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If you were building a Paysite program...

01-03-2005, 08:00 PM

what would you offer your webmasters?

Here's my short list:

-- a site suite that has been traffic-tested and validated for at least 6 months

-- site tours, members' areas, and content that have gone through several generations of client feedback, redefinition, and statistical analysis

-- an affiliate tracking system that allows for BYOTs/Tour modification

-- traffic tracking system that filters traffic info based on source and tours

-- at least 65% partnership

-- adding community and a high level of interactivity to the member's area

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01-03-2005, 08:01 PM

Sounds like a solid start.
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01-03-2005, 08:03 PM

at least 65%? woah that's a nice chunk.
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01-03-2005, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Mack

Sounds like a solid start.

Thanks. Any other feedback? Share your ideas

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01-03-2005, 08:11 PM

I like the 65% it is nice to get that from some programs.
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01-03-2005, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by Sosa

I like the 65% it is nice to get that from some programs.

Specially from ones that convert and retain.

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01-03-2005, 09:22 PM

goodluck with your program
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01-03-2005, 09:30 PM

Beer please.
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01-03-2005, 09:31 PM

pay per join, even if it's a low $20
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01-03-2005, 09:34 PM

Sounds solid but I think you might want to rethink the whole BYOT option. It didn't work out well for ARS v1.0

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01-03-2005, 09:35 PM

Tested for six months?

Well then you cant really call it fresh content and thats what converts

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01-03-2005, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by $5 submissions

what would you offer your webmasters?

Here's my short list:

-- a site suite that has been traffic-tested and validated for at least 6 months

this is the one that all the fly-by-night clowns miss.....it's like their whole idea is scrape together $5000, buy processing, cheap plugins, and advertising on the webmaster boards...and then people will drop everything to send traffic to their lame sites...

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01-03-2005, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by d00t

goodluck with your program

Thanks, but it's for a client.

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01-03-2005, 09:57 PM

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Tested for six months?

Well then you cant really call it fresh content and thats what converts

Testing means making sure the tours convert with inhouse generated traffic. Also, setting up focus groups/feedback strategies with actual surfers of the site. Maybe even running updates through a email group/forum of niche afficionados.

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01-03-2005, 09:57 PM

Just slap it up and start selling fuck all that testing shit to much work not worth it build it then get webmasters end of story.
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01-03-2005, 09:59 PM

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Just slap it up and start selling fuck all that testing shit to much work not worth it build it then get webmasters end of story.

I'd rather measure many times and cut once than the other way around when it comes to building businesses.

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01-03-2005, 10:32 PM

Would people be interested in Incentive packages?

instead of reward points, maybe offer Free Trips to Japan or the Great Wall of China or other exotic landmarks.

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01-03-2005, 11:54 PM

yeah, you forgot about the free beer
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01-04-2005, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by TheMob

yeah, you forgot about the free beer

Keg or bottles or cans?

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01-04-2005, 12:31 AM

More payout options than just checks and wire.
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01-04-2005, 12:43 AM

How about Western Union payouts?

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01-04-2005, 12:47 AM

Instead of daily cash payouts via courier, how about advances against future signups.

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01-04-2005, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by dcortez

how about advances against future signups.

I read that while drinking a cup of coffee. I guess it's time to look for a new monitor.

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01-04-2005, 01:17 AM

all sounds very nice but as vague as can be

-- adding community and a high level of interactivity to the member's area

so whats that ? i wanna hear ideas

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01-04-2005, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by DTK

this is the one that all the fly-by-night clowns miss.....it's like their whole idea is scrape together $5000, buy processing, cheap plugins, and advertising on the webmaster boards...and then people will drop everything to send traffic to their lame sites...

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01-04-2005, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by thinkx

all sounds very nice but as vague as can be

-- adding community and a high level of interactivity to the member's area

so whats that ? i wanna hear ideas

We've got our own ideas. An old but successful model is suicidegirls.com Very instructive.

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01-04-2005, 01:54 AM

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01-04-2005, 01:57 AM

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01-04-2005, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by AlienQ

I can tell you why BYOT was destined to fail if ya folks like

Go for it, bro. Discuss away.

One great thing about BYOT is that it addresses a key issue that many programs seem to miss--who's in a better position to know the proclivities/tendencies of a webmaster's traffic? the sponsor or the webmaster sending the traffic? If it's the latter, then why not give the latter some tools to sculpt the marketing materials to the psychological landscape of his surfers?

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01-04-2005, 02:15 AM

Dedicated support staff, that is willing to go out of their way to arrange private deals (better payouts for high volume, free dedicated hosting and content for experienced gallery submitters) instead of the usual one-fits-all approach.
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01-04-2005, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by Rhesus

Dedicated support staff, that is willing to go out of their way to arrange private deals (better payouts for high volume, free dedicated hosting and content for experienced gallery submitters) instead of the usual one-fits-all approach.

I believe many of the revshare programs out there offer special free hosting deals.

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01-04-2005, 06:10 AM

An idea that worked for me..

More than testing the site... A lot of pre launch promotion...

I did a hell of a lot for Sahara Gets Dirty, starting 2 months before the site was launched. The first 2 sign up's came within 30 mins of the launch and it's carried on from there..

You will also need a lot of promotional material for affiliates, not that many of them will use it, as 99% are too damn lazy and will just add a link on a TGP or links site to your FHG etc. I wonder how many would go for BYOT if they can't even bother to use a banner...

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01-04-2005, 10:16 AM

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Testing means making sure the tours convert with inhouse generated traffic. Also, setting up focus groups/feedback strategies with actual surfers of the site. Maybe even running updates through a email group/forum of niche afficionados.

Doesnt matter.
You are still going to be feeding it s.e, tgp, mail, ll, whatever traffic for 6months.

Doesnt matter if you genrate it or 1000 affiliates.

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01-04-2005, 10:22 AM

Instant payout. Plenty of promo material. A forcasting system for your track trends.
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01-04-2005, 11:15 AM

65% on a site that retains and converts? I'd be allll over it!!
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01-04-2005, 11:18 AM

If you put together a program like that and used nats i'd support the hell out of you...

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01-04-2005, 11:32 AM

Suddenly there is a silence. :oD

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01-05-2005, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by Twe Russ

Instant payout. Plenty of promo material. A forcasting system for your track trends.
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Instant payout, that's interesting.

Forecasting system, I think I've seen this before.

There's many private free hosting deals. Maybe it's a better idea for the sponsor to directly approach affiliates that are pushing a lot of hits and give them free hosting.

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01-05-2005, 03:23 AM

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Instant payout, that's interesting.

Forecasting system, I think I've seen this before.

There's many private free hosting deals. Maybe it's a better idea for the sponsor to directly approach affiliates that are pushing a lot of hits and give them free hosting.

the bannerless free hosting that many sponsors provide is practically worthless (for TGP / MGP submitting). Private dedicated hosting deals is the wtg.
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01-05-2005, 03:40 AM

Is it really 65%? Or is it 65% and processing comes out of our end so we are really only making about 50%?
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01-05-2005, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by AlienQ

I can tell you why BYOT was destined to fail if ya folks like

I for one jump at the chance to share in your wisdom. lay it on me.
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01-05-2005, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by Rhesus

the bannerless free hosting that many sponsors provide is practically worthless (for TGP / MGP submitting). Private dedicated hosting deals is the wtg.

true, we dont do that as of now, mainly because ive said yes to one he ripped a site and hosted everything that was illegal on our server... but for a serious affiliate a few extra giga is np at all

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01-05-2005, 03:49 AM

at least 65% partnership
I wouldent trust a spononor who offerd this right at the start. To me this this is only offerd for long term affilates with proven track record. Spells disaater waiting to happen you will have no real cash to update content Thus killing rebills and hurting my income more than say the normal 50%

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01-05-2005, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by Rhesus

Private dedicated hosting deals is the wtg.

The mind boggles at the growing demands of affiliates

If you cant afford your own hosting by now maybe it?s time for a career change

Meanwhile a lot of the best converting sites are the small programs that give affiliates nothing more then a join link and some content if you ask nicely.
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01-05-2005, 04:13 AM

We normally pay 50% and on promoi's like now 99% etc. Anyway, you said 65%, you mean CLEAN 65%? or 65 MINUS processor fees?

Because I once tried a so called 65% program, and I found out I got even less then 50% in cash!

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01-05-2005, 05:28 AM

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Would people be interested in Incentive packages?

instead of reward points, maybe offer Free Trips to Japan or the Great Wall of China or other exotic landmarks.

As a person who loves these and will throw extra traffic to get a ipod or some other item I could just buy. Give them items and make sure you have a few gift certificates. Travel is a horrible thing as people suck to deal with. Just let them get stuff and be done with it. The gift certificates will reduce the noise about what you do and do not offer.

Contests are better for trips as you only have to please one person or set of people.
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01-05-2005, 12:19 PM

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01-05-2005, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by William-Xfactor

The mind boggles at the growing demands of affiliates

If you cant afford your own hosting by now maybe it?s time for a career change

Meanwhile a lot of the best converting sites are the small programs that give affiliates nothing more then a join link and some content if you ask nicely.

What he said. My biggest sponsor didnt even send me a Chrismass card but he did pay me 50k the last 12 months and to me thats all that matters.

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01-05-2005, 03:13 PM

If Gene types it, they will come.

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01-06-2005, 03:49 AM

$5 Submissions - I have many more idea to start a solid program with many features
that some of the big boys dont even have, such as the ones I posted above for ya.

To answer your questions if they where questions.. Instant payout can be done via
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For the forcasting feature it would basically need at least 2 pay periods to read your
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day but Hour, so you know that Gay makes more sales at night, and Ebony more at
the day time.

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