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  • Executive Stats
    Registered User
    • Jan 2005
    • 70

    #1

    Ask me (Brad Shaw) anything for the few hours about Executive Stats

    I am not a programmer or a tech guy, but I will do the best I can to answer or get the answer.


    Fire away.
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  • Twe Russ
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    • Jan 2003
    • 3493

    #2
    Uhm no thnx.

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    • Funky Bastard
      So Fucking Banned
      • Nov 2004
      • 2544

      #3
      Are you better then nats?

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      • Manowar
        jellyfish  
        • Dec 2003
        • 71528

        #4
        Do you feel that any affiliate software that could or has been produced would 100% stop any way of Sponsors shaving their affiliates, and be able to claim that ?

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        • MBS Auto
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          • Oct 2004
          • 1725

          #5
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          • Donny
            As you wish...
            • May 2002
            • 13754

            #6
            What can a major sponsor say to me to convince me that if I used your program you wouldn't harvest the email addresses of my members and use them to promote your own programs?

            Or is that the incentive to create such software?

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            • Rhino22
              Confirmed User
              • Jan 2004
              • 2288

              #7
              BradShaw, my question to you is can you please see sig?

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              • Advanced Intellect
                Confirmed User
                • Jan 2005
                • 118

                #8
                New users of Executive Stats must be pretty low.

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                • Executive Stats
                  Registered User
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 70

                  #9
                  Originally posted by HKS
                  Are you better then nats?

                  Our fraud protection is better than NATS IMHO. Running a PPS program for 5+ years I know how important fraud protection is. ES has saved me over $10k a month by flagging fraud webmasters who had slipped through the cracks in the past. The rest of the software is as good if not better IMHO.

                  We also offer a high end solution for $25k with the code. Anyone who runs a large webmaster program can understand the benefit of having the code for customization. Without the code, you have to rely on others.

                  Are we a good solution for Johnny webmaster who just does 10 joins a day, no.

                  With that said, NATS is good. They have done a great job marketing, and I have heard VERY few complaints about the system.
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                  • Executive Stats
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                    • Jan 2005
                    • 70

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Manowar
                    Do you feel that any affiliate software that could or has been produced would 100% stop any way of Sponsors shaving their affiliates, and be able to claim that ?

                    No, nor do we make any claims about shaving that we can not back up. Other than to say if we catch someone shaving, we will kill their license. Period.
                    SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                    • LeeNoga
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jul 2001
                      • 3043

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Executive Stats
                      I am not a programmer or a tech guy, but I will do the best I can to answer or get the answer.


                      Fire away.
                      Did the little talk with Q formerly from TopBucks a long time ago about fraud control have any bearing on your product release as we know it today? Congrats, BTW :-)

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                      • Executive Stats
                        Registered User
                        • Jan 2005
                        • 70

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                        What can a major sponsor say to me to convince me that if I used your program you wouldn't harvest the email addresses of my members and use them to promote your own programs?

                        Or is that the incentive to create such software?

                        Your emails are already being sold off by your credit card processors, trust me. If you buy the code, you can lock us out of the system totally. Other than that, you have to trust who you do business with and protect yourself within the license agreement.
                        SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                        • Executive Stats
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                          • Jan 2005
                          • 70

                          #13
                          Originally posted by LeeNoga
                          Did the little talk with Q formerly from TopBucks a long time ago about fraud control have any bearing on your product release as we know it today? Congrats, BTW :-)

                          We have worked with other large programs for years to prevent fraud. All of these talks are incorporated into ES. The one thing we have that none of the other affiliate solutions can offer is experience. We have been in business for 8 years, buying traffic for 7. I have been burned by fraud many times over the years, and have taken each time as a learning experience. Let my mistakes save you $. The fraud protection in the software would pay for itself. $25k in fraud is a small % for someone doing 100's of joins a day.
                          SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                          • Donny
                            As you wish...
                            • May 2002
                            • 13754

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Executive Stats
                            Your emails are already being sold off by your credit card processors, trust me.
                            I'm going to put my fingers in my ears and scream "Na Na Na Na Na Na Na" and not listen to that because I don't want to hear it. I've heard this said many many times but don't want to believe it, particularly with CCBill. I don't think CCBill would do such a thing.

                            BUT, if they do, someone hit me up with a price list.

                            Originally posted by Executive Stats
                            If you buy the code, you can lock us out of the system totally. Other than that, you have to trust who you do business with and protect yourself within the license agreement.
                            It seems to me that if a processor would do it, a major sponsor like yourself would do it. Not only can you sell your new affiliate software to webmasters but you can then harvest the email addresses of all their members and promote your own sites to those members.

                            I guess what I'm saying is that I am a suspicious person, which is why I continue to stick with using CCBill's affiliate software. I trust them.

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                            • Executive Stats
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2005
                              • 70

                              #15
                              I will not comment on the availability of CCBILL lists. But I will say that through my experience every processor list over the years has been compromised.

                              Unfortunately, this is a DIRTY little secret. I know that our seed joins from the past get slammed with mail.
                              SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                              • Quickdraw
                                Confirmed User
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 1717

                                #16
                                Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                I'm going to put my fingers in my ears and scream "Na Na Na Na Na Na Na" and not listen to that because I don't want to hear it. I've heard this said many many times but don't want to believe it, particularly with CCBill. I don't think CCBill would do such a thing.

                                BUT, if they do, someone hit me up with a price list.
                                ... I trust them.
                                Believe it

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                                • LeeNoga
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jul 2001
                                  • 3043

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Executive Stats
                                  We have worked with other large programs for years to prevent fraud. All of these talks are incorporated into ES. The one thing we have that none of the other affiliate solutions can offer is experience. We have been in business for 8 years, buying traffic for 7. I have been burned by fraud many times over the years, and have taken each time as a learning experience. Let my mistakes save you $. The fraud protection in the software would pay for itself. $25k in fraud is a small % for someone doing 100's of joins a day.
                                  Now that the cannon fodder is out of the way, can you answer the question please :-)

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                                  • kmanrox
                                    aka K-Man
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 29295

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                    It seems to me that if a processor would do it, a major sponsor like yourself would do it.
                                    .. and especially somebody that is thought to be a schmuck and overall shady individual by many... I wouldn't even trust my phone number with Brad shaw
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                                    • Donny
                                      As you wish...
                                      • May 2002
                                      • 13754

                                      #19
                                      I am aware of the big drama in the past when a CCBill employee broke into the system and sold lists (unfortunately I heard about it AFTER it happened and wasn't able to make a purchase myself ). But that person is no longer with them and the hole was plugged. This happened at least 2 years ago from what I recall.

                                      I really don't think CCBill sells lists. If there is one company that can be trusted in this business it is CCBill.

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                                      • Donny
                                        As you wish...
                                        • May 2002
                                        • 13754

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by kmanrox
                                        .. and especially somebody that is thought to be a schmuck and overall shady individual by many... I wouldn't even trust my phone number with Brad shaw
                                        When your sig went away for awhile I was hoping it was for good. God damn I hate looking at that...

                                        People not liking it is exactly why it's there, I'm sure.

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                                        • Executive Stats
                                          Registered User
                                          • Jan 2005
                                          • 70

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by kmanrox
                                          .. and especially somebody that is thought to be a schmuck and overall shady individual by many... I wouldn't even trust my phone number with Brad shaw

                                          Kman, only people who can afford the software should post in this thread. Get along on your rickshaw.
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                                          • mrthumbs
                                            salad tossing sig guy
                                            • Apr 2002
                                            • 11702

                                            #22
                                            Brad,

                                            A. theres a typo in your banner, see sig.
                                            B. your banner animates too fast.
                                            C. is ES constructed with the same attitude?

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                                            • kmanrox
                                              aka K-Man
                                              • Oct 2001
                                              • 29295

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Executive Stats
                                              Kman, only people who can afford the software should post in this thread. Get along on your rickshaw.
                                              I've never sold my signature for money, have you?
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                                              • kmanrox
                                                aka K-Man
                                                • Oct 2001
                                                • 29295

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Executive Stats
                                                Kman, only people who can afford the software should post in this thread. Get along on your rickshaw.
                                                and FYI the only vehicle I currently own is a top-of-the-line, fully automatic $1100 scooter, mind you.
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                                                • swedguy
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                  • 7981

                                                  #25
                                                  I don't have any questions regarding ES. But I can say I liked the interface, it's quite extensive

                                                  I also found couple of things you could do to make it even better.
                                                  Last edited by swedguy; 01-12-2005, 09:03 AM.

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                                                  • kmanrox
                                                    aka K-Man
                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                    • 29295

                                                    #26
                                                    keep it up Bradley , and this thread is going to be filled up with about 400 transsexual pictures lol
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                                                    • Executive Stats
                                                      Registered User
                                                      • Jan 2005
                                                      • 70

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by mrthumbs
                                                      Brad,

                                                      A. theres a typo in your banner, see sig.
                                                      B. your banner animates too fast.
                                                      C. is ES constructed with the same attitude?

                                                      Check out the demo and decide for yourself. Spelling has never been one of strong points. But making $ is. ES will not help your spelling, but it will make you more $.
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                                                      • Executive Stats
                                                        Registered User
                                                        • Jan 2005
                                                        • 70

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by swedguy
                                                        I don't have any questions regarding ES. But I can say I liked the interface, it's quite extensive

                                                        I also found couple of things you could do to make it even better.
                                                        Glad you like it.

                                                        SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                                        • PerfectionGirls
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                          • 4484

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                          What can a major sponsor say to me to convince me that if I used your program you wouldn't harvest the email addresses of my members and use them to promote your own programs?

                                                          Or is that the incentive to create such software?

                                                          Word! That was the first thing that crossed my mind!
                                                          SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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                                                          • Head
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Nov 2003
                                                            • 8278

                                                            #30
                                                            Brad Shaw's banned from GFY.

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                                                            • mrthumbs
                                                              salad tossing sig guy
                                                              • Apr 2002
                                                              • 11702

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Executive Stats
                                                              Check out the demo and decide for yourself. Spelling has never been one of strong points. But making $ is. ES will not help your spelling, but it will make you more $.

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                                                              • ztik
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Aug 2001
                                                                • 5196

                                                                #32
                                                                Do you think your software is worth 25k? (vs hiring our own programmers - what I normally do)
                                                                Can I see an actual demo and not just screen shots?
                                                                .

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                                                                • Executive Stats
                                                                  Registered User
                                                                  • Jan 2005
                                                                  • 70

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Head
                                                                  Brad Shaw's banned from GFY.

                                                                  Retired;-)

                                                                  If I was banned, Lensman would not accept my advertising or allow me to promote my new product. I respect the fact that he does not want me marketing my board here and life goes on.
                                                                  SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                                                  • TMM_John
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                                                                    • May 2004
                                                                    • 6665

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Are you still afraid to give me a demo?


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                                                                    • kingfoo1
                                                                      Registered User
                                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                                      • 19

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Nice, i am actually impressed by something you have made. You are now above 0%

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                                                                      • Executive Stats
                                                                        Registered User
                                                                        • Jan 2005
                                                                        • 70

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by PBucksJohn
                                                                        Are you still afraid to give me a demo?

                                                                        Greg is doing demos over the phone. He has been doing these non stop for 2 days. When things slow down we will address your request. My goal is to take care of customers first.
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                                                                        • nudecanada
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                          • 793

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                                          I really don't think CCBill sells lists. If there is one company that can be trusted in this business it is CCBill.
                                                                          I don't think any processor sells lists. Employees are a whole different story.

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                                                                          • swedguy
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                            • 7981

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Executive Stats
                                                                            Glad you like it.
                                                                            Brad, hit me up on icq 252081 or call the phone number that's on account 4889. It's semi urgent, for you.

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                                                                            • magicmike
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                              • 2384

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by ztik
                                                                              Do you think your software is worth 25k? (vs hiring our own programmers - what I normally do)
                                                                              Can I see an actual demo and not just screen shots?
                                                                              I would say it is. I've seen the demo and I've bought the stats from him. Like him or not ES is a great product from SIC.

                                                                              Oh and to all of you that don't think lists ever get out from processors... you're kidding yourselves right? This was something I have seen first hand but not with the processors I'm currently using.
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                                                                              • Executive Stats
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                                                                                • Jan 2005
                                                                                • 70

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by ztik
                                                                                Do you think your software is worth 25k? (vs hiring our own programmers - what I normally do)
                                                                                Can I see an actual demo and not just screen shots?
                                                                                Believe me, this cost a lot more than $25k to create. Originally I set out to create software just to use myself,to replace the high rollers crap we were running. This was over 2 years ago, and well into 6 figures $ spent.

                                                                                Also, you have to take into consideration the time it takes to write. If someone needs software today, they need it. They can not wait months for their programmers to write it.

                                                                                Swedeguy, your sales rep will be in touch. Log in to your stats, there is a phone # and ICQ right there. I do not handle webmaster support.
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                                                                                • Nismo
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                                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                                  • 4977

                                                                                  #41
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                                                                                  • emthree
                                                                                    Dialer Kingpin
                                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                                    • 10816

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Why do you like whoring your name out so much? =))

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                                                                                    • Executive Stats
                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                      • Jan 2005
                                                                                      • 70

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      BTW, I never liked Ron Levi, but I paid $50k for high rollers software that made me millions.
                                                                                      SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                                                                      • Juicy D. Links
                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                                        • 122992

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Brad,

                                                                                        Why did god bless me with such good looks?

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                                                                                        • Rui
                                                                                          web
                                                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                                                          • 9533

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                                                          What can a major sponsor say to me to convince me that if I used your program you wouldn't harvest the email addresses of my members and use them to promote your own programs?

                                                                                          Or is that the incentive to create such software?
                                                                                          LOL that reminded me about the whole "bad list" of email addresses Brad Shaw bough from KB long time ago, and he kept bitching about it on and on and on..lol (it was even posted here)

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                                                                                          • swedguy
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                                            • 7981

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Executive Stats
                                                                                            Swedeguy, your sales rep will be in touch. Log in to your stats, there is a phone # and ICQ right there. I do not handle webmaster support.
                                                                                            It has nothing to do with webmaster support!

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                                                                                            • Jon2
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                              • 2875

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Okay...So you sell the source...

                                                                                              How would you know if a sponsor was cheating?

                                                                                              At this point I feel better trusing NATS programs as they don't sell the source...So how can someone modify it to shave?

                                                                                              You say you would kill a license of a shaver...But if they can completely lock you out...How would you know they were shaving?

                                                                                              Isn't the point of all these new admin programs is to prevent cheating on the programs from webmasters and give some confidence to the webmasters using the sponsors? As we all know these days every fucken sponsor will rip ya in a heartbeat if they think they can...

                                                                                              So I've decided at this point to only use NATS sponsors...Tell me why I should use sponsors who use your software? As I don't feel as comfortable knowing they can modify the code...

                                                                                              Jon

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                                                                                              • emthree
                                                                                                Dialer Kingpin
                                                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                                                • 10816

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Jon
                                                                                                Okay...So you sell the source...

                                                                                                How would you know if a sponsor was cheating?

                                                                                                At this point I feel better trusing NATS programs as they don't sell the source...So how can someone modify it to shave?

                                                                                                You say you would kill a license of a shaver...But if they can completely lock you out...How would you know they were shaving?
                                                                                                Exactly what I was thinking when I see such claims being made.

                                                                                                IMO NATS is still over rated, and the "no shaving" feature is just a marketing ploy to heighten their existence and heighten such software.

                                                                                                I still believe in trust and strong relationships Vs fancy 3rd party software.

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                                                                                                • Jon2
                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                                                  • 2875

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  I am just trying to understand...As I am a programmer...How software companies can back up their claims on the webmaster side of things...If they are "Locked" out of the system once they buy the software...

                                                                                                  Jon

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                                                                                                  • BradShaw
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                                                    • 7840

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    We have checks and balances in place to watch for affiliates abusing the software (shaving). I will not go into specifics.

                                                                                                    99% of the big pps programs use their own code, it is almost impossible to run a large program with the constraints of compiled code. If you really think NATS is shave proof and you only want to send your traffic there, I am not going to argue with your short sidedness.

                                                                                                    The average webmaster really does not understand shaving. It is an easy excuse for a shitty sales day. I am not saying people do not shave, look at Perfection Cash, they got caught red handed.
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