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  • iBanker
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2004
    • 2758

    #1

    2257 and why AFFILIATES should care.

    My As most of us already know, there were a handful of companies that were served at Internext by the Feds/DOJ (be it who it may) for allegations surrounding viotations of the CANSPAM act.

    Here is something on my mind, that I though I would open up for discussion. Spammers are one thing, but lets talk 2257 compliance. No person of company to my knowledge (please correct me if I'm wrong) or any stature in this industry has been popped for non-compliance.

    Imagine what happens when lets say an average pay-site based program does get nailed in non-compliance. Hypothetically speaking lets say this is the case:

    Company Name: Porn Company, Inc.
    Monthly Revenues: $1,000,000.00
    Program: 20 Sites, 30 PPS, 50/50 Rev Share
    Affiliates: 4,000
    Monthly Payout: $850,000.00

    (This is all made up, so all the haters and idiots.....well, you know....read the top of this page)

    Any company (keyword COMPANY) running a program with even one section not in compliance could be shut down virtually overnight. This means no payouts, pissed off affiliates, and court battles that could last years. People (and by this I mean webmasters alike) are pissed now about things like iBill? Just wait until the Feds and Department of Justice get the need to scratch that itch that is 2257 compliance.

    Think of the utter destruction it could do to this indusrty overnight. Feds don't "ask" companies to take down the one site that was not in compliance, they shut down everything. Everything. That means bank accounts too. And if the sites aren't up, members are sure as hell gonna bail like rats off a sinking ship.

    just my thoughts (sorry about the spelling errors, my eyes are tired)

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  • iBanker
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2004
    • 2758

    #2
    Sorry, I forgot to draw the seemingly obvious conclusion. No more program, no checks being mailed to affiliates.
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    • pornguy
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Mar 2003
      • 62910

      #3
      This is a subject that has been beat to death, but amazingly some people dont listen.
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      • Theo
        HAL 9000
        • May 2001
        • 34515

        #4
        so true.....

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        • iBanker
          Confirmed User
          • Dec 2004
          • 2758

          #5
          Originally posted by pornguy
          This is a subject that has been beat to death, but amazingly some people dont listen.
          I only bring it up based on what happened at internext. It is a matter of time.
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          • GatorB
            The Demon & 12clicks
            • Oct 2001
            • 18208

            #6
            Ok with Ashcroft leaving this 2257 will probally be put on the back burner. Secondly no one has EVER been "popped" for the existing 2257 rules since they have been law, which is over a dozens years now.

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            • NaughtyRob
              Two fresh affiliate progs
              • Nov 2004
              • 29602

              #7
              Before you get "popped" contact me. I have a cure for your woes....
              http://www.my2257.com
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              • pornguy
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Mar 2003
                • 62910

                #8
                also, if they try to nail you for spam, and can't, they may switch to 2257. Those fuckers will grab at straws to get their point across, and end the evil porn.
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                • Mr.Fiction
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                  • Feb 2002
                  • 9484

                  #9
                  Originally posted by GatorB
                  Ok with Ashcroft leaving this 2257 will probally be put on the back burner. Secondly no one has EVER been "popped" for the existing 2257 rules since they have been law, which is over a dozens years now.
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                  • azguy
                    Confirmed User
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 5167

                    #10
                    I think that this industry will somewhat change in early 2006. Don't know how exactly, but it will be totally different.

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                    • iBanker
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                      • Dec 2004
                      • 2758

                      #11
                      Originally posted by GatorB
                      Ok with Ashcroft leaving this 2257 will probally be put on the back burner. Secondly no one has EVER been "popped" for the existing 2257 rules since they have been law, which is over a dozens years now.
                      Thats seems like an intelligent train of thought.

                      "It hasn't happened, so it won't"
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                      • Snake Doctor
                        I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                        • Mar 2001
                        • 13449

                        #12
                        The answer is simple, don't do business with companies that aren't in compliance, don't put all your eggs in one basket, and contribute to the Free Speech Coalition's 2257 defense fund so they can get the new regs struck down in court the same week they're published.

                        Thank you, that'll be $350
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                        • iBanker
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                          • Dec 2004
                          • 2758

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Lenny2
                          The answer is simple, don't do business with companies that aren't in compliance, don't put all your eggs in one basket, and contribute to the Free Speech Coalition's 2257 defense fund so they can get the new regs struck down in court the same week they're published.

                          Thank you, that'll be $350
                          Good advice.
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                          • GatorB
                            The Demon & 12clicks
                            • Oct 2001
                            • 18208

                            #14
                            Originally posted by iBanker
                            Thats seems like an intelligent train of thought.

                            "It hasn't happened, so it won't"

                            That's not what I meant just stating facts. Now fuck off turd!

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                            • iBanker
                              Confirmed User
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 2758

                              #15
                              Originally posted by GatorB
                              That's not what I meant just stating facts. Now fuck off turd!
                              Thanks again.
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                              • GatorB
                                The Demon & 12clicks
                                • Oct 2001
                                • 18208

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                Gonzales ?Commits? To Fighting Porn

                                http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=212531
                                Well then that just proves I was right about adult webmaster being retarded for voting for Bush now doesn't it? That's alright if we have another 9/11 while "Speedy" is busy putting pornographers away he'll be out of a job.

                                Getting rid of porn or stopping terrorits. Ask 100 people which is MORE important.

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                                • nojob
                                  The Original NoJob
                                  • Feb 2004
                                  • 3682

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Lenny2
                                  The answer is simple, don't do business with companies that aren't in compliance, don't put all your eggs in one basket, and contribute to the Free Speech Coalition's 2257 defense fund so they can get the new regs struck down in court the same week they're published.

                                  Thank you, that'll be $350
                                  I am with you on that.

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                                  • solonline
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jan 2003
                                    • 718

                                    #18
                                    USC2257 is about the dumbest idea every dreamed up in a supposed regulation of adult. Im just glad we are moving all our Biz back into Europe so we dont have to deal with this crap! I have done great biz in the states, but fear bad times are ahead for all US based porn comps.

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                                    • sharpx9
                                      Registered User
                                      • Sep 2004
                                      • 2085

                                      #19
                                      just whorin through...

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                                      • PerfectionGirls
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 4484

                                        #20
                                        Just love it that we are 100% to the letter of the law based on the new law that has not even gone into effect (might never0 yet. It was a pain in the ass, but now its done and I can rest.

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                                        • AaronM
                                          GFY Royality ;)
                                          • Oct 2001
                                          • 46917

                                          #21
                                          I'm a bit confused...With all these new 2257 laws that I keep hearing about...I understand that I may be required to get copies of models ID's and such in the future.

                                          That seems like a llot of work to me and what if the model doesn't have or want to give me ther ID?

                                          I just hope these new laws don't pass.

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                                          • GatorB
                                            The Demon & 12clicks
                                            • Oct 2001
                                            • 18208

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by AaronM
                                            I'm a bit confused...With all these new 2257 laws that I keep hearing about...I understand that I may be required to get copies of models ID's and such in the future.

                                            That seems like a llot of work to me and what if the model doesn't have or want to give me ther ID?

                                            I just hope these new laws don't pass.

                                            They don't have to pass to become law. Just for the AG to say they are law. Congress gave him that authority. All he had to do have a "public review" period beforehand and that ended in Spetember.

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                                            • AaronM
                                              GFY Royality ;)
                                              • Oct 2001
                                              • 46917

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by GatorB
                                              They don't have to pass to become law. Just for the AG to say they are law. Congress gave him that authority. All he had to do have a "public review" period beforehand and that ended in Spetember.

                                              So from what you are saying...IT's law now.

                                              Great. Kindly post me a link to the .gov site that contains this new law.

                                              Thank you for your time and info...It's much appreciated to us newbies.

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                                              • GatorB
                                                The Demon & 12clicks
                                                • Oct 2001
                                                • 18208

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by AaronM
                                                So from what you are saying...IT's law now.

                                                Great. Kindly post me a link to the .gov site that contains this new law.

                                                Thank you for your time and info...It's much appreciated to us newbies.
                                                No I didn't say it was law NOW. It's law whenever the AG says it is. WTF is your deal?

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                                                • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                  • 30307

                                                  #25
                                                  Reading the questioning and answers in that artical.

                                                  I wonder really if the leadership of this country is sane at this point.
                                                  Not only were the questions from the Senate nut's but the responses were just as bad.

                                                  There are some sick fuckers in the government.

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                                                  • thebizbucket
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                                                    • Jul 2004
                                                    • 191

                                                    #26
                                                    people got nabbed at internext ? and here i was thinking it was all cool and nothing weird went down..


                                                    who got hit ?
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                                                    • AaronM
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                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                      • 46917

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by GatorB
                                                      No I didn't say it was law NOW. It's law whenever the AG says it is. WTF is your deal?

                                                      Just trying to learn from the experts. WTF is your deal?

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                                                      • AaronM
                                                        GFY Royality ;)
                                                        • Oct 2001
                                                        • 46917

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by thebizbucket
                                                        people got nabbed at internext ? and here i was thinking it was all cool and nothing weird went down..


                                                        who got hit ?

                                                        FTC nabbed people, not the DOJ.

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                                                        • GatorB
                                                          The Demon & 12clicks
                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                          • 18208

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by AaronM
                                                          Just trying to learn from the experts. WTF is your deal?

                                                          Because you are being sarcastic for no reason. You are about as much a "newb" as I am an "expert"

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                                                          • AaronM
                                                            GFY Royality ;)
                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                            • 46917

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by GatorB
                                                            Because you are being sarcastic for no reason. You are about as much a "newb" as I am an "expert"

                                                            You've just made my point. Thank you.

                                                            My problem is too many people posting info that leads to more confusion rather than facts.

                                                            And with that said...I'm done with this thread. It's been interesting to say the least.

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                                                            • GatorB
                                                              The Demon & 12clicks
                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                              • 18208

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by AaronM
                                                              You've just made my point. Thank you.

                                                              My problem is too many people posting info that leads to more confusion rather than facts.

                                                              And with that said...I'm done with this thread. It's been interesting to say the least.
                                                              Listen the AG does NOT need congressional approval for this to become law. This is fact and feel free to prove me wrong. There is no law to "pass"

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                                                              • Rui
                                                                web
                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                • 9533

                                                                #32
                                                                If people don't comply then they don't deserve getting paid..simple no?

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                                                                • abyss_al
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                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                  • 15605

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by azguy
                                                                  I think that this industry will somewhat change in early 2006. Don't know how exactly, but it will be totally different.
                                                                  much sooner than that... saaaay... this May... mak these words: "big change coming soon"
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                                                                  • JimmiDean
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Nov 2004
                                                                    • 3433

                                                                    #34
                                                                    2257

                                                                    I fully agree, but my understanding was what happened at Internext was more do to the use of spam email and not being able to opt out ?
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                                                                    • iBanker
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                                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                                      • 2758

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                      Because you are being sarcastic for no reason. You are about as much a "newb" as I am an "expert"
                                                                      Accuracy at its finest....finally.
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                                                                      • VideoPass_Alex
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                                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                                        • 323

                                                                        #36
                                                                        oh thats all coming. what a great place to snare 95 percent of the whole adult internet.

                                                                        i wouldnt be surprised if the whole show floor was video'd and everyone identified already.

                                                                        all CSI and shit.

                                                                        i hope everyone isnt as naive as some are acting about this. vegas and eyes in the sky go hand in hand.

                                                                        everyone is on camera. make no mistakes about it.
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                                                                        • iBanker
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                                                                          • Dec 2004
                                                                          • 2758

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by JimmiDean
                                                                          I fully agree, but my understanding was what happened at Internext was more do to the use of spam email and not being able to opt out ?
                                                                          Yes, that is true. But it would be sheer ignorance to think that 2257 enforcement isn't around the corner as well.
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                                                                          • Kimmykim
                                                                            bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                                            • 16015

                                                                            #38
                                                                            This thread is really stupid.

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                                                                            • AaronM
                                                                              GFY Royality ;)
                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                              • 46917

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                              Listen the AG does NOT need congressional approval for this to become law. This is fact and feel free to prove me wrong. There is no law to "pass"
                                                                              Where did I ever imply other wise? My comments were directed at you because of another moronic coment that you made....Not the one about the AG.


                                                                              Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                                                              This thread is really stupid.

                                                                              Funny how the well intentioned threads often end up that way.

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                                                                              • iBanker
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                                                                                • Dec 2004
                                                                                • 2758

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                                Where did I ever imply other wise? My comments were directed at you because of another moronic coment that you made....Not the one about the AG.





                                                                                Funny how the well intentioned threads often end up that way.
                                                                                I was just looking for a discussion, can't we all just cuddle?

                                                                                Not you Aaron, you squeeze to hard.
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                                                                                • iBanker
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Dec 2004
                                                                                  • 2758

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by iBanker
                                                                                  I was just looking for a discussion, can't we all just cuddle?

                                                                                  Not you Aaron, you squeeze to hard.
                                                                                  And NOTE this....I am a super poster.....notice the orange username.

                                                                                  lol
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                                                                                  • wimpy
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                    • 607

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    If 2257 is so powerful, they why don't they add that charge while they're fucking people over? For example, read the charges filed against Extreme Associates. They listed this and that, but no where did they list "2257 violations."

                                                                                    OK, so maybe EA was in compliance. But surely someone somewhere who got popped for something was not. Why no 2257 charges?

                                                                                    Well, whatever the reason, it's so easy to comply that only an idiot would ignore it. Just comply and don't worry.
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