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  • riddler
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2004
    • 3726
    #1

    I'm hitting a dead spot :(

    Ok, If your a troll fuck off.


    I've hit a dead spot of making money

    I submit galleries out the ass all the time and never convert, I'm thinking about buying about 50 dollars in adwords to see if i can get my return on investment, It's so tough making money honestly and not being a scammer or a spammer
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    • Napolean
      Misanthropic Egalitarian
      • Nov 2002
      • 4330
      #2
      how many sites do you submit to? and how much traffic you getting?

      might need to just tweak your methods a bit
      HAH! FOUND IT FRIS

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        • riddler
          Confirmed User
          • Oct 2004
          • 3726
          #3
          Originally posted by Napolean
          how many sites do you submit to? and how much traffic you getting?

          might need to just tweak your methods a bit
          i submit to almost all amateur, cum, niche sites in the chameleon database excluding the ones that need partner accounts which im working on applying to abunch, but like ive sent mobbucks 1000 hits and only converted one signup at 6 bux heh, just getting real irritating hearing all these people on here thats been in the business less time than me making 3-4k a month, but the diffrence is they spam i dont

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            • th3g4me
              Confirmed User
              • Mar 2004
              • 132
              #4
              maybe u should start making free sites !
              I am too good for a signature

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                • riddler
                  Confirmed User
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 3726
                  #5
                  When I did my site on deluxepass I got pretty good signups for the little submitting galleries i did, But i gave up on that a few months ago to see if I could make any money promoting other programs but i've had no luck at all, I'm currently revising my dp site to start promoting that again

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                    • riddler
                      Confirmed User
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 3726
                      #6
                      Originally posted by th3g4me
                      maybe u should start making free sites !
                      I hear that alot but what exactly is a free site?

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                        • Napolean
                          Misanthropic Egalitarian
                          • Nov 2002
                          • 4330
                          #7
                          Originally posted by MrC
                          i submit to almost all amateur, cum, niche sites in the chameleon database excluding the ones that need partner accounts which im working on applying to abunch, but like ive sent mobbucks 1000 hits and only converted one signup at 6 bux heh, just getting real irritating hearing all these people on here thats been in the business less time than me making 3-4k a month, but the diffrence is they spam i dont
                          you gotta try to send at least 5k to a sponsor a month before you decide to throw in the towel

                          and the guys making $3-4k/month have been in the biz a long time and have thousands of galleries and free sites up, or use other methods

                          the other half of the guys making $3-4k/month are usually liars

                          try and figure how much traffic each tgp is getting you, if you have webalizer it works great.

                          kill any sites that arent sending you more than 1000 hits a month, and add differant ones.

                          try to be strategic about it, also posting a few samples of your galleries here might help you out.. some people here would be happy to try to give you pointers
                          HAH! FOUND IT FRIS

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                            • Napolean
                              Misanthropic Egalitarian
                              • Nov 2002
                              • 4330
                              #8
                              Originally posted by MrC
                              I hear that alot but what exactly is a free site?
                              basically 3 thumbnail galleries, linked together from an ad page, and a warning page linking to the main page

                              check green guys link-o-rama or richards realms free sites listings for some examples
                              HAH! FOUND IT FRIS

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                                • th3g4me
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Mar 2004
                                  • 132
                                  #9
                                  A free site is a page you make to submit to link lists.

                                  It has 4 pages usally.

                                  a warning page with a link to a main page and the main page has a link to 2 galleries each gallery must have 10 pics and have no more than 3 out going links.
                                  I am too good for a signature

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                                    • riddler
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Oct 2004
                                      • 3726
                                      #10
                                      Yeah, I got to figure out all the garble that weblizer spits out hehe, hard to sift through all that junk it tells you, samples here.

                                      http://www.spunklove.com/gogoauditions/t1/jackie

                                      http://www.spunklove.com/facialabuse/selena

                                      http://www.spunklove.com/cohf/erin

                                      http://www.spunklove.com/bustytramps/elizabeth

                                      http://www.spunklove.com/thecumslut/3

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                                        • riddler
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Oct 2004
                                          • 3726
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by th3g4me
                                          A free site is a page you make to submit to link lists.

                                          It has 4 pages usally.

                                          a warning page with a link to a main page and the main page has a link to 2 galleries each gallery must have 10 pics and have no more than 3 out going links.

                                          Oh ok, So these are a good start? Nice nice, Where can i get a full robust list of link lists?

                                          I think the db service on advanced submitter has a list of link lists, ill have to fire it up tommorow and look hehe

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                                            • misty_dayz
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jun 2004
                                              • 475
                                              #12
                                              If you are getting the traffic and not converting this is what you do. Go to the biggest TGP's and look at their galleries in the top spots. Now do your homework. If you submit only pic galleries...then look at them carefully. People in the top spots are usually the ones that pay for the listing. Those that pay for listings are generally those that know how to convert. Now ask yourself these questions.

                                              How big are their pics?
                                              Look at how they choose the pics....how many clothed.how many nude? How many if any "money shots"?
                                              What wording do they use to get someone to click?
                                              How many links to sponsor do they have? Where are they located?
                                              Do they have a lot of text/hype? What do they say?
                                              Design....do they go all out? plain and simple or somewhere in between?
                                              What colors do they use for text etc.?

                                              Now...look at your galleries. How do they compare? What changes can you make so that they better compare to the ones that convert?

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                                                • Napolean
                                                  Misanthropic Egalitarian
                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                  • 4330
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by MrC
                                                  Yeah, I got to figure out all the garble that weblizer spits out hehe, hard to sift through all that junk it tells you, samples here.

                                                  http://www.spunklove.com/gogoauditions/t1/jackie

                                                  http://www.spunklove.com/facialabuse/selena

                                                  http://www.spunklove.com/cohf/erin

                                                  http://www.spunklove.com/bustytramps/elizabeth

                                                  http://www.spunklove.com/thecumslut/3
                                                  your gallery layouts are muuuuch better than ones i do, apply for some partner accounts and you should see a nice increase in traffic once you get accepted to a few
                                                  HAH! FOUND IT FRIS

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                                                    • riddler
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Oct 2004
                                                      • 3726
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by misty_dayz
                                                      If you are getting the traffic and not converting this is what you do. Go to the biggest TGP's and look at their galleries in the top spots. Now do your homework. If you submit only pic galleries...then look at them carefully. People in the top spots are usually the ones that pay for the listing. Those that pay for listings are generally those that know how to convert. Now ask yourself these questions.

                                                      How big are their pics?
                                                      Look at how they choose the pics....how many clothed.how many nude? How many if any "money shots"?
                                                      What wording do they use to get someone to click?
                                                      How many links to sponsor do they have? Where are they located?
                                                      Do they have a lot of text/hype? What do they say?
                                                      Design....do they go all out? plain and simple or somewhere in between?
                                                      What colors do they use for text etc.?

                                                      Now...look at your galleries. How do they compare? What changes can you make so that they better compare to the ones that convert?
                                                      now thats a honest answer, thats good advise, keep them coming

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                                                        • riddler
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Oct 2004
                                                          • 3726
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Napolean
                                                          your gallery layouts are muuuuch better than ones i do, apply for some partner accounts and you should see a nice increase in traffic once you get accepted to a few
                                                          Could i see what your galleries look like?

                                                          Also how long have you been in the business?

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                                                            • th3g4me
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                              • 132
                                                              #16
                                                              I wouldent submit to a link list with a submitter...

                                                              try some of these link lists...

                                                              link-o-rama.com
                                                              richards-realm.com
                                                              tommys-bookmarks.com
                                                              hoes.com
                                                              penisbot.com
                                                              fetishphiles.com
                                                              wetplace.com
                                                              sextoplist.com
                                                              outlawsporn.com
                                                              freesitexxx.com
                                                              cleos-links.com
                                                              welovefreeporn.com
                                                              smutgremlins.com
                                                              linkforsex.com

                                                              remember only 6-12 recips per index page
                                                              I am too good for a signature

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                                                                • Napolean
                                                                  Misanthropic Egalitarian
                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                  • 4330
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by misty_dayz
                                                                  If you are getting the traffic and not converting this is what you do. Go to the biggest TGP's and look at their galleries in the top spots. Now do your homework. If you submit only pic galleries...then look at them carefully. People in the top spots are usually the ones that pay for the listing. Those that pay for listings are generally those that know how to convert. Now ask yourself these questions.

                                                                  How big are their pics?
                                                                  Look at how they choose the pics....how many clothed.how many nude? How many if any "money shots"?
                                                                  What wording do they use to get someone to click?
                                                                  How many links to sponsor do they have? Where are they located?
                                                                  Do they have a lot of text/hype? What do they say?
                                                                  Design....do they go all out? plain and simple or somewhere in between?
                                                                  What colors do they use for text etc.?

                                                                  Now...look at your galleries. How do they compare? What changes can you make so that they better compare to the ones that convert?
                                                                  great advice as well

                                                                  also keep in mind most ratios off galleries can be high, around 1:1200 and up, so its really important to try to be sending 5k-10k a month to the sites your promoting to make any money.

                                                                  even 10k to a site would only pull around $100 or so a month depending on the ratio and signup price

                                                                  its a game of patience and time to build that up
                                                                  HAH! FOUND IT FRIS

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                                                                    • jt420
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                                      • 2479
                                                                      #18
                                                                      submit galleries, apply for partner accounts, turn galleries into free sites, submit to link lists, turn free sites into avs sites, and be willing to try new things. dont keep all your eggs in one basket and dont give up on sponsor until your sent a reasonable deal of hits.
                                                                      I made my fortune selling pubic wigs! New program Merkin Money coming soon!

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                                                                        • riddler
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Oct 2004
                                                                          • 3726
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Napolean
                                                                          great advice as well

                                                                          also keep in mind most ratios off galleries can be high, around 1:1200 and up, so its really important to try to be sending 5k-10k a month to the sites your promoting to make any money.

                                                                          even 10k to a site would only pull around $100 or so a month depending on the ratio and signup price

                                                                          its a game of patience and time to build that up

                                                                          what its a damn long game of patience, hehe, i just cant wait to get away from a normal 9 to 5 job and make decent money from this :\

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                                                                            • riddler
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Oct 2004
                                                                              • 3726
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by jt420
                                                                              submit galleries, apply for partner accounts, turn galleries into free sites, submit to link lists, turn free sites into avs sites, and be willing to try new things. dont keep all your eggs in one basket and dont give up on sponsor until your sent a reasonable deal of hits.

                                                                              oh im not giving up, i understand its a game of waiting but i just made this thread to get more knowledge on how to play the game better

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                                                                                • Napolean
                                                                                  Misanthropic Egalitarian
                                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                                  • 4330
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by MrC
                                                                                  Could i see what your galleries look like?

                                                                                  Also how long have you been in the business?
                                                                                  mine are embarrassing, lol.. tgp isnt my main game, but

                                                                                  http://www.nappyslist.com/gals/062104/03/index.htm
                                                                                  http://www.nappyslist.com/gals/onlin...ing-wives/201/
                                                                                  http://www.nappyslist.com/gals/frost.../03/index.html

                                                                                  i only spend about 5 minutes tops on my gallery designs, and my click-thru's and gallery revenue reflects it

                                                                                  tgp was my main game more than a year ago, and i was decent at it.. but ive used my skills as a programmer to move on to other things

                                                                                  i started in 2002
                                                                                  HAH! FOUND IT FRIS

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                                                                                    • Tempest
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                                      • 10217
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Submitting galleries is a numbers game. And marketing of course as you need the click thrus.

                                                                                      Consider.. If your galleries get 100,000 views a day. You might get 500-2000 a day actually clicking thru to the sponsor. 2,000 IF your ad and/or content is good. Then depending on the quality of the traffic you might convert anywhere from 1:50 to 1:3000. And that can vary from week to week as well. Case in point, one sponsor I send maybe 1000-1500 a week to generated 4 sales last week and none this week so far.

                                                                                      So if you want to consistently make good money, you need to be talking about 1,000,000 page views a day or more. For that you're going to need partner accounts, and make sure you kiss the ass of every TGP owner so as not to get banned.

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                                                                                        • th3g4me
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                          • 132
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          I was always told make the part u want people to click on big and flashy so they look at it first.
                                                                                          I am too good for a signature

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                                                                                            • xlogger
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                                                              • 9507
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Listen to me ok. Seriously. I know a guy who makes rite now $200/day from submiting gallries alone. That is his job. And he did now do this in 1 day, 1 week or 1 month. It took him 2 years. (btw do movie gallries)

                                                                                              1st : Buy ChameleonSubmitter and ChameleonConfirmer @ http://chameleonsubmitter.com
                                                                                              2st : Make 5 really good sample galleries.
                                                                                              3st : Then just started asking for partner account @ every tgp you know, big small dont matter.
                                                                                              But if its a big tgp and you got his icq, dont just icq him and ask for partner account, first tell the guy that, hey nice site. Talk to him about 2 days and bring up the partner account the 3rd day

                                                                                              The guy i know did this for 2 years, just collecting partner account. And now he makes $200/day. So dont belive the when people say gallerie submition dont make $. I myself tried this, but it gets SOOOO boring, so i quit like the 2nd week. I did make some good $ though.

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                                                                                                • MBS Auto
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                                                                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                                                                  • 1725
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  This was a great Thread
                                                                                                  Shoes and Boot

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                                                                                                    • Napolean
                                                                                                      Misanthropic Egalitarian
                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                                      • 4330
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      also look into linkdumps, thats even more free traffic as well

                                                                                                      check your stats constantly for places you dont submit to (ie: surfer forums).. if someone linked to your gallery from a surfer forum chances are they love that kinda shit, and its usually a little more potent than tgp traffic
                                                                                                      HAH! FOUND IT FRIS

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                                                                                                        • riddler
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Oct 2004
                                                                                                          • 3726
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by MBS Auto
                                                                                                          This was a great Thread
                                                                                                          Was?

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                                                                                                            • RRRED
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                                              • 6754
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              You'll be more likely to get a partner account if you have exclusive content. I can help you with this. I'll get you some content from within the members area and if you get to the point where you can do a sale a day for us, we'll host your domain for free.

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                                                                                                                • Entropy
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                                                  • 4128
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  maybe you should back off galleries and try something else...
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                                                                                                                    • th3g4me
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                      • 132
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      mrc, how many unique hits u get a month to ur sites?
                                                                                                                      I am too good for a signature

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                                                                                                                        • xlogger
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                          • 9507
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          btw get your movie galleries at TCG!! This people aim for perfection and i am REALLY impressed by their sites and the staff!!

                                                                                                                          http://trafficcashgold.com


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                                                                                                                            • riddler
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                                                                                                                              • Oct 2004
                                                                                                                              • 3726
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by th3g4me
                                                                                                                              mrc, how many unique hits u get a month to ur sites?
                                                                                                                              Not exactly sure, Id have to go through server logs to see what my total monthly stats is.

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                                                                                                                                • siccmade
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 1641
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  The TGP game is all about partner accounts. Without them it's really hard to get anywhere. If you've been doing this for a while, just look through all of your galleries and compile a list of about 5 of what you think are your best galleries.

                                                                                                                                  Then do what xlogger said, and apply for as many partner accounts as you can. Partner accounts usually get you listed every day & in a better position than normal submits. It really makes a big difference.

                                                                                                                                  Also take the advice of turning your galleries into freesites. If you've got 2 cumshot galleries, all you need is a simple warning page and an index page pointing to the 2 galleries and you've got a freesite. & freesites usually get great SE traffic if you play around with your wording ;)

                                                                                                                                  I still get boobdollars sales from the SEs from sales I did last year. 1:20-1:50 is not usual for the se traffic, which makes it worthwhile to build those freesites ;)
                                                                                                                                  Adult XXX Hits - Adult Traffic Exchange. Get free traffic!

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                                                                                                                                    • riddler
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                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 3726
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      is there any free hosting solutions for free sites?

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                                                                                                                                        • jt420
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                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 2479
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by MrC
                                                                                                                                          is there any free hosting solutions for free sites?
                                                                                                                                          contact chris with foundrynap.com he was hooking up some free hosting on the board last week.
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                                                                                                                                            • Tempest
                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                              • May 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 10217
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by siccmade
                                                                                                                                              Then do what xlogger said, and apply for as many partner accounts as you can.
                                                                                                                                              I have to disagree with this if the TGP has a "regular" submit as well as partner accounts. I won't even look at someone asking for partner status if they haven't proved themselves by submitting in the regular queue. Practically every day we get 2-4 people asking for partner status that have never submitted to the site before. I delete the request out of hand and never respond to them. You want to get listed? Then earn it by actually submitting some good galleries for awhile.

                                                                                                                                              Once you've submitted consistently for awhile, THEN apply for a partner account and list every gallery you've submitted that they've listed.

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                                                                                                                                                • Dagwolf
                                                                                                                                                  President of Canada
                                                                                                                                                  • Sep 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 23141
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by th3g4me
                                                                                                                                                  I wouldent submit to a link list with a submitter...

                                                                                                                                                  try some of these link lists...

                                                                                                                                                  link-o-rama.com
                                                                                                                                                  richards-realm.com
                                                                                                                                                  tommys-bookmarks.com
                                                                                                                                                  hoes.com
                                                                                                                                                  penisbot.com
                                                                                                                                                  fetishphiles.com
                                                                                                                                                  wetplace.com
                                                                                                                                                  sextoplist.com
                                                                                                                                                  outlawsporn.com
                                                                                                                                                  freesitexxx.com
                                                                                                                                                  cleos-links.com
                                                                                                                                                  welovefreeporn.com
                                                                                                                                                  smutgremlins.com
                                                                                                                                                  linkforsex.com

                                                                                                                                                  remember only 6-12 recips per index page
                                                                                                                                                  Does Tommy's still charge a fee to submitters? Last time I was there he wanted a one-time payment of $50 (I hear it's worthwhile).
                                                                                                                                                  Sleep well, and dream of large women.

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                                                                                                                                                    • MetaMan
                                                                                                                                                      I AM WEB 2.0
                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 28682
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      i am gonna get straight to the point, fuck most people on here because all they care about is personal profit, understand the net, some people are years ahead of you which means you have to work 10x as hard to get anywhere, the only was i see new webmasters making a dent in this industry is a new changing idea which only comes once and a while.

                                                                                                                                                      most newbies will do crap work and low pay for years and maybe never gain anything. its a new market get the fuck out is my advice or build up a rep thats about all you can do these days for you new guys.

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                                                                                                                                                        • xlogger
                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                          • 9507
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Dagwolf
                                                                                                                                                          Does Tommy's still charge a fee to submitters? Last time I was there he wanted a one-time payment of $50 (I hear it's worthwhile).
                                                                                                                                                          Yes 1 time fee of 20$ i think. But trust me, its so fucking worth it. I dont know why he is selling it for this low, its worth more.

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                                                                                                                                                            • strobi
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                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 7383
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Why don't you stop and rethink for a minute? Why would you work your ass off submitting galleries if the max you're going to earn is like 5K/month? That's nothing after taxes. Stop thinking TGP/Galleries is the best advice I can give you.

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                                                                                                                                                                • V_RocKs
                                                                                                                                                                  Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 32451
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by MrC
                                                                                                                                                                  i submit to almost all amateur, cum, niche sites in the chameleon database excluding the ones that need partner accounts which im working on applying to abunch, but like ive sent mobbucks 1000 hits and only converted one signup at 6 bux heh, just getting real irritating hearing all these people on here thats been in the business less time than me making 3-4k a month, but the diffrence is they spam i dont
                                                                                                                                                                  I routinely make about 7K a month and have been in the business 1 year. I didn't start making any money for about 6 months and then I found my niche (not genre, but where I was supposed to be). Then after about 3 more months I found out how to grow TGP's. Then in the last 2 months I figured out Adwords. Now I am looking to make a shitload more than I am now.

                                                                                                                                                                  My guess is that you don't know how to study. Before I spend money on an Adwords campaign I study the other people already doing it. Look for where they are not optimizing their results and try to out-pace them. If they are more optimized than myself, then I can figure I just took myself to school and apply it to a campaign with another site or keywords.

                                                                                                                                                                  With TGP's the secret is so fucking insanely simple... But, it is a secret so you gotta figure it out on your own... Hint, everyone with an autosignup for trades page tells you to do it, but you should only do it once and do it for free. Also, selling raw traffic means you can buy unique traffic at no charge.

                                                                                                                                                                  Stop looking for get rich quick and realize that the people who built 500 free sites that pay them $5000 a month spent a considerable amount of time to built them. That is the final thought and hint.

                                                                                                                                                                  Good Day

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