TGP's and free porn?

Hey Icy, some insights from an insider to paysites...

To say that we do not invest our money or do not make any effort to stay competitive by trying to constantly come out with higher quality products or models that are exclusive to us, is very unfair.

We are a big team here who busts our butts day in day out to achieve the best we can and offer honest products for the many webmaster who have decided to work with us.

There are the editors, photographers, designers, marketing guys and even lawyers in our team who spend countless hours trying to do the greatest possible job, and I am not even mentioning our proof-readers who will not let updates go live before making sure English is well written in all our copy. I don't want to live out our team of image processors / color correctors who we have trained hard for an extensive period fo time so that none of our pictures have any cast whatsoever. Oh, did I mention the staff people who takes care of all models' make- ups so that they look the best in their sessions or the video editors who work 12 hours a day straight to come up with the best possibly quality videos? How about flying in models from any part of the world, all expenses paid, to have exclusive content shot so that our audience remains loyal? We not only show respect to the many customers who have been following us for years (yes) but also for anyone who approaches us with a sincere interest to promote us, like many here do.

I can personally testify that with all the limitations we may have, we go out of our way to make partners happy and carefully listen to their input, just because we understand that we are all in this together. It is hard and difficult for everyone. That paysite owners are raking it by the millions is just a myth.

roberto / score-cash

Roberto, of course not everybody works that way, but if you got great sites, updated, etc congratz, i bet you will be getting lots of signups and not complaning about too many free porn pics.
Why new programs/sites gets lots of signups? easy answer, they are new and fresh, so if you keep your paysites allways fresh, you will keep making money for a long time.
We tgp/freesites/avs webmasters are just promoting products, if what we promote is crap, the sales will be crap, and we can't work on the product, thats your work, we work on the sales, if you complain about how we sell, we could complain about your work too.
Ppl will look for free porn anyways in the net, better to show it in our webs where there are also links to sponsors, that from kazaa and so.
The more complains from paysite owners, come from the fact that tgptraffic don't keep the membership after the trial, why? the tgp did his work sending you the surfer to sign for the trial, if he doesn't stay, it's your fault for not offering better content, better design, more variety, etc that the one showed at the tgp.
So before complaining about the others work, look at yours, mybe the chain broke there.

Hey, Boneprone, thanks for the kind words, bro :-) Yeah, I drop in here once in a while and throw out some of my idiotic thoughts if a thread really grabs me.

Regarding this thread...well, obviously I am going to disagree with it because I own a TGP and from my experience I see paysites making a ton of money from Thumbzilla traffic, and I see plenty of webmasters over the years making money from Thumbzilla traffic. And, I can tell you straight out that I have never had a complaint from any of my sponsors. Never. As a matter of fact, sponsors are usually happy if I decide to promote their programs on Thumbzilla. So, naturally, when I saw RogerV's post, I was taken aback.

I honestly did sign up for Porn Kings just over a week ago and was planning to start promoting their new program, I think it is called freefreeprogram.com, on Thumbzilla sometime this week. It looked to me like it could do quite well on Thumbzilla, and so I was going to really push it and see how it did. And, I can honestly say that there are many webmasters, newbies and experienced, who, when they see Thumbzilla pushing a program, try it out for themselves, too. This is something of which my sponsors are quite aware...they know that if a big TGP pushes their program, it is going to cause a lot of other webmasters to try pushing that program on their sites, too.

Thumbzilla and other TGPs provide a service to webmasters and to surfers. We post about 200 galleries per day that were submitted to us by webmasters. On each of those galleries, those webmasters are promoting a sponsor or his or her own paysite. I think that most of the sponsors out there are quite aware that a large percentage of the signups that they get to their paysites came either directly or indirectly from TGP traffic.

Nevertheless, it is clear that there are some sponsors out there that actually do consider TGPs to be the enemy! I guess that RogerV is one of them. So, I am really glad I saw this thread before I started pushing his program on Thumbzilla. If there is one thing that is very important to me in both personal and business relationships, it is loyalty. I have sponsors on Thumbzilla that have been there since the day I started the site! I am very loyal to them and they are very loyal to me. Some of them are very big and well-known. They appreciate the value of a Thumbzilla! They are quite aware that not only has Thumbzilla made them quite a lot of money, but also many webmasters, newbies and experienced alike, have signed up for their programs simply because they have seen Thumbzilla using those programs for so long and they figure, well, if it works for Thumbzilla, maybe it will work for me, too. These sponsors have made Thumbzilla a lot of money, but Thumbzilla has made them a lot of money, too! So...I am loyal to them, and they are loyal to me.

From what I have read in this thread, I have come to realize that it would be stupid of me to promote RogerV's program on Thumbzilla because 1) he does not know the value of a TGP, 2) he resents my site, and 3) he could never have a sense of loyalty to me and therefore would never appreciate the money that Thumbzilla would make for him.

That is a shame! But, all is not lost: as I indicated before, there are many big sponsors out there who, unlike RogerV, have the vision to see the value of TGPs.

Obviously, I am biased, but in my opinion many of the TGPs are the backbone of the adult internet! They keep the traffic flowing and glowing ;-) Certainly there are TGPs out there that deal in pretty low quality traffic, but there are many others that have solid, honest, productive traffic...they are the ones that I am talking about.

Anyway, I have mouthed off enough, and I am sure there are many of you who will disagree with what I said, but that doesn't mean you are right ;-) Kidding, okay??

Boneprone, I am not sure yet, but I may be in Vegas in January. Have a good one, bro, and maybe we'll hook up then!

Icy, I don't get it. I am not trying to initiate a confrontation. Perhaps I am just misunderstanding your point.

If I read your post correctly you tend to think paysites VS TGPs. And it that scheme, you assume paysites are doing a poor, sloppy job, you assume paysites blame TGPs too much for their own low retention rates and in addition, you assume paysites are making shitloads of money out of the effort of distributors.

The message I tried to convey here is that there are some myths in those statements and I used our example to make my point.

We have enjoyed good working relationships with distributors because we value their contribution as chanels of ditribution goes, and we like to believe they respect the effort we instill in all what we do. We both gain from this and it goes both ways.

Briefly, we are TGP friendly and have understood long ago our own contribution to the game, by everyday raising the bar when it comes to quality. Our partners may make money through rebills only if WE can retain those customers they got for us. We've been responsible for own stuff since we started.

I only tried to bring you closer to what goes on at the paysite level...not sure about your answer. All is well though.

roberto / score-cash

Let's get this thread moving again. It started out strong last night, but everyone went to bed.

Please tell me when sleazydream posted other people's galleries (other than paid placements) - I NEVER EVER posted free galleries on sleazydream - so I guess you are an idiot.

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Baby steps guys...Rome wasn't built in a day.

How about a higher payout for those that do not use hardcore, or those that censor it...I think black boxes with the words, "Member's Only" would help conversions alot.

thumbzilla, where are you!?

So you still wanna do this? I have an idea about something that might help. Or it may not. If you wanna hear it, hit me up on ICQ (1566665)

The good old days. well i guess 2257 is taking care of this. I knew if we didn't the gov would.

Karups 2257 Statement:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=477889

I love companies who protect models instead of worrying only about the bottom line. Perfect example of LONG TERM THINKING.

Who bumped this old thread?