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  • grumpy
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jan 2002
    • 9870
    #51
    Originally posted by LadyMischief
    As if him removing her content is going to make any difference at all.. if it's been up for 5 years, there's sure to have been 5000 different people who took her pics, posted them in newsgroups, etc. That's the thing, these girls think it's as simple as asking the person who shot it to remove it, but that's hardly going to make a dint in the anthill, so to speak.

    Good move, Dugmor. You remove that content and next thing you know you have 20 other "good girls" looking for favors and asking you to remove their content. If girls don't want to be seen, they shouldn't do it in the first place. I know it might seem like the hardline, but business is business.

    she is not asking for a favor. Shes asking for some compassion and help to get her life back on track. To bad its all about money and so called business ethics. I personally think that if a girl is honest about i would pull the stuf. But its an illusion that you can remove it all. And she should know it. I mean you could mail your aff. and ask and leave it up to them.
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      • AdultInsider Cloner
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        • Apr 2005
        • 1472
        #52
        Heh...... once you're out there, you're out there... period.
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          • Paul Markham
            Too old to care
            • Jun 2001
            • 52942
            #53
            Don't take this wrong, I have no sympathy for a girl who gets "Found Out" by her friends and that's from a guy who blocks Czech surfers. They take our money and sign a release. End of story.

            But there is a bigger problem which we as an industry need to consider.

            The exposure a girl in porn gets on the Internet is going to hurt us. To make it worse the exposure is often to her peer group, a situation the old delivery methods of porn did not have.

            We have lots of girls who won't do boy girl because a close friend of theirs knows a girl who did it and got "Exposed". They'll do solo girl, possibly two girl but boy girl is out. Not that she's scared of shagging a guy in front of a camera. It's because she does not want her family and friends to know.

            This did not happen with magazine and videos.

            So we are left with girls who don't care, desperate or done so much everyone and their brother knows it. And we will have to pay more.

            Be sure this girl will tell everyone she knows and they will tell all their friends and the whole thing escalates.

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              • MickeyG
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                • May 2004
                • 4134
                #54
                handled like a true pro. I commend you for it.

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                  • Tricksy
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                    • Aug 2004
                    • 2601
                    #55
                    I really feel sorry for the model but she should have known in advance what can happen when you get into this business.


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                      • BlackCrayon
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 19634
                        #56
                        everyone needs to learn that their actions, no matter how much they might not like them in the future, can't be taken back. i wish i could call up someone and have them remove certain parts of my past but its just doesn't happen. and thats life.
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                          • killshot
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2004
                            • 456
                            #57
                            Sometimes I negotiate a price that girls can buy back their content for... but many are shocked that i would ask for money.. somehow they think that once you have made money you should just remove their content for nothing.

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                              • LadyMischief
                                Orgasms N Such!
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 18135
                                #58
                                Originally posted by PostWhore
                                you are an asshole

                                He's an asshole because he picks business over a girl who didn't think ahead? Sorry, but I'd say the same thing if my girls came to me and asked to have their content removed. Such is life... and honestly, I tell my girls BEFOREhand that if they aren't prepared to have their content out there 10 years from now, to turn around and walk out the door.. Some have, but most don't. They make the choice, they have to live with it.


                                What if they have a kid, then 5 yeras later they decide they regret the decision? What, should they call the daddy and ask him to take his sperm back?

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                                  • LadyMischief
                                    Orgasms N Such!
                                    • Sep 2002
                                    • 18135
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by grumpy
                                    she is not asking for a favor. Shes asking for some compassion and help to get her life back on track. To bad its all about money and so called business ethics. I personally think that if a girl is honest about i would pull the stuf. But its an illusion that you can remove it all. And she should know it. I mean you could mail your aff. and ask and leave it up to them.

                                    It's all about money when she comes in to shoot.... Is it not? She rendered a service, compassion is good but it doesn't have a lot to do with this particular situation. And like I said before, him removing the contnet isn't going to removethe thousands of stolen images of her that are sure to be all over the internet.

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                                      • King Adam
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                                        • Jul 2003
                                        • 5408
                                        #60
                                        I think you handled yourself perfectly. For me, it would depend on how much she has worked. If she only did a few sets and they were 5 years old, I would consider it. My business does come first but sometimes under the right circumstances, I would take a model out of the loop.

                                        Models do need to take shooting more serious. A lot of them start in the biz and live a life of partying and trying to get popular. They need to think how it will affect them in the future. I always ask my models before hand if this is really what they want to do.

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                                          • dynastoned
                                            mmm yeah!
                                            • Feb 2005
                                            • 5061
                                            #61
                                            i can see it already one of these girls are going to pop up on oprah telling her story how a webmaster wouldn't take down her content and how its ruined her life. all the while most of the viewers wont realize that once the content has been put on the net there is no way in hell you could trace it all down and get rid of it even if you tried. but, in the end its going to make us all look bad to the people who haven't got a clue.

                                            good response dugmor! if the woman isn't smart enough to know what shes jumped into then thats on her not you. i wouldn't even feel bad in the least.

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                                              • Downtime
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                                                • May 2004
                                                • 7320
                                                #62
                                                I'm glad you didn't pull the content, crazy conversation
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                                                  • jacked
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                                                    • May 2004
                                                    • 11019
                                                    #63
                                                    i think she made this decision a little to late LOL if she was ever afraid of her pics being out there then she should have never gotten into the biz... i always tell girls that if you have any hesitation of doing this because your afraid that someone you know may see it then you probably are just better off not doing it at all...
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                                                      • LadyMischief
                                                        Orgasms N Such!
                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                        • 18135
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by jacked
                                                        i think she made this decision a little to late LOL if she was ever afraid of her pics being out there then she should have never gotten into the biz... i always tell girls that if you have any hesitation of doing this because your afraid that someone you know may see it then you probably are just better off not doing it at all...


                                                        Most producers I know say something like that when a new girl comes in. More proof that people these days don't want to accept the consequences of their own actions even after they've been informed about it. And it's not just limited to adult.. such is life. Our society is a "do now and try to squeak out of the consequences later" kind of society. Very sad.

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                                                          • Barefootsies
                                                            Choice is an Illusion
                                                            • Feb 2005
                                                            • 42635
                                                            #65
                                                            Hmm... as a program owner I can see your point of view.

                                                            As for me, I've had this same situation come up a handful of times. Depending on the circumstances, we consider it. We do the same thing everyone else does here, warning them that it would be on the net, and if that's a problem, then go think if over.

                                                            But we shoot a lot of girls in college, and some who are going into education, and things of that nature. So if they ask, my business partner will always tell them we will remove it for 5 times the amount we paid them. Whether one shoot, or 10. If they want to 'buy out'.

                                                            If it were me, and she had only done a half dozen sets, or something, and I had more than made my money back in 2, 3, 5 years. I would just pull it. Last thing I need is someone running to the high heavens screaming about exploitation, and blah blah.

                                                            That said, in those instances, I would have my lawyer draft a confidentialtiy agreement. Their content would be removed discreetly, and most likely noone would notice something from years ago. But if they went blabbing their mouth to the other girls, and causing a stampede of that kind of stuff, then I would put them in a position for us to sue the shit out of them via confidentiality agreement.

                                                            But that's just me.

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                                                              • C_U_Next_Tuesday
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                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                • 10581
                                                                #66
                                                                If most of these "content" girls did actually think of the consequences 10 years from now..me thinks the majority of you would be out of business.

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                                                                  • Barefootsies
                                                                    Choice is an Illusion
                                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                                    • 42635
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday
                                                                    If most of these "content" girls did actually think of the consequences 10 years from now..me thinks the majority of you would be out of business.
                                                                    Correct sire.

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                                                                      • jpoker
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                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                        • 362
                                                                        #68
                                                                        interesting thread. I started off by thinking that maybe dugmor was an ass, but finished the thread by thinking that dugmor made a wise choice.
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                                                                          • sfera
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                                                                            • Aug 2005
                                                                            • 8597
                                                                            #69
                                                                            i say negative

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                                                                              • minusonebit
                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                • Feb 2006
                                                                                • 7391
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Wow, what a mess.

                                                                                I wouldn?t remove it. People need to think about their decisions before they make them and live with the consequences and benefits alike.

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                                                                                  • AmeliaG
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                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                    • 10664
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    I would most likely not take content down, but I also most likely would not post someone's real first name and word-for-word, polite, privately made request on GFY with photos either.
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                                                                                      • The Sultan Of Smut
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                                                                                        • Dec 2004
                                                                                        • 4325
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday
                                                                                        If most of these "content" girls did actually think of the consequences 10 years from now..me thinks the majority of you would be out of business.
                                                                                        Part of me agrees with this then the other part thinks with the way most western economies are progressing there will be an over abundance of girls willing to go in front of the camera to avoid working a low paying shit job in the service industry. Still, I don't think I would have posted her conversation in a public forum.

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                                                                                          • Probono
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                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                            • 2731
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            I wonder out load if you should not explain what is out is out but you are willing to sell her the copyrights to the images and remove them from your sites. Explaining the realities that the images will never disappear.

                                                                                            She can then decide if it is worth paying your price. This makes it a clean business deal. So many young girls accept the money for modeling without understanding the potential future consequences.

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                                                                                              • tony299
                                                                                                lurker
                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                • 57021
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                these girls forget once its on the net its out there forever, the bullshit about 5 yrs of work down the drain is a bit much.

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                                                                                                  • reynold
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                    • 51271
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    okay, let her go. it's not your loss anyway.

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                                                                                                      • dunefield
                                                                                                        www.barely18movies.com
                                                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                                                        • 10920
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        I think she was rather polite about the situation... She didn't demand to have it removed and she didn't go barking her arse off...

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                                                                                                          • studiocritic
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                                                                                                            • Jun 2005
                                                                                                            • 2442
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            dugmor, kudos for doing the right thing for your affiliates.. all of us with a heart kinda feel bad for the models when they want to fold, but you made the right business decision.
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                                                                                                              • PostWhore
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                                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                • 4720
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by LadyMischief
                                                                                                                Most producers I know say something like that when a new girl comes in. More proof that people these days don't want to accept the consequences of their own actions even after they've been informed about it. And it's not just limited to adult.. such is life. Our society is a "do now and try to squeak out of the consequences later" kind of society. Very sad.

                                                                                                                wow a bitch to talk about our society

                                                                                                                you sound like a Ferengi, money first and then everything else later. It is because of people like you people can not escape their past, when they realise that they made a mistake and want to fix it, and start a new life.

                                                                                                                So by your logic, people who come to a rehab centre to stop doing drugs, should be kicked out since they do not live up to the consequences

                                                                                                                wow, i can not imagine there are bastards like you
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                                                                                                                  • bobby666
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                                                                                                                    • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                    • 21765
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    i think you must be an asshole if you post personal dialoges

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                                                                                                                      • Morgan
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                                                                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                                                                        • 10520
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        heres what you do.

                                                                                                                        offer her the option that you will remove the content, if she will do another shoot with you wearing some hot wig and makeup to look like a different girl.

                                                                                                                        a. you get laid + fresh content
                                                                                                                        b. the porn of her online will not look like her anymore
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                                                                                                                          • Xplicit
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                                                                                                                            • May 2003
                                                                                                                            • 3558
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Shes fucking ugly as hell.

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                                                                                                                              • SilentKnight
                                                                                                                                Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                                                                                                • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                                • 24812
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by jpoker
                                                                                                                                interesting thread. I started off by thinking that maybe dugmor was an ass, but finished the thread by thinking that dugmor made a wise choice.
                                                                                                                                Although I didn't think he was an ass (persay) for posting the pvt. chat, I initially thought it was a bit tactless.

                                                                                                                                But as I read through it, I realized it was conducted very smooth, professional and diplomatic.

                                                                                                                                Models must be made from the onset to realize and understand that their photos will become part of the permanent online fabric and can never be withdrawn from public once published. What they consider to be 'fun and games'...is an investment and livelihood for many of us.

                                                                                                                                Sure, we can offer to sell them the copyrights to the images if we choose, but the reality is they likely couldn't afford it once all the factors are weighed in.

                                                                                                                                I think Dugmor did a good job of illustrating how to be calm, cool and professional under the circumstances.

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                                                                                                                                  • Star 69
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                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                    • 8602
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Ones we had the same story! It was 40k contract with the 2 girls. And at the last day (shooting day) one pf them cancels the contract and tell us that she newer shoot again! Fuck
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                                                                                                                                      • aerolux
                                                                                                                                        Registered User
                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                                        • 4
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Nickless
                                                                                                                                        spoke like a true pro, almost too perfect to be true ;)
                                                                                                                                        yeah a true pro idiot! my advice is for girls to sign a clause that allows a content removal after 2 years, if not look elsewhere

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                                                                                                                                          • SilentKnight
                                                                                                                                            Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                                            • 24812
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by aerolux
                                                                                                                                            yeah a true pro idiot! my advice is for girls to sign a clause that allows a content removal after 2 years, if not look elsewhere
                                                                                                                                            Thought this one out fully, huh?

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                                                                                                                                              • OneHungLo
                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                • 40902
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                                But we shoot a lot of girls in college, and some who are going into education, and things of that nature. So if they ask, my business partner will always tell them we will remove it for 5 times the amount we paid them. Whether one shoot, or 10. If they want to 'buy out'.

                                                                                                                                                Thats borderline extortion, consult with a lawyer before you do that

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                                                                                                                                                  • aerolux
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                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                                                    • 4
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by jpoker
                                                                                                                                                    interesting thread. I started off by thinking that maybe dugmor was an ass, but finished the thread by thinking that dugmor made a wise choice.
                                                                                                                                                    dugmore dug more of fuck all, and thats all, shes not even a stable re-appearing model,
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                                                                                                                                                      • SilentKnight
                                                                                                                                                        Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                                                        • 24812
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by OneHungLo
                                                                                                                                                        Thats borderline extortion, consult with a lawyer before you do that
                                                                                                                                                        It wouldn't be extortion if you're offering to sell them the copyrights for 5x the price they were paid to model for them.

                                                                                                                                                        You own the copyrights - you can ask whatever you want.

                                                                                                                                                        If this becomes a repeat problem for a photographer, I'd be tempted to include a clause in the original modeling contract stating either:

                                                                                                                                                        1. Photos can't be removed from publication or circulation under any request or circumstances.

                                                                                                                                                        or

                                                                                                                                                        2. Copyrights to images would only be sold at X times the amount paid to model at time of production.

                                                                                                                                                        That said, its always best to consult with a lawyer who's knowledgeable about such matters. There's no replacement for good sound legal advice.

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                                                                                                                                                          • emthree
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                                                                                                                                                            • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                            • 10816
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Souls? What souls?
                                                                                                                                                            Money is money. I'm sure she's on tons of servers.
                                                                                                                                                            Last edited by emthree; 03-05-2006, 11:17 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                              • aerolux
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                                                                                                                                                                • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                                                                • 4
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by SilentKnight
                                                                                                                                                                Thought this one out fully, huh?
                                                                                                                                                                actually no i just did now though, but nonetheless content should be removed on certain occasions that i will not get into here. There are definately
                                                                                                                                                                speclal cases though, and after deep analysis i found her reasons to actually be childish and unworthy of serious consideration unfortunatly. nonetheless my human rights advocacy has me on reactive mode! And regardless i dont see why after 2 or 3 years an expiery deal on broadcast couldnt be reached. This should be fully discussed on contract sign ups so that its fare, and everyone is happy.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • aerolux
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                                                                    • 4
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by emthree
                                                                                                                                                                    Souls? What souls?
                                                                                                                                                                    Money is money. I'm sure she's on tons of servers.
                                                                                                                                                                    yeah SOULS! YOU KNOW! the ones you are possesed by and control
                                                                                                                                                                    your body! moron!..

                                                                                                                                                                    anyways i know her reasons are poor but if she wants to end broAdcast its her choice maybe the reasons are more problemetic than shes really saying and its worth taking down.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • DatingGold
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                        • 13185
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        just let her go
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                                                                                                                                                                          • je_rome
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