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3 years on and the world is less safe and we know Bush and Blair lied to us.

03-18-2006, 11:38 PM

It was three years today that Bush and Blair decided to invade Iraq. The real reasons are still unclear. There were no WMD, he had little links with fundementalist groups, he was no threat to the West.

Today we have a worse problem with terrorism, ruling Iraq is clearly not going to happen and Iran is building a nuclear capability that the West can do little about. Do you think saddam would of allowed Iran to have a nuclear bomb?

The profit from the oil is not going to materialise. The expected profits from the construction work will not be there as well. no way can you build of any significance in the present situation.Unless you are supplying the troops with weapons.

When the US/UK troops do pull out the countyr will be taken over by a Shia fundementalist group that will be as Annti the West as Iran. and will be a haven for terrorists.

As for making Iraq a democracy and pro West, welll that excuse holds less water then the WMD excuse.

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03-18-2006, 11:45 PM

I agree with everything you said here, I just started a new blog yesterday for my own little political rants - it looks like ass right now but i'll make it pretty later.

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03-18-2006, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

It was three years today that Bush and Blair decided to invade Iraq. The real reasons are still unclear.

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03-18-2006, 11:55 PM

Released Saddam papers hint at links to Al-Qaeda
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NEWLY released documents seized in Iraq immediately after the American invasion in 2003 point to the presence of Al-Qaeda members in the country before the war and moves to hide traces of hahaha8220;chemical or biological materialshahaha8221; from United Nations weapons inspectors.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...092460,00.html
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03-18-2006, 11:58 PM

i had a hunch that these politicians were up to no good.
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03-19-2006, 12:18 AM

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03-19-2006, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

It was three years today that Bush and Blair decided to invade Iraq. The real reasons are still unclear.

Unclear to who? Here is a nicely timed article.

The Israel Lobby

John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt
(March 23, 2006 Issue)

Two professors from Harvard University and the University of Chicago have just released an 81-page study on "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" that concludes that the "overall thrust of U.S. policy in the [Middle East] is due almost entirely to U.S. domestic politics, and especially to the activities of the 'Israel Lobby.'" ...

(continued...) - http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html

PDF Report - http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Researc...6_011_walt.pdf

Shorter version without footnotes - http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html

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03-19-2006, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by Chief

Unclear to who? Here is a nicely timed article.

The Israel Lobby

John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt
(March 23, 2006 Issue)

Two professors from Harvard University and the University of Chicago have just released an 81-page study on "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" that concludes that the "overall thrust of U.S. policy in the [Middle East] is due almost entirely to U.S. domestic politics, and especially to the activities of the 'Israel Lobby.'" ...

(continued...) - http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html

PDF Report - http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Researc...6_011_walt.pdf

Shorter version without footnotes - http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html

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03-19-2006, 03:33 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

It was three years today that Bush and Blair decided to invade Iraq. The real reasons are still unclear. There were no WMD, he had little links with fundementalist groups, he was no threat to the West.

Today we have a worse problem with terrorism, ruling Iraq is clearly not going to happen and Iran is building a nuclear capability that the West can do little about. Do you think saddam would of allowed Iran to have a nuclear bomb?

The profit from the oil is not going to materialise. The expected profits from the construction work will not be there as well. no way can you build of any significance in the present situation.Unless you are supplying the troops with weapons.

When the US/UK troops do pull out the countyr will be taken over by a Shia fundementalist group that will be as Annti the West as Iran. and will be a haven for terrorists.

As for making Iraq a democracy and pro West, welll that excuse holds less water then the WMD excuse.

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03-19-2006, 03:37 AM

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Do you think saddam would of allowed Iran to have a nuclear bomb?

Idiotic.

Exactly what do you think he could have done about it?
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03-19-2006, 05:12 AM

Sad as it may be, some countries need a dictator.. Our move toward Iraq and taking out Hussein opened up a can of worms that has created a clusterfuck that won't be fixed in our lifetime.. if ever..
Bush was in such a hurry to get in there, that he went in blind and underestimated their abilities and strengths.. Now we have more problems than we can handle.. and they won't just go away.. When a president ignores the military leaders' advice on military matters, something is bad wrong..
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03-19-2006, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by Chief

Unclear to who? Here is a nicely timed article.

The Israel Lobby

John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt
(March 23, 2006 Issue)

Two professors from Harvard University and the University of Chicago have just released an 81-page study on "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" that concludes that the "overall thrust of U.S. policy in the [Middle East] is due almost entirely to U.S. domestic politics, and especially to the activities of the 'Israel Lobby.'" ...

(continued...) - http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html

PDF Report - http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Researc...6_011_walt.pdf

Shorter version without footnotes - http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html

Let's not forget that this study was funded from a fellowship created by one of the Prince of Saudi Arabia. Putting any value on it would be like accepting an Halliburton study showing that oil should be increased to $100 a barrel for the well being of the Armenian geese.

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03-19-2006, 05:57 AM

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Let's not forget that this study was funded from a fellowship created by one of the Prince of Saudi Arabia.

By all means let's not forget that, although it is probably worth pointing out that it is hardly in the interests of Saudi Arabia to knock US foreign policy. Without it, the present regime would likely have been overthrown long ago. Also I believe you will find that after the pharmaceutical/health industry, the pro-Israel lobby is the richest in Washington.

US foreign policy towards the Middle East has been unchanged in three-quarters of a century. If Americans studied more than a sanitized version of their own history at school, it might not have been so easy for George Bush to re-invent the realities of that region. But obviously he had read enough history to remember Goering at Nuremberg: "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
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03-19-2006, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by PussyMan

Let's not forget that this study was funded from a fellowship created by one of the Prince of Saudi Arabia. Putting any value on it would be like accepting an Halliburton study showing that oil should be increased to $100 a barrel for the well being of the Armenian geese.

Lets not forget you are a racist Zionist, and that the loose affiliation with a Saudi Prince is no comparison to the affiliation the US Government has with Zionists. The fact is this is a very well laid study by two educated individuals on an issue that most people are too afraid to discuss. To most educated people the influence Zionists have in America is absolutely no suprise, and each and every day more and more educated people realise it.

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03-19-2006, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by Chief

Lets not forget you are a racist Zionist, and that the loose affiliation with a Saudi Prince is no comparison to the affiliation the US Government has with Zionists. The fact is this is a very well laid study by two educated individuals on an issue that most people are too afraid to discuss. To most educated people the influence Zionists have in America is absolutely no suprise, and each and every day more and more educated people realise it.

Let's not forget that you are one dumb mother fucker...

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03-19-2006, 06:15 AM

I guess gassing hundreds of thousands of Kurds is acceptable in today's world. Also, raping and killing for fun is also acceptable. The Bush and Blair are evil demons!!! Off with their heads!
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03-19-2006, 06:26 AM

Originally posted by TheSpreader

I guess gassing hundreds of thousands of Kurds is acceptable in today's world. Also, raping and killing for fun is also acceptable. The Bush and Blair are evil demons!!! Off with their heads!

Do you know when the Kurds were gassed? Do you know how many years and Presidents have passed since? Why are you so suddenly concerned about gassing Kurds after all these years? Why didn't anybody mention this BEFORE we invaded Iraq? Back then, the invasion of Iraq was necessary because of immanent danger of WMD!

Raping and killing for fun? Like torture and killing Iraqi civilians by the U.S.? The rape and sexual assaults that occurred within US prison camps were just part of exposing the enemy's plans. Is that what you mean? Don't fall for the crap spewed by this bone headed President.
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03-19-2006, 06:28 AM

argue argue argue.... meanwhile no one steps up and says "yeah, they went in saying there were WMD's... there weren't. They lied."

instead they distract with "let's look at what changes have taken place" and then it becomes a "who can focus on certain points the strongest" debate.

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03-19-2006, 06:29 AM

What are you talking about. The oil profits are there, just look at the latest figures for Exxon-mobil and all the rest. Record obscene profits. As for the rebuilding. Your buddies at Haliburton are doing just fine, and when Cheney gets out of office, he will be too!

This has nothing to do with Israel or wmd's or security. This whole war is about profits of the corporations that are running the world.
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03-19-2006, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by TheSpreader

I guess gassing hundreds of thousands of Kurds is acceptable in today's world.

Considering the number of Iraqis who have died as a consequence of US foreign policy since the first Gulf War, one must assume you are more concerned about how innocents die, than about how many. Saddam Hussein was a monster by many peoples' standards, but inflicting suffering on more people than even he affected was surely not a logical, let alone ethical response.

And are you only concerned with governments which cause death by their actions, or also with those which cause death by their inactions? If the value of human life itself is the standard, you might note this comment from Washington University: "If you survive infancy and early childhood you are better off [in terms of longevity] almost anywhere in the world other than in your own American neighborhood if it is extremely economically distressed".

There is now a 20-year disparity between the life expectancy of males living in our own capital city, depending on where in Washington they live. Should we not replace the glass walls of our house with something more solid before we start throwing rocks at someone else?
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03-19-2006, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by jayeff

Considering the number of Iraqis who have died as a consequence of US foreign policy since the first Gulf War, one must assume you are more concerned about how innocents die, than about how many. Saddam Hussein was a monster by many peoples' standards, but inflicting suffering on more people than even he affected was surely not a logical, let alone ethical response.

And are you only concerned with governments which cause death by their actions, or also with those which cause death by their inactions? If the value of human life itself is the standard, you might note this comment from Washington University: "If you survive infancy and early childhood you are better off [in terms of longevity] almost anywhere in the world other than in your own American neighborhood if it is extremely economically distressed".

There is now a 20-year disparity between the life expectancy of males living in our own capital city, depending on where in Washington they live. Should we not replace the glass walls of our house with something more solid before we start throwing rocks at someone else?

Why even bother answering? gassing kurds. Yes, that's why we went to Iraq. To prevent that from happening. Ha... right!
Somehow, I don't think "saddam gassed kurds" is the proper response to "so where are the wmd's?"

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03-19-2006, 07:07 AM

can't be all that bad Paul.
you are still taking pictures of naked girls who are down on their luck and need money.
for an old pervert like you I would say things are pretty good actually.

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03-19-2006, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by spanky part 2

What are you talking about. The oil profits are there, just look at the latest figures for Exxon-mobil and all the rest. Record obscene profits. As for the rebuilding. Your buddies at Haliburton are doing just fine, and when Cheney gets out of office, he will be too!

This has nothing to do with Israel or wmd's or security. This whole war is about profits of the corporations that are running the world.

That can't be true! We know this because George W. Bush has treated every WMD threat to the United States the same!

North Korea told GW that they have WMD and that he should go fuck himself. We instantly diverted all of our attention from finding those who executed 9/11 and . . . No wait, we had already turned away from Bin Laden and the terrorists who executed the attack on the U.S. to invade the country of Iraq becuase we were certain that they had WMD, so we instantly left Iraq for the WMD threat in North Korea who said, HEY GW, WE GOT NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND YOU CAN FUCK A GOAT!

We've been involved in the invasion of North Korea ever since. We have a list of countries who hate the United States and who actually HAVE WMD so we will begin at the top and invade each until we subdue the WMD threat and spread Democracy to everyone! The world will be safe and free and democratized!!!!!!!!!!!

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03-19-2006, 07:50 AM

well said its a fucked up state of affairs
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03-19-2006, 08:07 AM

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Saddam Hussein was a monster by many peoples' standards,

Yes, but when he was in power, there were no muslim extremists/terrorists in Iraq.
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03-19-2006, 08:16 AM

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Yes, but when he was in power, there were no muslim extremists/terrorists in Iraq.

Hence my reason for saying some countries need a dictator..

Some people don't know how to live as we do.. and for Bush to go in thinking he can turn that around after soooo many years just shows his real reason for going in at all..

As far as all of the killings with Hussein... That was the farthest thing from Bush's mind.. just something else to put on his list of why to go..

What about Ruwanda? A hell of a lot more people were murdered there, but not a big hooplah about it.. Lots of countries are murdering lots of people and Iraq is the only one that is picked out.. gee.. wonder why?
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03-19-2006, 08:27 AM

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NEWLY released documents seized in Iraq immediately after the American invasion in 2003 point to the presence of Al-Qaeda members in the country before the war...

So..sort of like the UK, USA, most (all?) of Europe, just about all of the Far East/Arabia etc etc. I suppose just before the war it could be claimed the USA had a few less as they'd blown themselves up but there're no doubt still a few lying low.

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03-19-2006, 08:41 AM

screw politics
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03-19-2006, 08:53 AM

now:

STAY THE COURSE !!!!

What a bunch of idiots

I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....
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03-19-2006, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by sfera

screw politics

sorry, you got it wrong:

politics screw you

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03-19-2006, 08:58 AM

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Hence my reason for saying some countries need a dictator..

Sad statment, but to the point and thruthfull...

Look at Haiti ... mess since Duvallier ( father ) left.

Africa, they are fighting between each other ... on and on and on ...

Afghanistan is a bit better, since the US has installed their new puppet dictator.

I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....
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03-19-2006, 09:04 AM

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Spinach?? We fucking went to war for spinach??? that's fucked up.
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03-19-2006, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by PussyMan

Let's not forget that this study was funded from a fellowship created by one of the Prince of Saudi Arabia. Putting any value on it would be like accepting an Halliburton study showing that oil should be increased to $100 a barrel for the well being of the Armenian geese.

You do realize that haliburton does not in anyway produce or refine oil right?

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03-19-2006, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by TheSpreader

I guess gassing hundreds of thousands of Kurds is acceptable in today's world. Also, raping and killing for fun is also acceptable. The Bush and Blair are evil demons!!! Off with their heads!

SO I guess this is acceptable to you

To all you Bush supporters that backed this war you are just as responsible for this shit as Bush is. Sleep well?
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03-19-2006, 10:37 AM

Y'know it doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to figure out what the fuck is going on!

National Security? Patriot Act? Fucking bullshit!

If there was that much national security then no fucking dope would be getting into the country!

Since 911 there hasn't been one slowdown of narcotics entering the U.S. Even when the fucking planes and trains were shut down dope was still flowing.

When we blew the fuck out of Afghanistan, dope is still flowing.

When the fucking 'Acts of God' hurricanes hit dope hasn't slowed down.

So what is this shit about national security??? It's fucking bullshit! Fucking Afghanistan is pumping out more opium than ever and we have troops there!

Everything is for fucking sale and yes the Israeli lobbyists as well as other lobbyists have been buying the whore we've become.

Now all of a sudden the big news services are coming down on Bush and his administration like a ton of bricks YEARS after the fucking fact!

I couldn't believe my eyes when I was watching ABC's 'This Week' and even the right winger George Will was bashing Bush. That's un-fucking-precedented for him.

I'll eat my hat if Rush Limbaugh suddenly joins in. In three fucking years in Iraq the best we could achieve is elevating the country into a civil war?

The only reason 911 occured is because all the security that was supposed to be there was lax so swag and dope could be distributed and the terrorists took advantage of that shit. Mark my words, Turkey is gonna show up on the radar as behind a lot of this shit.

Everyone wants to blame Israel for this and that and sure they're down with the crew but they're no where near the bad guys.

This is some 'Hidden Sith Lord' shit and when the light of day finally hits the crack of asses you'll find out whose been shitting in our hats.
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03-19-2006, 11:12 AM

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SO I guess this is acceptable to you?

To all you Bush supporters that backed this war you are just as responsible for this shit as Bush is. Sleep well?

BUT, those kids are FREE! They will soon be able to vote in a Democratic election to elect people of our, oops, I mean their choice!

You need to look past all of the blood and pain and realize that we know what is best for certain companies and people to profit . . . especially in oil producing countries.

One more thing, notice how those kids aren't crying? They are HAPPY to see Dick Cheney and George Bush spreading freedom and democracy throughout the world . . . ok, in this one oil producing country. Well, whatever.
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03-19-2006, 11:32 AM

It's all about the bubblin crude.

Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea.
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03-19-2006, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by G-Rotica

It's all about the bubblin crude.

Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea.

Srsly can you show us getting one drop of Iraq oil, or profiting somehow?
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03-19-2006, 11:45 AM

I am just waiting for Paul to return and turn this into some kind of spam.
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03-19-2006, 11:47 AM

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Srsly can you show us getting one drop of Iraq oil, or profiting somehow?

Kind of hard when the refineries and pipelines keep getting destroyed.
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03-19-2006, 12:08 PM

i didnt know there were so many saddamm-lovers on this board.
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03-19-2006, 12:10 PM

Paul, the outcome of politics, is war in every single instance . . .
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