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  • PerfectionGirls
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    • Oct 2002
    • 4484

    #1

    What the fuck has happened to the music industry?

    When Ashlee Simpson sells, wtf is next. These idiot teenieboppers have made that chick a millionaire. Guess they are not offering music classes in schools anymore.

    Where is the real talant?

    Who are the groups that actually have real musicians as members?

    Are there any?
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  • candyflip
    Carpe Visio
    • Jul 2002
    • 43074

    #2
    This is nothing new. Where have you been the past 30 years?

    Spend you some brain.
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    • AdultLocals_Max
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      • Jan 2005
      • 214

      #3
      Music, is no longer what it used to be, it is a big business now, people are doing it for the money, rather than the fame and the love of it!
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      • polish_aristocrat
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        • Jul 2002
        • 40377

        #4
        Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
        Who are the groups that actually have real musicians as members?

        Are there any?
        Rock bands
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        • th3g4me
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          • Mar 2004
          • 132

          #5
          the darkness!!!
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          • NickPapageorgio
            Confirmed User
            • Apr 2004
            • 8323

            #6
            Along with the shit there is some real talent coming out all the time. Just have to sift through it all and stay away from MTV. They program that shit into kids heads. Kids don't know what's cool until it's out on MTV and then it's hot.

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            • GatorB
              The Demon & 12clicks
              • Oct 2001
              • 18208

              #7
              When their isn't any MUSIC on MTV there is something wrong. Music has sucked in genreal for at least 15 years. I'd rather listen to 70's disco music than the crap that comes out today.

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              • NickPapageorgio
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                • Apr 2004
                • 8323

                #8
                btw... Beck is one of the most underrated artists of this decade. Give him a listen sometime.

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                • candyflip
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 43074

                  #9
                  Check out the site Pure Volume. Lots of music out there today, you're just not hearing it because it's not teenybooper pop that sells on the radio and MTV.

                  Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

                  http://www.purevolume.com/

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                  • pxxx
                    First African GFY Member
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 12114

                    #10
                    The R&B and rap industry have been good.

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                    • candyflip
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                      • Jul 2002
                      • 43074

                      #11
                      Kick back watch it crumble
                      See the drowning, watch the fall
                      I feel just terrible about it
                      That's sarcasm, let it burn

                      I'm gonna make a toast when it falls apart
                      I'm gonna raise my glass above my heart
                      Then someone shouts "That's what they get!"

                      For all the years of hit and run
                      For all the piss broke bands on VH1
                      Where did all, their money go?
                      Don't we all know

                      Parasitic music industry
                      As it destroys itself
                      We'll show them how it's supposed to be

                      Music written from devotion
                      Not ambition, not for fame
                      Zero people are exploited
                      There are no tricks, up our sleeve

                      Gonna fight against the mass appeal
                      We're gonna kill the 7 record deal
                      Make records that have more than one good song
                      The dinosaurs will slowly die
                      And I do believe no one will cry
                      I'm just fucking glad I'm gonna be
                      There to watch the fall

                      Prehistoric music industry
                      Three feet in la brea tar
                      Extinction never felt so good

                      If you think anyone would feel badly
                      You are sadly, mistaken
                      The time has come for evolution
                      Fuck collusion, kill the five

                      Whatever happened to the handshake?
                      Whatever happened to deals no-one would break?
                      What happened to integrity?
                      It's still there it always was
                      For playing music just because
                      A million reason why
                      All dinosaurs will die
                      All dinosaurs will die
                      All dinosaurs will die

                      Spend you some brain.
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                      • Sarah_Jayne
                        Now with more Jayne
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 40077

                        #12
                        Abba and the Bee Gees..that is what happened...all went to hell from there

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                        • GatorB
                          The Demon & 12clicks
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 18208

                          #13
                          Originally posted by pxxx
                          The R&B and rap industry have been good.

                          Rap music is CRAP music and the RB music today sucks too. Black music has sucked for 15 + years too. Anything from Motown before 1975 is 10X better than anything that comes out today.

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                          • NickPapageorgio
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                            • Apr 2004
                            • 8323

                            #14
                            Originally posted by pxxx
                            The R&B and rap industry have been good.
                            pffft...they have succumbed to the same cookie cutter production practices as the rest of it. Get some hard looking gangster dude with gold fronts and a big gold necklace and put him in front of 3 girls in bikinis and a Lincoln Navigator and a big house and it will go triple platinum.

                            Same thing with R&B. I can't tell Aliyah from Tatyana from Alicia Keys from Brandy.

                            Erykah Badu is the ONLY bright spot in that entire genre.

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                            • mrthumbs
                              salad tossing sig guy
                              • Apr 2002
                              • 11702

                              #15
                              Originally posted by NickPapageorgio
                              pffft...they have succumbed to the same cookie cutter production practices as the rest of it. Get some hard looking gangster dude with gold fronts and a big gold necklace and put him in front of 3 girls in bikinis and a Lincoln Navigator and a big house and it will go triple platinum.

                              Same thing with R&B. I can't tell Aliyah from Tatyana from Alicia Keys from Brandy.

                              Erykah Badu is the ONLY bright spot in that entire genre.

                              And others will say that abuot Alicia or Brandy. Thats how it works.

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                              • BlackCrayon
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 19634

                                #16
                                there are lots of great musicians out there, just don't look for them on mtv or the radio.
                                you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                • Rochard
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                                  • Dec 2001
                                  • 75767

                                  #17
                                  The music industry has changed.

                                  It's no different than our industy. Some of us do it because we love it, and some of us do it for the money. Some of us do it for both. But the truth is with good marketing you can sell anything.

                                  Any idiot with a catchy tune can make money in the music industry.
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                                  • Shoehorn!
                                    Die With Your Boots On
                                    • Oct 2003
                                    • 22872

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
                                    When Ashlee Simpson sells, wtf is next. These idiot teenieboppers have made that chick a millionaire. Guess they are not offering music classes in schools anymore.

                                    Where is the real talant?

                                    Who are the groups that actually have real musicians as members?

                                    Are there any?
                                    Corporate America got involved. It all started with MTV. Fuck MTV.

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                                    • SykkBoy2
                                      Jesus loves bacon
                                      • Feb 2001
                                      • 19969

                                      #19
                                      the music industry has always been a bit of a sham
                                      do you think Milli Vanilli or Ashlee Simpson were the first artists to lip synch and/or use studio tricks/stand-in singers?

                                      if some of you saw what happenes in the music business, you'd lose (even more) hope for humanity...
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                                      • titmowse
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                                        • Jan 2001
                                        • 5320

                                        #20
                                        disco showed the record companies that talented artists were incidental. music video enforced the strength of one-hit-wonder image bands and it's all pretty much sucked ever since.

                                        i think it started with diana ross. she is a weak singer at best. as the critics used to say, she had the perfect am radio voice. nevertheless, she was more appealing than the better singer, mary wilson and she looked good in the clothes. but i could go on forever...
                                        Last edited by titmowse; 01-16-2005, 10:49 AM.
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                                        • Hey You . . . I Know You!
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                                          • Aug 2004
                                          • 1908

                                          #21
                                          Haircut 100 ruled!!!

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                                          • KRL
                                            Entrepreneur
                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 31429

                                            #22
                                            Don't know why it went south, but it obviously did. It's become more of a packaging business now, with less emphasis on true musical talent. It's all about the look, instead of being all about the voice and the songs.

                                            You can make a lot of money off the music biz.





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                                            • GatorB
                                              The Demon & 12clicks
                                              • Oct 2001
                                              • 18208

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                                              the music industry has always been a bit of a sham
                                              do you think Milli Vanilli or Ashlee Simpson were the first artists to lip synch and/or use studio tricks/stand-in singers?

                                              if some of you saw what happenes in the music business, you'd lose (even more) hope for humanity...

                                              BIG difference betwen Milli Vanilli and Ashlee Simpson. Ashlee Simpson was using her own vioice. Milli Vanilli were lip syncing to OTHER people's voices.

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                                              • Hung Like Bull
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Apr 2004
                                                • 235

                                                #24
                                                Old man, you are 40+ years old.

                                                Times have changed.

                                                Go look up some 12 year old school girls skirts, freak.

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                                                • Hey You . . . I Know You!
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                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                  • 1908

                                                  #25
                                                  Remember when it didn?t matter if musicians were really UGLY?

                                                  In fact, some of the ugliest bastards were so talented that they somehow became good looking.

                                                  Now that is some serious talent!

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                                                  • Entropy
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                                                    • May 2004
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                                                    #26
                                                    check out pitchforkmedia.com

                                                    they are a good source for music...
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                                                    • PerfectionGirls
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                                                      • Oct 2002
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by titmowse
                                                      disco showed the record companies that talented artists were incidental. music video enforced the strength of one-hit-wonder image bands and it's all pretty much sucked ever since.

                                                      i think it started with diana ross. she is a weak singer at best. as the critics used to say, she had the perfect am radio voice. nevertheless, she was more appealing than the better singer, mary wilson and she looked good in the clothes. but i could go on forever...
                                                      Totally argree with you.

                                                      I'm a musician.. a trumpet player. I was a band director (dont fucking laugh) haha of one of the top band programs in the country... Plymouth/Canton Centenial Educational Park, in Plymouth, Michigan. I have a pretty good grasp on talant and can enjoy someone that displays a degree of talant regardless of the style. There are talanted artist in Rap, Rock and all of the styles inbetween and i like most everything... including a Mahlar Symphony or the Brandenberg's now and then.

                                                      All I ask is for some of these new groups or solo artist actually take some time to study their craft. Is that to much to ask?

                                                      Jessica Simpson is a good artist... she actually has real talant. Ashlee.... well all she has is a name. Sad.
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                                                      • Sarah_Jayne
                                                        Now with more Jayne
                                                        • Dec 2002
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Hey You . . . I Know You!
                                                        Remember when it didn?t matter if musicians were really UGLY?

                                                        In fact, some of the ugliest bastards were so talented that they somehow became good looking.

                                                        Now that is some serious talent!

                                                        I have long used the term 'ugly bands' to describe the kind of music I tend to like.

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                                                        • nico-t
                                                          emperor of my world
                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                          • 29901

                                                          #29
                                                          real music is everywhere, u just have to expand your horizon and not only listen to what mtv and the radios play.

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                                                          • hydro
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Dec 2003
                                                            • 4216

                                                            #30
                                                            Mtv really has done a good job of brainwashing kids into thinking that if its not on mtv its not cool and its not good music. Just checkout sounddomain.com for unsigned artists that actually make good music.

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                                                            • Hey You . . . I Know You!
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                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                              • 1908

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by sarah_webinc
                                                              I have long used the term 'ugly bands' to describe the kind of music I tend to like.
                                                              It is interesting just how descriptive that is! I love it!




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                                                              • titmowse
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                                                                • Jan 2001
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by PerfectionGirls
                                                                Totally argree with you.

                                                                I'm a musician.. a trumpet player. I was a band director (dont fucking laugh) haha of one of the top band programs in the country... Plymouth/Canton Centenial Educational Park, in Plymouth, Michigan. I have a pretty good grasp on talant and can enjoy someone that displays a degree of talant regardless of the style. There are talanted artist in Rap, Rock and all of the styles inbetween and i like most everything... including a Mahlar Symphony or the Brandenberg's now and then.

                                                                All I ask is for some of these new groups or solo artist actually take some time to study their craft. Is that to much to ask?

                                                                Jessica Simpson is a good artist... she actually has real talant. Ashlee.... well all she has is a name. Sad.
                                                                well, i'm generalizing of course. remember that before the 60's, most sales came from singles. the album entered into prominence in the mid 60's-early 70's. pop has always been pop. it's all about johnny bravo as far as the record companies are concerned. now we've come full circle. you don't find many record companies pushing artists that are capable of creating a whole album/cd of songs, much less more than one album/cd. they want the green. fuck the bollocks!
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                                                                • PerfectionGirls
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                                                                  • Oct 2002
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Hey You . . . I Know You!

                                                                  Music fans FEAR NOT . . . .Jamie Lynn Spears, the younger sister of pop star Britney Spears will SAVE US!
                                                                  Oh for the love of God!




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                                                                  • mardigras
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                                                                    • Feb 2003
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Real talent can't be controlled by record companies so it was eliminated from the mainstream (at least a decade ago, where ya been?).
                                                                    If you want real music you have to get away from radio and MTV.
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                                                                    • BRISK
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                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                      • 12240

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by AdultLocals_Max
                                                                      Music, is no longer what it used to be, it is a big business now, people are doing it for the money, rather than the fame and the love of it!
                                                                      Sad and true

                                                                      It's all about a packaged image for your consumption.

                                                                      There's no heart, there's no soul, there's just $$$$$$$$$$
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                                                                      • TheMob
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                                                                        • Jan 2003
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        what do you mean? ashlee is amazing!

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                                                                        • PerfectionGirls
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                                                                          • Oct 2002
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                          Real talent can't be controlled by record companies so it was eliminated from the mainstream (at least a decade ago, where ya been?).
                                                                          If you want real music you have to get away from radio and MTV.
                                                                          Im aware of several groups where real talant is present. It not been decades either. Many groups I grew up with in the 70's are a prime example of talant.

                                                                          Boston, Aerosmith and the Eagals just to name a few. Proof of their talant is that their music is still relavent today. Even Metalica in its yearly days wasa group over amazinf musicans that understood the craft.

                                                                          Dont get me wrong, theres a couple groups out there now that are really strong. Green Day is a group with a ton of musical talant. I think Linkin Park is another fine group. Norah Jones, Alicia Keyes are two very talanted solo artist. Eminem is by far the most talanted rapper I have ever heard.. not sure he has musical talant, but for what he does, no one is better in my book. Nelly is prolly the most musically talanted rapper out now in my opinion. Not sure if he was ever trained musically, but his songs make musical sense.
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                                                                          • dcortez
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                                                                            • Jun 2003
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by sarah_webinc
                                                                            Abba and the Bee Gees..that is what happened...all went to hell from there
                                                                            I couldn't agree more

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                                                                            • pxxx
                                                                              First African GFY Member
                                                                              • Mar 2004
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              we need to go back to old school music.

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                                                                              • fl_prn_str
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                                                                                • Aug 2004
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                is all because of Milli Vanilli and Vanilla Ice.

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                                                                                • axelcat
                                                                                  Adult Locals
                                                                                  • Jun 2002
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  ashley really sucks

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                                                                                  • Pornwolf
                                                                                    Drunk and Unruly
                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                    • 22712

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by titmowse
                                                                                    disco showed the record companies that talented artists were incidental. music video enforced the strength of one-hit-wonder image bands and it's all pretty much sucked ever since.

                                                                                    i think it started with diana ross. she is a weak singer at best. as the critics used to say, she had the perfect am radio voice. nevertheless, she was more appealing than the better singer, mary wilson and she looked good in the clothes. but i could go on forever...
                                                                                    This is the most accurate post in the thread. Remember, before MTV there was American Bandstand. Just because it was only on once a week don't think for a second it didn't carry the same weight and brainwash the kids the same way. Same mindless teenybopper shit, different era.
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                                                                                    • Rui
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      MTV and such are the icons of how shitty the music industry become...

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                                                                                      • Teen Kai
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                                                                                        • Nov 2004
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by th3g4me
                                                                                        the darkness!!!
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                                                                                        • QuaWee
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          All you need to become popular in the music industry is to have good contacts and/or have sex appeal.
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                                                                                          • Funky Bastard
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                                                                                            • Nov 2004
                                                                                            • 2544

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            It's all about money baby get it while it's good!

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                                                                                            • Drake
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                                                                                              • Mar 2003
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              1) Because it's a business driven by money (one hit wonder after one hit wonder for the big payoff)
                                                                                              2) Because it's a business driven by image rather than music (many 70's groups wouldn't get a record deal now, because their members too "ugly" for tv)
                                                                                              3) Because a switch to 24/7 music tv stations forced companies to keep pushing new material to keep people watching their music tv station. If they didn't we'd complain that they keep playing the same tired videos.
                                                                                              4) Because all the best melodies, riffs, voices, and songs have already been recorded. Music has no real future, every genre and cross genre has been exhausted. You can't have a better rock group than Zeppelin, a better reggea group than The Wailers, a better singer than Otis Redding.

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                                                                                              • Varius
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Atleast you guys can still find musical variety in your bars and clubs. Here it has become 99% latin america pop (they even stopped playing hiphop). I can find about 3 places that will play alternative/rock/metal and maybe 2 that still play hiphop/rap.

                                                                                                What makes this music worse, is they simply replay the SAME SONGS over and over in the same night. Last night I was at a outdoor festival and heard the same 1-hour set looping over 8 hours. If you don't have enough music to cover your time, why not try playing different types of music? Daaaamn

                                                                                                Another thing is 50% of the 'hits' they play, have their beats blatantly stolen from early 90s dance songs. C&C Music Factory, Real McCoy, etc.....should come down here and sue their asses. Maybe that will make them try putting a little effort in.

                                                                                                Lyrics are somehow even worse, as the current craze is a song about pumping gasoline (hopefully used as a metaphor to something else atleast)
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                                                                                                • Icon
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by BRISK
                                                                                                  Sad and true

                                                                                                  It's all about a packaged image for your consumption.

                                                                                                  There's no heart, there's no soul, there's just $$$$$$$$$$

                                                                                                  Music is currently a commodity, they package it and sell it off like cotton candy. Hip Hop (Rap music to be more precise) has paved the route for this. Nearly everything that appears on BET the Basement has obviously been selected by white sony execs to maximize the 'dumbening' (see 'the Simpsons) effect on it's viewes who are, for the majority of some african descent. it has only been the past 10 years or so where the notion itegrity and musician have become unrellated. Also, musicians are no longer artists, real artists cannot exist in a consumer society - exactly like China 1970 when all artists and itellectuals became enemies of the state under the new regime. Consumerism is imperialism, *see Lenin

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                                                                                                  • Kard63
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    I like bad pop more than hip hop


                                                                                                    p.s. angry white boy rock owns you all.

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