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  • SleazyDream
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    • Jul 2001
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    #1

    Do you buy assests or Liabilities?

    Frame of thought - when you buy stuff - do you buy assets or liabilities?


    Better yet - do you buy liabilities that you tell yourself is an asset?

    examples of typical liabilities that many think are assets

    you car
    the house you live in
    your boat
    your moterbike
    cloths
    jewlry



    So what do you buy when you buy things? Assets or liabilities?
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  • Sly
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    • Sep 2004
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    #2
    Have you been reading Rich Dad Poor Dad?

    I buy liabilities to help enjoy life, assets to make more money. Weee!
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    • Doctor Dre
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      #3
      I try to buy assets as much as possible nowdays.
      Originally posted by rayadp05
      I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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      • wdforty
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        #4
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        • SleazyDream
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          #5
          Originally posted by Sly
          Have you been reading Rich Dad Poor Dad?

          I buy liabilities to help enjoy life, assets to make more money. Weee!
          ask DH - I have read that book but I honestly thought like this before reading it.


          posting cause a friend told me my house was an asset today. I've never sceen it as such - don't get me wrong - LOVE this place - but I just see it as a money pit asset wise
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          • Morgan
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            #6
            all of the above.

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            • wdforty
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              #7
              The house you live in would be seen as an asset if you sold it for more than you bought it, right?
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              • Doctor Dre
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                • Jan 2001
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                #8
                A house is an asset according to today's market... (raising value all the time) Unless you go mike tyson on it, spending 55 mills and resell it to 50cents for 5 mills.
                Originally posted by rayadp05
                I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                • Sly
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by SleazyDream
                  ask DH - I have read that book but I honestly thought like this before reading it.


                  posting cause a friend told me my house was an asset today. I've never sceen it as such - don't get me wrong - LOVE this place - but I just see it as a money pit asset wise
                  Agreed. A lot of his thinking process wasn't that different than how I was already thinking, but he did give some good ideas and insight on a few things. Houses are a money pit.
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                  • SleazyDream
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by wdforty
                    The house you live in would be seen as an asset if you sold it for more than you bought it, right?


                    to be honest that's just a way to justify the money being an asset but in reality you'll dump it into another house and most likly won't profit from it.


                    think like this - if the value goes up - to get another place that keeps you in the same status - you have to spend just as much - so there really isn't any asset value to it unless you want to LOWER your standard of living and that just sets you back - mentally and socially.
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                    • Sly
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                      A house is an asset according to today's market... (raising value all the time) Unless you go mike tyson on it, spending 55 mills and resell it to 50cents for 5 mills.
                      Are houses still going up big time in Montreal? It depends on the market, value isn't going up everywhere anymore, a lot of people are in trouble.
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                      • HighRoller
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                        #12
                        I don't think Robert Kiyosaki considers it an asset
                        I kind of consider it both
                        it does go up, it diffinetaly beats renting


                        There is some stat out there that the average homeowner's net worth is lke 160k, and renters is 4k or less, don't remember the exact quotes


                        In reality it's an asset if you rent out the other rooms and the other people pay for your rent in the house.


                        But if you have a $5000/mo payment on your house, that it's in some ways a liability, because you could go get a $800/mo place
                        and then go get


                        10 properties that negatively cashflow $400 a month , so much more you can do with that money.

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                        • HighRoller
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                          #13
                          By the way I could teach all of you how to buy 100 houses in the next few years over a post on Gfy

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                          • Doctor Dre
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Sly
                            Are houses still going up big time in Montreal? It depends on the market, value isn't going up everywhere anymore, a lot of people are in trouble.
                            Near Ottawa about 3.5 % a year steady.

                            thing with the canadian market is that the interest aren't tax deductable like in the US, so the house boom wasn't nearly as big
                            Originally posted by rayadp05
                            I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                            • Doctor Dre
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                              • Jan 2001
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by SleazyDream
                              to be honest that's just a way to justify the money being an asset but in reality you'll dump it into another house and most likly won't profit from it.


                              think like this - if the value goes up - to get another place that keeps you in the same status - you have to spend just as much - so there really isn't any asset value to it unless you want to LOWER your standard of living and that just sets you back - mentally and socially.
                              You can think like that about anything you buy that gain value too... what is an asset then ?
                              Originally posted by rayadp05
                              I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                              • RobbieRye
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                                • Oct 2005
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                                #16
                                My rich dad told me to buy assets.

                                Actually, truth be known, my grandparents instilled this in me. I don't think that (basic) living is tough. Keep your monthly expenses as low as you possibly can and only buy things when you actually have the money.

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                                • SleazyDream
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                  You can think like that about anything you buy that gain value too... what is an asset then ?
                                  an asset is something that puts money in my pocket - and more then it takes out
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                                  • uno
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Sly
                                    Have you been reading Rich Dad Poor Dad?

                                    I buy liabilities to help enjoy life, assets to make more money. Weee!
                                    I had that exact same thought.
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                                    • KRL
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                                      #19
                                      Only buy liabilies if they are deeply discounted.

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                                      • bigdog
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                                        • Jul 2001
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                                        #20
                                        Whats the point of making money if you don't spend it a little. Just don't go overboard

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                                        • biftek
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                                          • Jan 2005
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                                          #21
                                          well my car that i own is around 10years old , wont buy a new car as it doesn't make a sound investment ,
                                          i rent my home , works out much cheaper compared to buying a house, money i save i put into investments

                                          don't need fancy things to splash my wealth , not that i don't buy stuff , just don't buy shit cause i have the money to burn

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                                          • HighRoller
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by biftek
                                            well my car that i own is around 10years old , wont buy a new car as it doesn't make a sound investment ,
                                            i rent my home , works out much cheaper compared to buying a house, money i save i put into investments

                                            don't need fancy things to splash my wealth , not that i don't buy stuff , just don't buy shit cause i have the money to burn

                                            In reality renting shouldn't be cheaper than buying a home
                                            if you count in the tax deductions at the end of the year.

                                            Renting is ok in situations you are going to live 18 months or less
                                            just because of closing costs and real estate commissions

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                                            • woj
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                              an asset is something that puts money in my pocket - and more then it takes out
                                              It sounds like you are blindly repeating what rich dad poor dad book says...
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                                              • biftek
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                                                #24
                                                well in australian coditions after you crunch the numbers ,

                                                over 20 years, you'd pay 300k interest on a 250K loan (thats the figures I worked out a few months ago)
                                                if you payed 200 p/w rent for 52wks x 20 years that equals 200K. If you saved like you would have paid a mortgage ($250pw x 52wk x 20) thats $260k in savings, not including interest, dividends or money made from investments.
                                                With that you can argue rent going up (like I could say interest rate going up), inflation, a property boom etc. you could also include the 3-6% a year your property will go up (some are going up higher right now, but they're the ones you can't afford to buy now anyway), and I could argue shire rates and their steady increase, property upkeep etc,

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                                                • HighRoller
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by biftek
                                                  well in australian coditions after you crunch the numbers ,

                                                  over 20 years, you'd pay 300k interest on a 250K loan (thats the figures I worked out a few months ago)
                                                  if you payed 200 p/w rent for 52wks x 20 years that equals 200K. If you saved like you would have paid a mortgage ($250pw x 52wk x 20) thats $260k in savings, not including interest, dividends or money made from investments.
                                                  With that you can argue rent going up (like I could say interest rate going up), inflation, a property boom etc. you could also include the 3-6% a year your property will go up (some are going up higher right now, but they're the ones you can't afford to buy now anyway), and I could argue shire rates and their steady increase, property upkeep etc,


                                                  Is Dolf De Roos big where you are?
                                                  I think he originates from New Zealand

                                                  He is an advisor friend of Robert Kiyosaki
                                                  Last edited by HighRoller; 03-26-2006, 06:57 PM.

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                                                  • woj
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                                                    #26
                                                    In my opionion an asset it something that either (in somewhat simplified terms):
                                                    1. generates positive cashflow
                                                    2. appreciates in value

                                                    So if you buy a car and lease it to someone for more than your costs, depreciation, etc, then in that case it's an asset...

                                                    Same with a house, if you buy a house and it appreciates more than all your costs, then it's an asset too... it's completely irrevelant if you live in there yourself or if you rent it out..

                                                    Real businessman are WAY past worrying about what is an asset or a liability, they worry about buying assets that have highest ROI...
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                                                    • HighRoller
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                                                      #27
                                                      yep like a trailer house
                                                      for example would go down in value since it's personal property
                                                      but soon it would be paid off and cashflow nicely

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                                                      • Sly
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by HighRoller
                                                        Is Dolf De Roos big where you are?
                                                        I think he originates from New Zealand

                                                        He is an advisor friend of Robert Kiyosaki
                                                        What do you think of De Roos? My dad and I have been looking at some apartment buildings to buy, he currently owns a duplex with great cashflow and he reads a lot of De Roos. Do you like him? Have any recommendations for authors that definitely need to be read?
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                                                        • BlingDaddy
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                                                          #29
                                                          Sometimes my Assets are Liabilites.... damnit.
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                                                          • reynold
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                                                            #30
                                                            not really particular whether items are an asset or liability... i see to it that the value of whatever item i buy will appreciate in the future.

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                                                            • Logan Videos
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by woj
                                                              In my opionion an asset it something that either (in somewhat simplified terms):
                                                              1. generates positive cashflow
                                                              2. appreciates in value

                                                              So if you buy a car and lease it to someone for more than your costs, depreciation, etc, then in that case it's an asset...

                                                              Same with a house, if you buy a house and it appreciates more than all your costs, then it's an asset too... it's completely irrevelant if you live in there yourself or if you rent it out..

                                                              Real businessman are WAY past worrying about what is an asset or a liability, they worry about buying assets that have highest ROI...
                                                              I totally agree with you.

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                                                              • Doctor Dre
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                an asset is something that puts money in my pocket - and more then it takes out
                                                                well if a house gain 3.5 % value a year and you pay for it cash... consider it an asset since the repair cost aren't 3.5 % a year...
                                                                Originally posted by rayadp05
                                                                I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                                                                • woj
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                  well if a house gain 3.5 % value a year and you pay for it cash... consider it an asset since the repair cost aren't 3.5 % a year...
                                                                  there are also taxes, insurance, etc
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                                                                  • HighRoller
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                    well if a house gain 3.5 % value a year and you pay for it cash... consider it an asset since the repair cost aren't 3.5 % a year...

                                                                    and if inflation is 3.5% per year or more
                                                                    are you making anything really?

                                                                    on an all cash invested that is

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                                                                    • GTS Mark
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by KRL
                                                                      Only buy liabilies if they are deeply discounted.

                                                                      LOL! I love that one! I am going to start using it

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                                                                      • AnneT
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        The way I see it, my house is not an asset but NOT owning my house is a liability. Bit of a no-win situation.

                                                                        So long as you make decent repayments on your mortgage and get it paid off quickly. And don't buy a house you can't afford. If you are earning enough to pay for a mansion, then you should be doing something better with the money.

                                                                        Renting looks great on paper but sucks big time when you get evicted every few years coz the owner wants to sell. At least where I live anyway.

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                                                                        • SleazyDream
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by woj

                                                                          Real businessman are WAY past worrying about what is an asset or a liability, they worry about buying assets that have highest ROI...

                                                                          ummm you said the same thing twice a different way
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                                                                          • Penthouse Tony
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by AnneT
                                                                            Renting looks great on paper but sucks big time when you get evicted every few years coz the owner wants to sell. At least where I live anyway.
                                                                            I'll second that. I'm finally living in the same place for more than a year for the first time in 6 years.
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                                                                            • HighRoller
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by AnneT
                                                                              The way I see it, my house is not an asset but NOT owning my house is a liability. Bit of a no-win situation.

                                                                              So long as you make decent repayments on your mortgage and get it paid off quickly. And don't buy a house you can't afford. If you are earning enough to pay for a mansion, then you should be doing something better with the money.

                                                                              Renting looks great on paper but sucks big time when you get evicted every few years coz the owner wants to sell. At least where I live anyway.

                                                                              HighRoller - I'm off to look at your post now ;)


                                                                              Paying off your house is not the best idea

                                                                              read missed fortune 101
                                                                              or the regular version of Missed Fortune

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                                                                              • detoxed
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                Frame of thought - when you buy stuff - do you buy assets or liabilities?


                                                                                Better yet - do you buy liabilities that you tell yourself is an asset?

                                                                                examples of typical liabilities that many think are assets

                                                                                you car
                                                                                the house you live in
                                                                                your boat
                                                                                your moterbike
                                                                                cloths
                                                                                jewlry



                                                                                So what do you buy when you buy things? Assets or liabilities?

                                                                                who thinks clothes are assets? I buy both things I need and things I want.

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                                                                                • HighRoller
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Instead of liabilities and assets

                                                                                  I would say good debt and bad debt

                                                                                  that's clearly defines it more I think

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                                                                                  • AnneT
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by HighRoller
                                                                                    Paying off your house is not the best idea

                                                                                    read missed fortune 101
                                                                                    or the regular version of Missed Fortune
                                                                                    Cool. I'll go check it out.

                                                                                    Not saying I 100% agree with you but I've learnt to listen to as many opinions as possible when it comes to finance (so long as they can be backed up).

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                                                                                    • HighRoller
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Rich Dad Poor Dad is kind of the starting point
                                                                                      and he has about 18 purple and yellow books
                                                                                      about 5 from him and 12 from his advisors


                                                                                      The idea behind missed fortune is a lot of things
                                                                                      keep in mind especially on rentals
                                                                                      interest can be written off as a tax deduction
                                                                                      if you pay off your own house you lose that tax deduction
                                                                                      if you take a 7% interest rate on your house
                                                                                      and take the effective rate with deductions etc

                                                                                      might be more like 4.8% for example

                                                                                      If you always had your house 100% leveraged but had all equity in another liquid asset, can you beat 4.8%? sure you can that's easy


                                                                                      How would you like to be in a market with 100,000 houses going down in value
                                                                                      people want to walk a bad economy in certain markets?

                                                                                      If the bank had 100,000 homes not paying, which homes do you think they will take the time to foreclose on first

                                                                                      the one owing $15,000 as a balance
                                                                                      or the ones owing $200k balance?

                                                                                      equity in a house gets zero return

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                                                                                      • Webby
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by SleazyDream

                                                                                        examples of typical liabilities that many think are assets

                                                                                        you car
                                                                                        the house you live in
                                                                                        your boat
                                                                                        your moterbike
                                                                                        cloths
                                                                                        jewlry
                                                                                        Ain't no way lumps of metal such as cars, boats, bikes or clothes are assets - they are playthings - some out of necessity. Stones and metals can be, - depends on whether ya paid thru the nose for it in a "fine jewellery" store and at markups common in that biz A house can be, - depends on the financing blah.

                                                                                        Only my worth, but the best "asset" ever is pure soil in the form of land - nobody can make that, and it keeps getting shorter in supply.
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                                                                                        • reed_4
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          examples of typical liabilities that many think are assets

                                                                                          you car
                                                                                          the house you live in
                                                                                          your boat
                                                                                          your moterbike
                                                                                          cloths
                                                                                          jewlry
                                                                                          I buy jewelries and I think this is the best investment one should have.

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