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Oh ok, let's ignore the fact that science has yet to, and likely will NEVER, explain the creation of the universe. You want me to believe in something that science cannot explain. It is no different than a person believing that God created the universe. It's an unknown that cannot currently be explained. An openminded person would accept this. Instead you put your faith in a belief that your way of creation is right, and everyone elses is wrong. No different than a bible thumping christian with his views of creationism.
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You really need to explain what you mean by 'greater being'. If you're talking about some kind of entity which is like Allah or Jehovah or which can think, then there is no chance whatsoever that they created creation, for those type of 'greater beings' do not exist.
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You're the spitting definition of closeminded.
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We've already covered this and we have discovered that I'm not.
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Not to mention that under your natural laws just about anything IS possible.
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Incorrect.
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Natural laws are not a constraint, technology and finite resources are.
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Natural laws are constant throughout the universe. For example, the charge on an electron here on earth is the same as on an electron on some other planet 13 billion light years away. E=MC2 applies here just as it applies on Alpha Centauri.
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You say there can be no God.
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I didn't say there cannot be a god. There can only not be an Allah-type god.
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What is a human to an ant farm?
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Ant farms are not able to apply a definition to what a human is.
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Open your mind man.
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It's more open than yours. That's obvious.
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You assume we're not ants.
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I think it would be safe for anyone to assume that we are not ants, because we are not ants.
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An ant cannot fathom our world. You assume because we're intelligent and consciously aware that we exist, that there can be nothing greater.
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I never said there could be nothing greater. There can simply be nothing like Allah or Jehovah.
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There can always be something you cannot fathom. We know this is true for all other creatures of this planet, an ant, a monkey, a fish, they cannot understand their existance.
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And this has relevance to....?
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You can teach a dog to catch a frisbee or rollover on command, but you cannot teach it math or science. A dog will never understand calculus or Einstein's theory of relativity. It's not capable of fathoming these things. Yet you assume there is not something greater that we cannot fathom.
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but we humans have already proved that we can 'fathom' these things.
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That's your belief.
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Not it's not. My, or anyone elses, beliefs are neither here nor there. Facts exist outside of the realm of beliefs.
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And while I may not agree with it, I am open to it and understand it may or may not be true. This is called openmindness. You on the other hand are very closeminded.
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Incorrect. It has already been established that no-one has proven that souls exist, so those 'in the know' have already acknowledged that and moved on to other things. It not like, whenever someone brings up the topic of souls, the possibility of their existing again magically opens up and everyone has to open their minds once again to mull it over.
Is everyone who doesn't believe in Christianity closed minded? Of course not. So why is there a special rule for you which says that people who do not believe in souls are closed minded.
If you can bring some kind of definitive proof that souls exist then great, we can mull it over, but since nobody has been able even to do that (even though a whole bunch of people seem to have cause to believe in them), then what we'll do is to discard the concept of their existing.