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Old 03-24-2006, 01:26 PM  
Lazonby
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Originally Posted by media
I don't have hatred for Muslims... Most muslims don't have hate for anyone else.
If someone who calls themself a Muslim doesn't hate unbelievers then they are not a Muslim. It's as simple as that.

4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
5.51: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
4.56: (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
3.85: And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
3.118: O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people; they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand.
9.23: O you who believe! do not take your fathers and your brothers for guardians if they love unbelief more than belief; and whoever of you takes them for a guardian, these it is that are the unjust.
9.123: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

And so on.

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Originally Posted by media
I know MANY Muslims that are very good people...
No, you know many people who CALL themsleves Muslims, but are not actually Muslims, who are good people. Like Mr.Izzz for example, he's about as Muslim as you are.

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Originally Posted by media
for one example, a guy that works at the 7-11 down the street (I know, it sounds cliche) right after 9/11 he was in a pretty bad state of mind.. he was getting harrassed and called names, one customer even spit on him.

I saw that he was looking down and was not his usual happy self so I asked him what was wrong, and he got really upset and talked about how he was not the one who did this to our country, and how he was here to work, and to get away from the bad things of his old country, and to make things better for his familys future. Over the last 6 years of living here, I've seen him go from not knowing much english to being able to carry on a pretty good conversation with me about life and how things are going for him.
He's got the right kind of attitude, but to refer to him as a Muslim is wrong.

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Originally Posted by media
Every time I go in he is always happy to see me and is very curtious to me, and he asks how work, family, and life has been treating me.. most clerks don't give two shits about you...
Not to do down your 7/11 guy or anything. This next bit is not about him. Even though he's not, let's consider for a moment that this guy IS a Muslim. Would it be any more correct to judge Muslims by his one example as it would be to judge them by the example of the bad guys. If anyone takes a good example to define them all, it is equally logical and valid to take a bad example to define them all.

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People need to stop reading into too much of the bullshit and propoganda that is out there about other cultures..
What bullshit and what propaganda? Examples?

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Theres bad shit all over the world, it's unfortunate that religion, greed, envy, and hate fuel our world in the manor that it does...
Religion isn't the only cause of evil. What about the communists.....

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Fanatical Fundamentalists are the ones that have been brainwashed and led astray from the essential values of their religions. These are the ones that are the problems..
Could you prove to us then that Islam is a peaceful religion? Can you prove that Islamic teaching can not justify flying planes into skyscrapers? Or bombings? Or blowing up Buddhist statues?
Have you ever read the Qur'an? Of course you haven't.

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It's just like clasifying all pornographers as kiddy pornographers, even though it's a few rogue people, we all must do the same exact thing when no ones looking..
That's the worst comparison I've ever seen. Pornographers are governed by an ideology which causes them all to act the same.
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