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  • seeric
    ..........
    • Aug 2004
    • 41917
    #101
    Originally posted by FightThisPatent

    Earthlink is very aggressive, going to the point of subpeonaing credit card processors for their clients info to track down spam.

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    Fight the mapS!
    a hundy pissed of adult peeps

    of course they are. its money they arent making. it is the due diligence of these huge corporations that is really behind getting rid of as many revenue angles as possible. more money for them. watch the involvement of these big companies in adult over the next 10 years. they know how much money is here to be made.

    the more people they get rid of the better. do you see any adult companies lobbying anyone in washington?

    the big picture is going to look like the one where the bird is trying to swallow the frog, but the frog's got his hands clamped around the birds neck.

    chip away little by little with laws designed to help "control" these nasty pornographers. the spam thing isnt the end. big business wants their internet back and the money that goes with it. i can only imagine the lobbying going on in washington.

    TRAFFIC people. TRAFFIC.

    the big companies already command millions upon millions of eyeballs everyday. this biz is going to get alot more attention from higher ups. not only feds. just my litle 2 cents. but what do i know?

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      • fünkmaster
        So Fucking Banned
        • Nov 2004
        • 791
        #102
        ... very interesting.

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          • Digipimp
            BP4L OT DL
            • Mar 2003
            • 13481
            #103
            hahahahahahahahah fuck spammers!

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              • BackToMine
                Confirmed User
                • Nov 2004
                • 541
                #104
                about time too

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                  • jimmyf
                    OU812
                    • Feb 2001
                    • 12651
                    #105
                    Originally posted by sweetcuties
                    Um, here's an idea... don't spam and terminate ANY affiliate who does! To many people turn an eye because of this " in crowd" shit.

                    Just my opinion. I don't care if you agree or disagree
                    you'd be surprised at how many do terminate but not near enough...... Think the ones that don't might re-think there business plan... like in FAST
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                      • jimmyf
                        OU812
                        • Feb 2001
                        • 12651
                        #106
                        Originally posted by FightThisPatent
                        many sponsors have it in their TOS about a no-spamming tolerance, but some affiliates still do it.

                        For sponsors, be sure to check your TOS and to show you have a zero tolerance, otherwise you could be condoning the actions and be held just as liable.

                        Earthlink is very aggressive, going to the point of subpeonaing credit card processors for their clients info to track down spam.

                        Earthlink vs. John Does is the court filing against spammers:
                        http://www.earthlink.net/about/press/pr_AllianceFAS/



                        Fight the mapS!
                        you got's 2 be fucking 100% nuts to use a Earthlink or AOL proxie... But guess what.. got spammers that do it.
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                          • Calvinguy
                            Confirmed User
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 1752
                            #107
                            I hope (legal) clients of Reflected are not going to be troubled by this

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                              • webair
                                Confirmed User
                                • Feb 2002
                                • 8531
                                #108
                                Originally posted by FightThisPatent
                                From the FTC PR. given the charges against the company, it also makes for a quick primer on the Don'ts of email soliciations:


                                "The complaint also charges that the defendants violated the CAN-SPAM Act by sending e-mail or procuring third parties to send e-mail that:

                                -contained false or misleading transmission information;

                                -contained deceptive subject headings;

                                -failed to contain functioning opt-out mechanisms or did not contain any opt-out mechanisms;

                                -failed to identify the e-mail as an advertisement or solicitation; and

                                -failed to provide the sender?s valid physical postal address. "



                                Fight the Contained and Failed!

                                Was the host (Reflected) a part of the company that was mailing or were they just hosting the offending sites?


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                                  • jimmyf
                                    OU812
                                    • Feb 2001
                                    • 12651
                                    #109
                                    Originally posted by TKoProductions
                                    I think I like my reason better.....but yours is a pretty good one too!

                                    (actually, I think you're probably right; the fact that they got caught in a lie fuels the inferno)
                                    do you think you could trust'em now.
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                                      • Theo
                                        HAL 9000
                                        • May 2001
                                        • 34515
                                        #110
                                        Originally posted by jimmyf
                                        you'd be surprised at how many do terminate but not near enough...... Think the ones that don't might re-think there business plan... like in FAST

                                        Almost nobody spams a sponsor without prior agreement. I'm confident signup4cash was using opt-out for their mailings, I don't know about the explicit tag. I know also they were running their own double optin lists. You'll be surprised to see how many US based sponsors don't follow CAN SPAM. Many more lawsuits will follow in 2005. If you see FTC going after signup4cash imagine what will happen to those that don't follow shit, use proxies and harvest emails.

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                                          • Gator
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Feb 2002
                                            • 1119
                                            #111
                                            Originally posted by ytcracker
                                            According to Piccionelli, the presence of federal agents at Internext highlights a trend he expects to see grow over the next several years as government prosecution of the adult industry increases.

                                            ?There really was not an elaborate internationally known set of shows that the adult business gathers at back in the ?70s and early ?80s,? Piccionelli said. ?At different times, when there are justice department sweeps, don?t be surprised if this becomes a mode of operation for the government in the future. They like getting everybody in one place and serving them.?


                                            dont go to conventions
                                            Better advice - Go to conventions, but don't break the law.

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                                              • Pipecrew
                                                Master of Gfy.com
                                                • Feb 2002
                                                • 14888
                                                #112
                                                We should expect to see the FTC go after master and expert spammer Doctor Dre.

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                                                  • Manowar
                                                    jellyfish  
                                                    • Dec 2003
                                                    • 71528
                                                    #113
                                                    Originally posted by Pipecrew
                                                    We should expect to see the FTC go after master and expert spammer Doctor Dre.
                                                    Maybe they will serve him at his next concert.


                                                    I wonder where dre went - havent seen him posting here for a while

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                                                      • LA Mike
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                        • 3056
                                                        #114
                                                        Originally posted by TheEbonyFelony
                                                        i agree 100 percent
                                                        There is too many honest ways on the net to make money then to risk it by doing illegal shit

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                                                          • jimmyf
                                                            OU812
                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                            • 12651
                                                            #115
                                                            Originally posted by LadyMischief
                                                            if the government seizes your assets.
                                                            usually this happens as you are being servered, your wife's assests, your kids assest's, anyones assests that they think you my have your hands in.

                                                            Don't know about this case but if not they are very lucky
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                                                              • xxxdesign-net
                                                                My hips don't lie
                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                • 10129
                                                                #116
                                                                Originally posted by Pipecrew
                                                                We should expect to see the FTC go after master and expert spammer Doctor Dre.
                                                                He's a big fish thats for sure... Certainly at the top of their list...

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                                                                  • DTK
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                    • 4546
                                                                    #117
                                                                    Originally posted by LAMike
                                                                    There is too many honest ways on the net to make money then to risk it by doing illegal shit

                                                                    Some people are just too damned stupid to grasp this simple concept.
                                                                    Arguing whether the Democratic or Republican party is better is like debating which steaming pile of shit is slightly less stinky.

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                                                                      • erehwon
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                        • 3759
                                                                        #118
                                                                        Originally posted by Rui
                                                                        I'm all for the end of more spammers, I don't see why don't you understand how great this sort of actions is for our industry...
                                                                        Its great to see a crackdown on spammers, but I'm saying its the begining of the end when it comes to this industry. If the Neocon Republicans have their way, there will be no more porn, there will only be one religion, and you are either for them or against them.
                                                                        Money NEVER $leep$...

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                                                                          • jimmyf
                                                                            OU812
                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                            • 12651
                                                                            #119
                                                                            Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                            Almost nobody spams a sponsor without prior agreement.
                                                                            sorry but i think you are wrong on this.. I was getting a ton of porn spam, it's just about stopped now, but because of something I did 2 stop it. Granted the spammers did get termed... and I sure the fuck did not opt-in 2 any list
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                                                                              • ricks
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Oct 2004
                                                                                • 924
                                                                                #120
                                                                                Originally posted by webair
                                                                                Was the host (Reflected) a part of the company that was mailing or were they just hosting the offending sites?
                                                                                It wasnt the Reflected (reflected.net) that we know here, just a group of spammers operating under the name Reflected out of NV.
                                                                                [QUOTE=DavieVegas]Now i apologize for people who I have scammed in the past or future.QUOTE]

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                                                                                  • baddog
                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                    • 107089
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    Originally posted by Manowar
                                                                                    I read on another board they served Reflected Networks too, anyone know if thats true ?

                                                                                    never mind

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                                                                                      • Wizzurd
                                                                                        Registered User
                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                        • 174
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        Originally posted by ricks
                                                                                        It wasnt the Reflected (reflected.net) that we know here, just a group of spammers operating under the name Reflected out of NV.
                                                                                        Pretty sure you are wrong there, it's the same company (reflected.net), but its been under new management recently, dosen't mean they were clean before the management change..

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                                                                                          • TKoProductions
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                                                            • 673
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            Originally posted by Wizzurd
                                                                                            Pretty sure you are wrong there, it's the same company (reflected.net), but its been under new management recently, dosen't mean they were clean before the management change..
                                                                                            Are you still pimpin with that finely crafted goblet of yours?

                                                                                            I believe it was a limited edition Burger King Lord of the Rings cup.

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                                                                                              • stev0
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Aug 2003
                                                                                                • 6801
                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                Originally posted by abadfish
                                                                                                Am I the only one that thinks this is a good thing? Does anyone really like spam? (Besides spammers) and I don't think its appropriate for adult spam anyways...
                                                                                                Spamming is for bottom feeders.... we need to get rid of it in order to keep this industry somewhat reputable. I think this is a step in the right direction, programs need to let their affiliates know that spam will not be tolerated.

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                                                                                                  • Jon2
                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                    • Aug 2001
                                                                                                    • 2875
                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    Check out www.reflected.net

                                                                                                    "01/11/05 - The FTC's recent press release regarding the investigation of WTFRC, Inc. of Las Vegas alleges charges being brought forth against several individuals and corporations which operate out of the Las Vegas, NV area. While the FTC charges WTFRC, Inc., doing business as Reflected Networks, Inc., as a defendant in the case, the charges are not against Reflected Networks, Inc. of Illinois, with its presence at www.reflected.net. For more information please contact [email protected]. "

                                                                                                    Thats their side of things...

                                                                                                    Jon

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                                                                                                      • JoeBlow2005
                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                        • Jan 2005
                                                                                                        • 3
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        Originally posted by ricks
                                                                                                        It wasnt the Reflected (reflected.net) that we know here, just a group of spammers operating under the name Reflected out of NV.
                                                                                                        Reflected Networks was owned by Dustin Hamilton, same as the owner of the other companies named in the suit. The company, with Phil Dorff was in Chicago. Although they recently sold the company, Dustin and Phil were working together to clear off their servers of any suspect content. They were involved with and were aware of what was going on.

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                                                                                                          • FightThisPatent
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Aug 2003
                                                                                                            • 4090
                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            Originally posted by jimmyf
                                                                                                            you got's 2 be fucking 100% nuts to use a Earthlink or AOL proxie... But guess what.. got spammers that do it.

                                                                                                            Earthlink and AOL go after spammers who send email into their systems (ie. [email protected])

                                                                                                            If they did use earthlink resources (ie. proxies running on their network), then they would also get nailed for "digital trespassing" and other creative charges that are already on the books. Using telephone wires going across state lines is how it easily becomes a federal offense.


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                                                                                                              • Wizzurd
                                                                                                                Registered User
                                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                • 174
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                Originally posted by TKoProductions
                                                                                                                Are you still pimpin with that finely crafted goblet of yours?

                                                                                                                I believe it was a limited edition Burger King Lord of the Rings cup.


                                                                                                                Nah that's not me but even if it was, it's kinda sad you still remember that

                                                                                                                Maybe next time you can post another useless comment, or two...



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                                                                                                                  • Wizzurd
                                                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                    • 174
                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Jon
                                                                                                                    Check out www.reflected.net

                                                                                                                    "01/11/05 - The FTC's recent press release regarding the investigation of WTFRC, Inc. of Las Vegas alleges charges being brought forth against several individuals and corporations which operate out of the Las Vegas, NV area. While the FTC charges WTFRC, Inc., doing business as Reflected Networks, Inc., as a defendant in the case, the charges are not against Reflected Networks, Inc. of Illinois, with its presence at www.reflected.net. For more information please contact [email protected]. "

                                                                                                                    Thats their side of things...

                                                                                                                    Jon
                                                                                                                    Looks like reflected.net is good to go then

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                                                                                                                      • SykkBoy2
                                                                                                                        Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                                                        • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                        • 19969
                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by DeanCapture
                                                                                                                        Most sponsors don't give a fuck if their affilites are spamming anyways. As long as the money continues to roll in .... the spamming is overlooked. I applaud the FTC for taking some action against spammers, their sponsors, their hosting and billing companies.
                                                                                                                        don't forget the content providers....
                                                                                                                        re-read your aiding an abetting laws...

                                                                                                                        this is why I have turned down some very large mailers...if they can't guarantee can-spam compliance...I can't guarantee they'll be paid...

                                                                                                                        it's not about how I feel about mailers as much as how I feel about not having feds breaking down my door...

                                                                                                                        the feds will try whatever way they can to thin the herd...in this case, they apparently used can-spam...next time it'll be 2257, then models coming forward alledging they were forced to shoot porn...

                                                                                                                        I saw it in the telemarketing industry and it's going to happen in this industry...the only reason there weren't more arrests and such is September 11th and the war in Iraq was distracting everyone's attention...now we have a President in an unpopular war and other problems brewing and this is a nice diversion...

                                                                                                                        unsolicted advice to everyone: watch your shit very closely...use some of that money to hire good attorneys rather than living like rockstars...
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                                                                                                                          • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                            • 28609
                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            Lots of the people charged were on spamhaus for awhile now..

                                                                                                                            http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/eviden...kso_id=ROK4094
                                                                                                                            hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                                                              • beemk
                                                                                                                                CLICK HERE
                                                                                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                • 20829
                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by xlogger
                                                                                                                                So their are people selling crack on the street and they are going after spammers? geez
                                                                                                                                This is exactally what happened to stupidcash. Its obvious.
                                                                                                                                you act like crack dealers never get arrested, when they do get arrested theres always more to take their place. you break the law you risk getting arrested, no matter what you do.
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                                                                                                                                  • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                    ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                    • 28609
                                                                                                                                    #133
                                                                                                                                    Hmm this is of one of the people charged.


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                                                                                                                                      • crockett
                                                                                                                                        in a van by the river
                                                                                                                                        • May 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 76818
                                                                                                                                        #134
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by ytcracker
                                                                                                                                        According to Piccionelli, the presence of federal agents at Internext highlights a trend he expects to see grow over the next several years as government prosecution of the adult industry increases.

                                                                                                                                        ?There really was not an elaborate internationally known set of shows that the adult business gathers at back in the ?70s and early ?80s,? Piccionelli said. ?At different times, when there are justice department sweeps, don?t be surprised if this becomes a mode of operation for the government in the future. They like getting everybody in one place and serving them.?


                                                                                                                                        dont go to conventions

                                                                                                                                        yep keep it all on the down low... looks like it's getting close to time to relocate out of the US. Fucking Nazi pecker head in office..
                                                                                                                                        In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                                                          • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                            • 28609
                                                                                                                                            #135
                                                                                                                                            hmm never noticed this guy..

                                                                                                                                            http://www.gofuckyourself.com/member.php?u=5885

                                                                                                                                            Is mentioned in the charges
                                                                                                                                            hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                                                                              • ricks
                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2004
                                                                                                                                                • 924
                                                                                                                                                #136
                                                                                                                                                so reflected.net is reflected networks in the lawsuit?

                                                                                                                                                this is getting confusing
                                                                                                                                                [QUOTE=DavieVegas]Now i apologize for people who I have scammed in the past or future.QUOTE]

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                                                                                                                                                  • Jon2
                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                    • 2875
                                                                                                                                                    #137
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by ricks
                                                                                                                                                    so reflected.net is reflected networks in the lawsuit?

                                                                                                                                                    this is getting confusing
                                                                                                                                                    "01/11/05 - The FTC's recent press release regarding the investigation of WTFRC, Inc. of Las Vegas alleges charges being brought forth against several individuals and corporations which operate out of the Las Vegas, NV area. While the FTC charges WTFRC, Inc., doing business as Reflected Networks, Inc., as a defendant in the case, the charges are not against Reflected Networks, Inc. of Illinois, with its presence at www.reflected.net. For more information please contact [email protected]. "

                                                                                                                                                    Jon

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                                                                                                                                                      • AndrewKanuck
                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                        • 6706
                                                                                                                                                        #138
                                                                                                                                                        Glad i removed my links when the first thread was created.

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                                                                                                                                                          • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                                            • 28609
                                                                                                                                                            #139
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by ricks
                                                                                                                                                            so reflected.net is reflected networks in the lawsuit?

                                                                                                                                                            this is getting confusing
                                                                                                                                                            yes
                                                                                                                                                            hatisblack at yahoo.com

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