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Military Has Discharged 26 Gay Linguists

01-14-2005, 11:17 PM

This line really hit me hard.

"The military is placing homophobia well ahead of national security,"

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...tary_linguists

What do you think?

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01-14-2005, 11:18 PM

Homosexuals are gay.
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01-14-2005, 11:23 PM

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01-14-2005, 11:23 PM

I think that anything that helps turn this war into a neverending nightmare for the Bush administraion is a good thing.

On a side note, I think that gays should be allowed to serve in the military. Homosexuals should not be denied the right to volunteer to be fresh meat for the capitalist system.
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01-15-2005, 01:56 AM

Jeez, I can't fucking belive this country in at times, we're at war and they are more concerned with who their translators are sleeping with.

Someone should remind them if this "Don't ask, don't tell" policy was in place during WWII, we might either still be at war, or I'd be typing this in german as many of the top cryptographers at the time were gay.

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01-15-2005, 02:07 AM

wonder who will liberate them
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01-15-2005, 04:58 AM

Maybe they wanted their hetero soldiers to be safe in the barracks also? ROFL
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01-15-2005, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by Joe Citizen

I think that anything that helps turn this war into a neverending nightmare for the Bush administraion is a good thing.

On a side note, I think that gays should be allowed to serve in the military. Homosexuals should not be denied the right to volunteer to be fresh meat for the capitalist system.

Homosexuals are allowed to serve in the military. They are made aware that they cannot announce the fact that they are homosexual and they are made aware that they cannot engage in homosexual conduct...during their term of enlistment. Some of them simply do not have enough self control to abide by the regulations for the two-six years of their initial enlistment or do not want to fulfill their contractual military obligation...thus they violate the regulations. They...like all soldiers...must follow regulations or they are subject to pay consequences for their disobedience of regulations.

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01-15-2005, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by CET

This line really hit me hard.

"The military is placing homophobia well ahead of national security,"

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...tary_linguists

What do you think?

The military is not placing homophobia ahead of national security. The military is applying obedience to regualtions...for all of its personell...and homosexuals are not excluded from obedience to regulations...nor are those personell with select MOS's.

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01-15-2005, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by theking

Homosexuals are allowed to serve in the military. They are made aware that they cannot announce the fact that they are homosexual and they are made aware that they cannot engage in homosexual conduct...during their term of enlistment. Some of them simply do not have enough self control to abide by the regulations for the two-six years of their initial enlistment or do not want to fulfill their contractual military obligation...thus they violate the regulations. They...like all soldiers...must follow regulations or they are subject to pay consequences for their disobedience of regulations.

So straight guys don't sleep with 1 or more women? It's hypocritical. A limitation to a soldier stating that their conduct can't interfere with/or be on military property, but you shouldn't say specifically "homosexual conduct" ...

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01-15-2005, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by Nysus

So straight guys don't sleep with 1 or more women? It's hypocritical. A limitation to a soldier stating that their conduct can't interfere with/or be on military property, but you shouldn't say specifically "homosexual conduct" ...

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Call it "hypocritical" or whatever you want to call it. The military made this descision many years ago...it is regulation...and all soldiers are required to obey regulations. Homosexuals are not required to serve in the military...they volunteer for the military...and are made aware of the regulations. When they choose to violate the regulations they are discharged...end of story.

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01-15-2005, 08:31 AM

I still do not understand why homosexuals are banned from the army

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01-15-2005, 10:10 AM

I don't think butch lesbians are banned from the military, in fact I think they like them, cause the're so tough!

Gay linguists... probably all talked with a lisp, that's really why they got fired, if you're a linguist, you just can't talk with a lisp

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01-15-2005, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by theking

Homosexuals are allowed to serve in the military. They are made aware that they cannot announce the fact that they are homosexual and they are made aware that they cannot engage in homosexual conduct...during their term of enlistment. Some of them simply do not have enough self control to abide by the regulations for the two-six years of their initial enlistment or do not want to fulfill their contractual military obligation...thus they violate the regulations. They...like all soldiers...must follow regulations or they are subject to pay consequences for their disobedience of regulations.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Explain to me, then, why it is written in the regulations that any sexual intercourse other than "missionary position" is illegal as well for soldiers "during their term of enlistment", (or any uniformed member of the US armed forces), and yet no one gets called on that one?
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Ever hear of a straight man or woman getting court martialed for a blowjob or anal sex, (without other extrenuating circumstances, i.e., "Corps whores", promotions, fraternization, etc. between heterosexuals)?

If you think that the US military isn't homophobic, you're out of your mind. Anything they can get against you will be used against you, especially if you're gay. Why the hell do you think the damn sodomy laws are in place?

Basically what the USAFs are saying is, "Yeah, you're gay. You can fight, you can die, you can drink, but you can't get laid."

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01-15-2005, 10:33 AM

I guess they weren't very CUNNING linguists..

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01-15-2005, 10:35 AM

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I guess they weren't very CUNNING linguists..

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01-15-2005, 10:38 AM

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I still do not understand why homosexuals are banned from the army

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01-15-2005, 10:54 AM

I think that they should let the lesbians stay.

I heard that they are cunning-linguists.

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01-15-2005, 11:01 AM

I'm with theking. Who cares if a terrorist act happens because there wasn't someone to translate some critical information as long as the military can uphold it's ironclad policy of discrimination

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01-15-2005, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Tala

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Explain to me, then, why it is written in the regulations that any sexual intercourse other than "missionary position" is illegal as well for soldiers "during their term of enlistment", (or any uniformed member of the US armed forces), and yet no one gets called on that one?
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It is unnatural carnal copulation for a person to take into that person's mouth or anus the sexual organ of another person or of an animal; or to place that person's sexual organ in the mouth or anus of another person or of an animal; or to have carnal copulation in any opening of the body, except the sexual parts, with another person; or to have carnal copulation with an animal.

U.S. Department of Defense, Manual for Courts-Martial, 1998, 51(c).

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Ever hear of a straight man or woman getting court martialed for a blowjob or anal sex, (without other extrenuating circumstances, i.e., "Corps whores", promotions, fraternization, etc. between heterosexuals)?

If you think that the US military isn't homophobic, you're out of your mind. Anything they can get against you will be used against you, especially if you're gay. Why the hell do you think the damn sodomy laws are in place?

Basically what the USAFs are saying is, "Yeah, you're gay. You can fight, you can die, you can drink, but you can't get laid."

It is not written "in the regulations that any sexual intercourse other than "missionary position" is illegal."

Basically "what the USAF's are saying is"...all soldiers must obey regulation...irregardless of MOS...and irregardless of your personell approval...or lack there of...of a particular regulation.

The same applies in the civilian world...one is required to obey law...irregardless of ones personal approval...or lack there of...of a particular law.

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01-15-2005, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by erehwon

Someone should remind them if this "Don't ask, don't tell" policy was in place during WWII, we might either still be at war, or I'd be typing this in german as many of the top cryptographers at the time were gay.

How do you know that?
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01-15-2005, 01:22 PM

i dont think that is a good idea.
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01-15-2005, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by theking

Some of them simply . . . do not want to fulfill their contractual military obligation....

Most likely the case.
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01-15-2005, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Tala

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Explain to me, then, why it is written in the regulations that any sexual intercourse other than "missionary position" is illegal as well for soldiers "during their term of enlistment", (or any uniformed member of the US armed forces), and yet no one gets called on that one?

Because straight guys don't feel the need to describe their sexual encounters to their superiors?

Don't ask, don't tell applies to more than just homosexuals.
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01-15-2005, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by erehwon

Jeez, I can't fucking belive this country in at times, we're at war and they are more concerned with who their translators are sleeping with.

Someone should remind them if this "Don't ask, don't tell" policy was in place during WWII, we might either still be at war, or I'd be typing this in german as many of the top cryptographers at the time were gay.

Maybe you should be reminded that the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy is a relatively new policy. During the 2nd World War...they did ask and if you stated that you were a homosexual you would be denied the previlige of serving in the military...thus serving their country. The "don't ask, don't tell" allows homosexuals the previlige of serving in the military...thus serving their country.

Thanks BadDog...I had over looked this post.

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