas others claim that any military action taken by the President without congressional approval is also unconstitutional. The supreme court hasn't ruled on any of it.

So basically, the President can use the military however he pleases as long as he doesn't declare war since he's not allowed to. However, it could be unconstitutional but no one has stepped up to the plate to force the issue. If it is unconstitutional, then I think every president since Truman would be thrown in jail and I don't see that happening.

1. Dont play word games, even Democrats have declared "police actions" and such to skirt around the issue of who can and cannot send troops to battle. Fact is any President can and often does authorize military action without any oversight.

2. Iraq violated UN security resolutions for years(on top of violating cease fire agreements with the USA as well)and there was an order AUTHORIZING the use of force against Iraq if it did not comply. Dont give me this shit about WMD because they didnt have to actually HAVE the WMD to violate the resolution, it also states that Iraq must not SEEK WMD either.

Yes he actually can. Read up on it a bit. Has 90 days to even consult congress.

Did you hear recently that there's supposedly a memo out there now that outlines a meeting between Bush and Blair where Bush said that they "the US" had considered making a spy plane look like a UN plane, fly it over Iraq to try and get them to shoot at it and thus they'd be in violation and they could go to war.

Umm retard. They already we're shooting at planes in the safe zone.


I love this though.

there's SUPPOSEDLY a memo.

I couldn't imagine being faced with the option, it would be soooo incredibly terrible. But if I was then I would have to say jump.
RIP to all those that lost their lives on that horrific day.

Military plane, not UN planes ...

Talking about retard ...


BTW, the so called " safe-zone " were a unilateral US-Britt thing, in violation of all international law .

Didn't link to the Guardian, because you would say it is not a " credible " source ,.. ( contrary to yourself , after all, you are the SPOON specialist... )

Full article on the memo showing how Bush is a liar

All the BS of " war last ressource ", we are negotiating, Saddam has to come clean, and so on was just , as I said 3 years ago, just a stalling measure to prepare the invasion ( oups, I meant " liberation " ).

Article about people who jumped (around 200 jumped)

Desperation forced a horrific decision

By Dennis Cauchon and Martha Moore, USA TODAY

At first, it seemed like debris. Large objects were falling from the top of the World Trade Center's north tower, just a few minutes after American Airlines Flight 11 hit.

The sight of people plunging from the north tower compelled hundreds in the south tower to flee before the second jet struck the building.
Richard Drew, AP

"It took three or four to realize: They were people," says James Logozzo, who had gathered with co-workers in a Morgan Stanley boardroom on the 72nd floor of the south tower, just 120 feet away from the north tower. "Then this one woman fell."

She fell closer to the south tower, he recalls. Logozzo saw her face. She had dark hair and olive skin, a white blouse and black skirt. She fell with her back to the ground, flat, staring up.

"The look on her face was shock. She wasn't screaming. It was slow motion. When she hit, there was nothing left," Logozzo says.

Logozzo cried, "Oh my God!" and raced for the stairs. When he got to the street 45 minutes later, he looked up. By then, his building had been struck by United Airlines Flight 175. From the ground, he saw two more people jump. This time, they were from his building.

The story of the victims who jumped to their deaths is the most sensitive aspect of the Sept. 11 tragedy. Photographs of people falling to their deaths shocked the nation. Most newspapers and magazines ran only one or two photos, then published no more. USA TODAY ran one photo Nov. 16.

Still, the images resonate. Many who survived or witnessed the attack say the sight of victims jumping is their most haunting memory of that day.

It was worse than people realize.

USA TODAY estimates that at least 200 people jumped to their deaths that morning, far more than can be seen in the photographs taken that morning. Nearly all were from the north tower, which was hit first and collapsed last. Fewer than a dozen were from the south tower.

The jumping started shortly after the first jet hit at 8:46 a.m. People jumped continuously during the 102 minutes that the north tower stood. Two people jumped as the north tower began to fall at 10:28 a.m., witnesses said.

For those who jumped, the fall lasted 10 seconds. They struck the ground at just less than 150 miles per hour hahaha8212; not fast enough to cause unconsciousness while falling, but fast enough to ensure instant death on impact. People jumped from all four sides of the north tower. They jumped alone, in pairs and in groups.

Most came from the north tower's 101st to 105th floors, where the Cantor Fitzgerald bond firm had offices, and the 106th and 107th floors, where a conference was underway at the Windows on the World restaurant. Others leaped from the 93rd through 100th floor offices of Marsh & McLennan insurance company.

Intense smoke and heat, rather than flames, pushed people into this horrific choice. Flight 11 struck the 94th through 98th floors of the north tower, shooting heat and smoke up elevator shafts and stairways in the center of the building. Within minutes, it would have been very difficult to breathe. That drove people to the windows 1,100 to 1,300 feet above ground.

There were several reasons more people jumped from the north tower than from the south. The fire was more intense and compact in the north tower. The jet hit higher, so smoke was concentrated in 15 floors compared with 30 floors in the south tower, which was hit on the 78th through 84th floors. The north tower also stood longer: 102 minutes vs. 56 minutes. And twice as many people were trapped on the north tower's upper floors than in the south tower, where occupants had 161/2 minutes to evacuate before the second jet hit.

The New York medical examiner's office says it does not classify the people who fell to their deaths on Sept. 11 as "jumpers."

"A 'jumper' is somebody who goes to the office in the morning knowing that they will commit suicide," says Ellen Borakove, spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office. "These people were forced out by the smoke and flames or blown out."

She says the medical examiner's office couldn't determine who jumped because the injuries were similar to those suffered by the people killed in the collapse of the towers. The manner of death for all those who died was listed as homicide on death certificates.

To make its estimate of the number of people who plunged from the Trade Center, USA TODAY reviewed videos and photographs, interviewed witnesses and analyzed the time and location of the jumping. The newspaper discussed its conclusion with officials in the fire department and medical examiner's office who, while not making calculations of their own, deemed an estimate of 200 jumpers as accurate.

The New York Times counted 50 different jumpers in a review of photographs and videotapes. USA TODAY's estimate attempts to include people whose falls were not documented. Nearly all photos were of the north tower's north and east faces, which were more accessible to photographers coming from uptown Manhattan. But witnesses reported that numerous people leapt from the north tower's south and west sides as well.

On the south side, firefighters reported 30 to 40 bodies on the roof of the 22-floor Marriott Hotel, adjacent to the north tower.

On the west side, falling bodies crashed onto the awning covering the circular VIP driveway. The thudding of bodies at this entrance can be heard on a video taken near there by French cameraman Jules Naudet, whose footage was broadcast on CBS on March 11.

On the east side, people plummeted into the plaza, best known for its globe sculpture. Blood covered the glass walls and revolving doors that led to the plaza from the second-floor mezzanine in the north tower. People evacuating the north tower walked by this horrible sight.

"The windows were red ... and bits of bodies were outside. We were stunned and amazed," says Richard Moller, who escaped from the 78th floor.

After the first jet crash, Port Authority police Officer David Lim took an escalator from the lobby of the north tower to the plaza level, one floor above. He saw a disfigured body near a stage where musical groups performed on the plaza. "I said, oh my God! I've got to call this in. 'I've got a DOA on the plaza.' The desk officer said, 'Are you sure he's dead?' As I'm retransmitting, another body falls."

To be sure, some who fell didn't jump. Witnesses say a few people seemed to have stumbled out of broken windows obscured by smoke. But most say those jumping appeared to make a conscious choice to die by falling rather than from smoke, heat or fire.

Ultimately, they were choosing not whether to die but how to die. Nobody survived on the floors from which people jumped.

Victims who jumped had a profound influence on the evacuation. Firefighters moved their command post away from the building to avoid them. A falling body killed a firefighter. Fire Commissioner Thomas Van Essen, rushing out of the north tower to meet Mayor Rudy Giuliani, was nearly killed when a body landed 15 feet away.

To safeguard people from falling bodies and debris, authorities blocked the main exits from the lobbies to the street. Instead, people escaping from both towers were sent through an underground shopping mall and under the outdoor plaza where bodies were falling.

The sight of people jumping saved lives, too. In the south tower, people had a close-up view of people plunging to their deaths from a building that was a mirror image of their own. "I looked at a couple of people jumping, and that was it. I'd seen enough. I said, 'We've got to get the hell out of here,' " says Jaede Barg, who worked for Aon on the south tower's 100th floor.

Many south tower survivors say the sight of people jumping created an urgency that caused them to leave immediately and ignore announcements that it was safe to return to their desks. About 1,400 people evacuated the upper floors before the second jet hit.

Eric Thompson, who worked on the 77th floor of the south tower, went to a conference room window after the first jet hit. He was shocked when a man came to a north tower window and leapt from a few floors above the fire. Thompson looked the man in the face. He saw his tie flapping in the wind. He watched the man's body strike the pavement below. "There was no human resemblance whatsoever," Thompson says.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/...2-jumper_x.htm

Maybe Im missing it, but where did this "memo" appear from? Was it typed out on a typewriter using special fonts only available on 2 typewriters in the world like the last one?

Wouldnt the U.N. know if it was one of their planes? This is the dumbest thing ever. How would disquising a plane as a U.N. plane work.... Grasping at straws folks. .lol

intersting perspective..let us know when you take your head out of yor ass