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  • Webby
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Oct 2002
    • 14956
    #51
    mikesouth:

    that leaves you with a problem....collecting.

    you can attach thier assets....oops they dont have any

    leaving you in the same place you are now.

    my advice sue to get your rebills thats the only thing you stand a chance of getting from them.

    If you are still processing with Ibill you are going to get what you deserve....fucked.

    move on and hope they pull out of it...THEN sue them for what they owe you....they are prolly going to file for bankruptcy anyhow so cut your loses....

    my 0.02 worth
    That 0.02 cents worth is probably more than the net assets of iBill... and agree on the rest! Sadly!!
    XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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      • Webby
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Oct 2002
        • 14956
        #52
        Scottybunky:

        Jason Galanis has also been identified as recently as last fall as the only person associated with Penthouse Financial, a separate company that controls Penthouse?s website. Galanis now says it was more of a licensing deal, and that the contract has since been terminated.
        People such as Galanis have been hovering around Penthouse for decades now - often with a different face, but fundamentally the same outlook.

        If you don't know who they are... have a think! :-)

        And... of course it was a licensing deal and his hands have been washed - not a new statement, - Pontius Pilate said the same thing a while back.... and I believe every word :-)
        XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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          • Taniwha
            Registered User
            • Dec 2004
            • 20
            #53
            Penthouse told XBiz last month that it believes potential legal claims relating to iBill are in the tens of millions of dollars.

            http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=42...eneral%20media
            July 8th, 2004. Old news and something Care Concepts would have been well aware of before they committed to buying.

            1.
            The first data excuse is starting to run dry that worked for the first month. But now that they have gkard and everything there is no excuse for not having funds.
            2.
            Everyone is cancelling all their members as we speak now
            Gee. I wonder if the two things are connected. But hey you keep talking about those "newbies" and people will start thinking you're a big experienced business honcho.


            my advice sue to get your rebills thats the only thing you stand a chance of getting from them.
            Probably accurate. But remember that Ibill would have either succeeded or failed by the time you win your rebills back in court.

            For those searching about Jason Galanis, I know he now runs a company called EGX Funds Transfer now focused on the payment space. The management team at least looks impressive - ex Citibank, First Data and Western Union. Let us know what else you find.

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              • Tipsy
                Confirmed User
                • Jul 2001
                • 6989
                #54
                Originally posted by Webby
                There is also the matter of why First Data pulled the plug on iBill. If First Data are in the wrong, why have iBill not commenced action for recovery of funds, but pleading with First Data instead??
                Maybe my memory really is getting bad with old age but wasn't it a lot clearer than that? iBill had a LOT of warning that the bank was pulling the plug (ie at least 6 months probably more). Then because iBill has always been run by monkeys they totally ignored the fact that it was ending instead hoping that a flimsy verbal agreement to extend the cut-off date would give them time to arrange something else. A 'verbal' agreement when millions of $'s are involved.

                The bank unsurprisingly changed their minds as nothing was on paper (have you ever known a bank to keep a verbal agreement?) and all of a sudden the bank was a bitch for pulling the plug??? What the fuck were they ever thinking allowing it to get to that stage.

                Forgetting everything that's happened since, that alone should be a reason for nobody to ever go near them again. No company that incompetent should be handling sums in the millions of dollars.
                Ignorance is never bliss.

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                  • Webby
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 14956
                    #55
                    Tipsy:

                    iBill had a LOT of warning that the bank was pulling the plug (ie at least 6 months probably more)..........

                    Forgetting everything that's happened since, that alone should be a reason for nobody to ever go near them again. No company that incompetent should be handling sums in the millions of dollars.
                    Ah.. yep! You are correct Tipsy - I forgot that bit of history! :-) They did have prior notice.

                    That fits well with a gut feeling that the management were/are? loaded with a cavalier attitude to business, plus a touch of cowboy in the mix as well:-) I've seen it before, - all mouth, ego and out of control - they never last! I may be doing em an injustice by thinking/saying this - but not much indicates otherwise.

                    Just heard there is shit in the air on the Euro side - there has obviously some "borrowing" of Euro funds. Several Euro webmasters ain't been paid for months either.

                    You are 100% correct in that folks like that don't need to be handling any money belonging to others.



                    PS especially for iBill ... Charles, you got your pen handy?? Sign some promissory notes as promised - but I doubt they are worth one cent unless liability comes out of your pocket, - which, of course, it won't be.
                    XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                      • Forrest1967
                        Registered User
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 15
                        #56
                        iBill is supposedly going to Internext in Las Vegas in January. Their booth #139. I would love to go and see just what kind of people are actually working at iBill... oh... wait... I can't afford milk thanks to iBill let alone a plane ticket to Las Vegas.
                        Forrest
                        www.tubebear.com

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                          • DEA - banned for life
                            V.I.P.
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 7886
                            #57
                            Fact:Gkard has been processing for 1 1/2 months now.Ibill received US webmaster revenue for the sales and re-bills during this time and has not passed this on to clients.

                            Fact: According to Ibill,its service reps,and account reps the webmasters main source of payment information is the CMI pages.Ibill has not Updated there CMI information page in over a week <which also included the christmas holliday>.

                            Fact:The promises of Better communication,promissary notes ,and more reliable proccessing and payments with the gkard solution during the "client conference call "have not been met.

                            Fact: Acount reps<atleast mine> have not been communicating with clients and are out of the office until jan3rd 2005.

                            Opinion:Whatever they case may be with missed payments,The facts that i have just stated not only shows a lack buissness sense but also a lack of personal respect. Considering these last missed payments were during the Holliday season one would think there would be some show of empathy on Ibills part to atleast post in the cmi to let us know the status of where things stand .By showing no signs of communication whatosever is in noway increasing the chances for Ibills survival.Would you keep showing up to work everyday if your boss didnt pay you,didnt talk to you and made several promises to you in the past that were not kept? How can TANIWAH < OBVIOUS IBILL REP or GFY Instigator> try and make disgruntled webmasters look like crybabys or fools for losing faith in IBILL.They way they are conducting buissness or MOVING FOWARD as they put it is shamefull and Noone in there right mind would think diffrent.What im talking about here is not about missed payments,,but more how a company that has been doing buissnes for 9 years and is a so-called leader in the industry is treating its clients.

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                              • MickeyG
                                Confirmed User
                                • May 2004
                                • 4134
                                #58
                                Originally posted by DEA
                                Fact:Gkard has been processing for 1 1/2 months now.Ibill received US webmaster revenue for the sales and re-bills during this time and has not passed this on to clients.
                                Thats not true. I received gkard payouts for October in the Dec 1 payments. It was added on as an adjustment.

                                Doesn't change much but atleast the monies were paid and not kept by ibill as people are claiming.

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                                  • Forrest1967
                                    Registered User
                                    • Dec 2004
                                    • 15
                                    #59
                                    I just received an email from one of the iBill affiliates I signed up with awhile back (and that's another thing - all the money they owe the revshare guys; They haven't sent a revshare cheque for a very very long time nor have they mentioned a thing about the revshare monies which they are in arrears)...

                                    Anyhow, in his email, he apologizes to his revshare affiliates for iBill's current state (we all seem to be apologizing for iBill, yet iBill has yet to apologize to anyone), and he stated that he is going to all his rebill clients that he has with iBill, asking them to re-sign up with his new third party billing company but at a reduced price.

                                    I didn't think of that. It's a very good idea - emailing all those who are being rebilled right now with iBill, telling them 'listen - if you want, we can cancel your present rebill with iBill, which I will refund if you re-sign up with my new company at a very reduced cost'.

                                    The way I see it, it's a win win win situation. Win #1 - iBill is no longer rebilling my clients while holding that cash. Win #2 - altho I'm allowing my clients to sign up at a reduced cost, at least I will be seeing the money, if just a portion of it. Win #3 - iBill is forced to refund since they now are dealing with Visa, and I'm sure iBill does not want to fuck with Visa.

                                    So rather than iBill collecting the monies from each rebill, they will start seeing them cancelled as well as being refunded. The way I see it, iBill is fucking with my money, it's time I fuck back with theirs (well, it's my money, but iBill is claiming it's theirs since it doesn't look like they are releasing our funds anytime soon).

                                    I repeat:
                                    Email your rebill clients, offer them a refund if they sign up with your new third party billing, cancel that rebill, refund them the cash after you've seen they re-signed up. This way you won't be losing out customers.
                                    Last edited by Forrest1967; 12-30-2004, 08:57 AM.
                                    Forrest
                                    www.tubebear.com

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                                      • bcbud
                                        Registered User
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 8
                                        #60
                                        I got a 70% re-signup when I did this to salvage my ibill users - I just explained to them honestly how ibill was screwing everything up, and they were sympathetic, and craving a good deal... just make sure you're not pushing your refunds too high, otherwise you'll never get anything if/when(?) it does come time for iBill to pay out... I've still some hope.

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                                          • Webby
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 14956
                                            #61
                                            bcbud:

                                            I got a 70% re-signup when I did this to salvage my ibill users - I just explained to them honestly how ibill was screwing everything up, and they were sympathetic, and craving a good deal... just make sure you're not pushing your refunds too high, otherwise you'll never get anything if/when(?) it does come time for iBill to pay out... I've still some hope.
                                            That is the most constructive and cost-effective action you could have taken. It cuts out boring legal suits to extract your customers from this share-shuffling, merging, re-organizing bullshit company.

                                            Next bit is funds you may be owed! If you ever get one statement in an email about how they are not going to pay because you are not sending them traffic - you need a lawyer :-)
                                            XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                              • Webby
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 14956
                                                #62
                                                Here's some more crap on iBill... which has probably been posted before.. but what the hell..

                                                http://xbiz.com/article_piece.php?ca...chstring=ibill
                                                XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                  • whatif_3
                                                    Registered User
                                                    • Jul 2004
                                                    • 459
                                                    #63
                                                    tony, you have to be working for ibill

                                                    i agree with everything that you had posted in this thread, but feel very sorry for anybody that, months ago, fell for all of the naivie and supportive things that you posted about ibill. "hold tight, they will pay you, they are good people" those posts were cluelless and the end result, where we are now, was predictible from mid september

                                                    if anybody got burned from listening to your advice, that has to be on your concioence
                                                    (sp?), and it takes huge balls to keep supporting them after all of this time

                                                    please dont get me wrong, i think you are a nice guy, this is not a personal attack on you

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                                                      • tony299
                                                        lurker
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 57021
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by whatif_3
                                                        tony, you have to be working for ibill

                                                        i agree with everything that you had posted in this thread, but feel very sorry for anybody that, months ago, fell for all of the naivie and supportive things that you posted about ibill. "hold tight, they will pay you, they are good people" those posts were cluelless and the end result, where we are now, was predictible from mid september

                                                        if anybody got burned from listening to your advice, that has to be on your concioence
                                                        (sp?), and it takes huge balls to keep supporting them after all of this time

                                                        please dont get me wrong, i think you are a nice guy, this is not a personal attack on you

                                                        First off I dont work for ibill and I never gave advice I gave my opinion. I told people what I was going to do I never told anyone to do anything. Lets get that straight, they have my rebills and my money. I picked ibill to be my processor no one forced me, What the fuck else im I going to do but support them and hope for the best? Crying like a child and making baseless threats will not get me my money any quicker.Use your fucking head, with the recurring model you are in bed with your processor til the end basically.

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                                                          • sean416
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Feb 2004
                                                            • 3633
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by bcbud
                                                            I got a 70% re-signup when I did this to salvage my ibill users - I just explained to them honestly how ibill was screwing everything up, and they were sympathetic, and craving a good deal... just make sure you're not pushing your refunds too high, otherwise you'll never get anything if/when(?) it does come time for iBill to pay out... I've still some hope.
                                                            first person to make sense in this thread! lol

                                                            ServerProvider.com

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                                                              • Dawgy
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                • 5856
                                                                #66
                                                                you know whats cool?

                                                                a few select IBILL EU clients are being paid, weekly, on time, since all this started. which means all the shit theyve posted about bank problems, wires, etc... are total lies.
                                                                the revolution is coming.

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                                                                  • Shoplifter
                                                                    Richest man in Babylon
                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                    • 5862
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by Dawgy
                                                                    you know whats cool?

                                                                    a few select IBILL EU clients are being paid, weekly, on time, since all this started. which means all the shit theyve posted about bank problems, wires, etc... are total lies.
                                                                    I've surmised as much.

                                                                    I Like Blondes

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                                                                      • Webby
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                        • 14956
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Dawgy:

                                                                        you know whats cool?

                                                                        a few select IBILL EU clients are being paid, weekly, on time, since all this started. which means all the shit theyve posted about bank problems, wires, etc... are total lies.
                                                                        100% correct!

                                                                        It would be hard not to pay anyone in the EU - the fraud issue steps in and it's nice to have some witnesses to support a defense in court should that arise. If that is what they hoped for - forget it - it just lays out a pattern for a prosecutor.

                                                                        It's amazing how banks becoming totally unable to take simple wire instructions from iBill and never seem to be able to track any wires from em:-)
                                                                        XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                          • jennycards
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                            • 1124
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Scottybunky
                                                                            Everyone is cancelling all their members as we speak now after the missed check for the december 15 th after they said payments were on squedule nove 1st on.
                                                                            So did I one week ago.
                                                                            Make Money with true niche programs like Adult ECards - Pantyhose Fetish - Men in Pantyhose

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                                                                              • jennycards
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                • 1124
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Dawgy
                                                                                you know whats cool?

                                                                                a few select IBILL EU clients are being paid, weekly, on time, since all this started. which means all the shit theyve posted about bank problems, wires, etc... are total lies.
                                                                                I am on IBILL EU and haven't been paid for 2+ months.
                                                                                Make Money with true niche programs like Adult ECards - Pantyhose Fetish - Men in Pantyhose

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                                                                                  • Webby
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                    • 14956
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    jennycards:

                                                                                    I am on IBILL EU and haven't been paid for 2+ months.
                                                                                    Curious if you have the same excuses offered to other webmasters there.. They give a reason for no payment or you still at the avoidance stage with them?
                                                                                    XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                      • Zprogramz
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Apr 2003
                                                                                        • 1360
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                        Use your fucking head, with the recurring model you are in bed with your processor til the end basically.
                                                                                        You are wrong. We use Netbilling and have access to all of our data and could take it weith us to another processor anytime we wanted to leave. Not that would want to, but we could.

                                                                                        Z

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                                                                                          • tony299
                                                                                            lurker
                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                            • 57021
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Zprogramz
                                                                                            You are wrong. We use Netbilling and have access to all of our data and could take it weith us to another processor anytime we wanted to leave. Not that would want to, but we could.

                                                                                            Z
                                                                                            No Im right you have your own merchant account those are your customers. With a third party processor its their customers that you are servicing.

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                                                                                              • keyboard warrior
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Jul 2004
                                                                                                • 1435
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Where in the fuck is that "MARKIBILL" GUY NOW ?

                                                                                                WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIM POST HERE!
                                                                                                - nothing here -

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                                                                                                  • directfiesta
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                    • 30174
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by keyboard warrior
                                                                                                    Where in the fuck is that "MARKIBILL" GUY NOW ?

                                                                                                    WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIM POST HERE!
                                                                                                    And SinCity

                                                                                                    and Lawyersucks...

                                                                                                    http://www.ibillsucks.info
                                                                                                    I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                                                                                    But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                                                                                      • Webby
                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                        • 14956
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        directfiesta:

                                                                                                        And SinCity

                                                                                                        and Lawyersucks...

                                                                                                        http://www.ibillsucks.info

                                                                                                        That's a bit harsh df!

                                                                                                        You remember the days of announcements on GFY that Penthouse have become the saviours of iBill and we are all going to have fun??

                                                                                                        I remember chatting with this asshole and the bottom line of the conversation was Penthouse is in good hands now and there were very sustainable plans for some amazing new release of a title (mag) in some obscure country with nada population and this was going to save the Penthouse empire and illustrated how they were MOVING FORWARD.

                                                                                                        Truth is, Penthouse never actually turned an overall profit in literally decades....

                                                                                                        They need fucking closing down - screw Chapter whatever - they are bankrupt and never will recover - just be a liability for anyone near em.

                                                                                                        Excuse those harsh words
                                                                                                        XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                                          • Forrest1967
                                                                                                            Registered User
                                                                                                            • Dec 2004
                                                                                                            • 15
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            I thought it being Monday, they would post something new up on their CMI. Nothing. And when I tried calling my rep, all I get is a machine.
                                                                                                            Forrest
                                                                                                            www.tubebear.com

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                                                                                                              • Webby
                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                • 14956
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Hi Forrest

                                                                                                                Na... they are still in the "blank everyone" stage at the moment. Can't say for sure with anything to do with iBill - it's all face, but think they may be trying to hold off till after the end of January, tho other pending stuff will probably have happened before that time.

                                                                                                                Meantime all rumors, claimed payments, promised payments and "gonna be" payments are just bs and lies.
                                                                                                                XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                                                  • MickeyG
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • May 2004
                                                                                                                    • 4134
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Webby im curious as to your interest in all this. Are you owed monies as well?

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                                                                                                                      • ibill-fraud
                                                                                                                        Registered User
                                                                                                                        • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                        • 65
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Garrett Bender and Jason Galanis are the ones that formed the Media Billing corp which controls Ibill. You can see by the links the guys we are dealing with.

                                                                                                                        Some other aricles i found about Jason and his Dad.

                                                                                                                        http://www.forbes.com/technology/20...322galanis.html

                                                                                                                        His Dad's schemes:
                                                                                                                        http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2000/0918/6608186a.html

                                                                                                                        Ibill is trying to buy more time. Time for what, that is the million dollar question. For now at least, they expect people to wait till sometime in Feb. Then when Feb comes, hmm who knows.

                                                                                                                        I'm guessing they just want to get their hands on that First Data money when it comes due in March and cut and run. Can Ibill keep the scam going that long? We shall find out. In order for the scam to finish out, Visa/Mastercard have to keep processing, the Flordia DA has to stay off their backs and delay any current civil actions against them.

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                                                                                                                          • Webby
                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                            • 14956
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            MickeyG:

                                                                                                                            Webby im curious as to your interest in all this. Are you owed monies as well?
                                                                                                                            Yep... owed money, tho I've already written that off in my mind - it's the blatant lies that I don't like. Fortunately, the money side is not going to kill us - only had one corp part-billing with em. But I've got plenty examples here of actual lying, "slanted terminology" and "avoidance" as though nothing is wrong.

                                                                                                                            I don't mind not being paid money - everyone has problems, but after laying out what we have here plus another load of background info, - this mob are just taking liberties they assume (wrongly) they can take.
                                                                                                                            XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                                                              • pxxx
                                                                                                                                First African GFY Member
                                                                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                • 12114
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Good luck with it. That is going to be a hard taske.

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                                                                                                                                  • ibill-fraud
                                                                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                                    • 65
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Webby
                                                                                                                                    MickeyG:



                                                                                                                                    Yep... owed money, tho I've already written that off in my mind -
                                                                                                                                    Ya I have written off the money as well. Maybe a year down the road when this mess is sorted out, we'll all get a check for 10% of what we were owed.

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                                                                                                                                      • tony299
                                                                                                                                        lurker
                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                        • 57021
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by ibill-fraud
                                                                                                                                        Ya I have written off the money as well. Maybe a year down the road when this mess is sorted out, we'll all get a check for 10% of what we were owed.
                                                                                                                                        IF you have written it off why are you bitching under a fake nick ?

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                                                                                                                                          • Shoplifter
                                                                                                                                            Richest man in Babylon
                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 5862
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                            IF you have written it off why are you bitching under a fake nick ?

                                                                                                                                            No shit, this is getting shrill.
                                                                                                                                            I Like Blondes

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                                                                                                                                              • Webby
                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                • 14956
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                ibill-fraud:

                                                                                                                                                Ya I have written off the money as well. Maybe a year down the road when this mess is sorted out, we'll all get a check for 10% of what we were owed.
                                                                                                                                                That's optimistic!!

                                                                                                                                                I smell this will get very messy, not just in the civil legal sense, and by the time all debts are totalled - there is nothing but a mass deficit of many millions. It has been a common track record for around three decades or more with some of these "associated companies" and individuals.
                                                                                                                                                XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                                                                                  • ibill-fraud
                                                                                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                                                    • 65
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                    IF you have written it off why are you bitching under a fake nick ?
                                                                                                                                                    I'll do what I can to collect but I know that odds are not great in seeing our money. In the meantime, I just can't sit back and watch Ibill post IBD stock bs without calling them on their bs.

                                                                                                                                                    Btw, in the Ibill merchant cmi, anyone choose the option to take IBD stock over cash?

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                                                                                                                                                      • tony299
                                                                                                                                                        lurker
                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                        • 57021
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        If you cant sit back why hide?

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                                                                                                                                                          • ibill-fraud
                                                                                                                                                            Registered User
                                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                                                            • 65
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                            If you cant sit back why hide?
                                                                                                                                                            I don't know about many times i gota tell you, I"M NOT HIDING!!!

                                                                                                                                                            This is my only user i have ever created for this board. I got multiple websites and I don't see the need to post them all in my sig. every time i do a post so spiders can spam my domains & emails. I got enough spam as it is!

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