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  • andrej_NDC
    Registered User
    • May 2004
    • 7760

    #151
    people who bitch about how high 1,6 x anual income is, dont get the most important point. If you buy a program that makes 100k/month net, doesnt mean you will make that much each month. If you are stupid you will make less, but if you are clever, you can work on the sites, make them better, implement new ideas, get new affiliates, etc etc and make 200, 300k/month...or even more and make the money back very soon.

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    • slapass
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Nov 2002
      • 14625

      #152
      Lets face it the 1.6 takes into account industry risk and also society stigma. You can't go public with these sites. Fewer deep pocket buyers of your old porn site.

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      • martyVP
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2004
        • 1917

        #153
        Originally posted by andrej_NDC
        people who bitch about how high 1,6 x anual income is, dont get the most important point. If you buy a program that makes 100k/month net, doesnt mean you will make that much each month. If you are stupid you will make less, but if you are clever, you can work on the sites, make them better, implement new ideas, get new affiliates, etc etc and make 200, 300k/month...or even more and make the money back very soon.

        easier said than done.This business is not as easy as you claim for it to be anymore...affiliates are all situated where they want to be situated and getting them to promote new programs is not as easy as you make it appear to be.

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        • andrej_NDC
          Registered User
          • May 2004
          • 7760

          #154
          Originally posted by martyVP
          easier said than done.This business is not as easy as you claim for it to be anymore...affiliates are all situated where they want to be situated and getting them to promote new programs is not as easy as you make it appear to be.
          I didnt say its easy, if it would be that easy, everybody would do it. But its just as all the businesses are, if you are clever, you have no problems at all.

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          • Semi-Retired-Dave
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Apr 2004
            • 11190

            #155
            Marty, why don't you take that money, take the wife buy a little place in Mexico and Retire already.

            You have worked your ass off since I have known you for the last 20 years.

            I'll take over Videopass for you and send you some funds every month.

            Deal?
            Support a Good Cause

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            • martyVP
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2004
              • 1917

              #156
              Originally posted by CyberAge-Dave
              Marty, why don't you take that money, take the wife buy a little place in Mexico and Retire already.

              You have worked your ass off since I have known you for the last 20 years.

              I'll take over Videopass for you and send you some funds every month.

              Deal?

              Im callin the lawyers, get ready to sign paperwork.

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              • martyVP
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2004
                • 1917

                #157
                Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                I didnt say its easy, if it would be that easy, everybody would do it. But its just as all the businesses are, if you are clever, you have no problems at all.

                Somethings are not about being clever or not...its more about trends.

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                • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                  best designer on GFY
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 30307

                  #158
                  Why not just have me build you one?
                  It would be cheaper than 1M.

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                  • Semi-Retired-Dave
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 11190

                    #159
                    Originally posted by martyVP
                    Im callin the lawyers, get ready to sign paperwork.
                    Have your guys talk to my guys and lets get it settled.
                    Support a Good Cause

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                    • martyVP
                      Confirmed User
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 1917

                      #160
                      Originally posted by AlienQ
                      Why not just have me build you one?

                      Because the program itself is not what I need..I have the most extesive back end already built into Videopasscash.....its the webmaster base i am looking to purchase.

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                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                        best designer on GFY
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 30307

                        #161
                        I can do that to.

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                        • baddog
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Apr 2001
                          • 107089

                          #162
                          Originally posted by scoreman
                          1.6 EBITA is a number I would think would only get action from those already wanting to sell. That multiple won't interest any successful, happy owners.

                          That is probably another given

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                          • martyVP
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 1917

                            #163
                            Originally posted by AlienQ
                            I can do that to.

                            Then please do explain why you don't already have your own huge affiliate program (with all do respect to you)

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                            • Drake
                              Hello world!
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 12508

                              #164
                              The selling of programs in adult is tricky.

                              On one hand the selling price would/should be 1-2 years worth of profit or more depending on the program. Few programs would sell for anything less because they'd lose money. It would be more profitable just to run the thing or have somebody run it rather than sell it. On the other hand, adult is a much more volatile business than most with many uncertainties with regards to things like billing processing and affiliates - affiliates choose to send traffic, they don't have to. So in that respect, it would seem like a gamble even when buying a successful program.

                              This probably explains why the only major sales in adult in recent memory have been TGP's exchanging hands (ex. Worldsex purchase of AL4A), and programs having trouble being grandfathered into existing programs (Ex. Pornkings acquisition of Perfectiongirls, TripleXcash's acquisition Nocoeds). When that doesn't happen it appears that the program simply closes down.

                              Marty, what's your idea of a lot of affiliates? 30k+?

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                              • martyVP
                                Confirmed User
                                • Aug 2004
                                • 1917

                                #165
                                Originally posted by Mike33
                                The selling of programs in adult is tricky.

                                On one hand the selling price would/should be 1-2 years worth of profit or more depending on the program. Few programs would sell for anything less because they'd lose money. It would be more profitable just to run the thing or have somebody run it rather than sell it. On the other hand, adult is a much more volatile business than most with many uncertainties with regards to things like billing processing and affiliates - affiliates choose to send traffic, they don't have to. So in that respect, it would seem like a gamble even when buying a successful program.

                                This probably explains why the only major sales in adult in recent memory have been TGP's exchanging hands (ex. Worldsex purchase of AL4A), and programs having trouble being grandfathered into existing programs (Ex. Pornkings acquisition of Perfectiongirls, TripleXcash's acquisition Nocoeds). When that doesn't happen it appears that the program simply closes down.

                                Marty, what's your idea of a lot of affiliates? 30k+?

                                It does not have to be 30 thousand affiliates, it can be 1000 affiliates as long as 100 of them are real pushers.

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                                • Wizzo
                                  2011 GFY Hall of Fame!
                                  • Nov 2000
                                  • 15224

                                  #166
                                  Hey Marty, you got mail....
                                  Looking for Opportunity!

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                                  • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                    best designer on GFY
                                    • Mar 2003
                                    • 30307

                                    #167
                                    Because I make them

                                    I Do almost everything but banter around and put a smily face in front of it. Thats more for "People" things and relations which I completely suck at.

                                    I've thought about trying to come out with my own program but I aint got the umm... "the Gab" thing and such, I suck at bullshitting and putting cream on top of it all.

                                    I have always specialised in starters, getting somthing off the ground and then walk away, its just how I do business. Ya can ask around even the big fish wonder about me, alot of them I have helped at one point or another

                                    But they will all tell ya I got a bad attitude.
                                    I admit that I do

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                                    • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                      best designer on GFY
                                      • Mar 2003
                                      • 30307

                                      #168
                                      Or maybe its just because I am weird but they love me

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                                      • martyVP
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Aug 2004
                                        • 1917

                                        #169
                                        Originally posted by AlienQ
                                        Because I make them

                                        I Do almost everything but banter around and put a smily face in front of it. Thats more for "People" things and relations which I completely suck at.

                                        I've thought about trying to come out with my own program but I aint got the umm... "the Gab" thing and such, I suck at bullshitting and putting cream on top of it all.

                                        I have always specialised in starters, getting somthing off the ground and then walk away, its just how I do business. Ya can ask around even the big fish wonder about me, alot of them I have helped at one point or another

                                        But they will all tell ya I got a bad attitude.
                                        I admit that I do
                                        Fair enough

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                                        • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                          best designer on GFY
                                          • Mar 2003
                                          • 30307

                                          #170
                                          I've talked with Airik about a few things maybe it came down the pipe some to ya. Perhaps in Vegas we can chat about it

                                          Cheer's

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                                          • martyVP
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Aug 2004
                                            • 1917

                                            #171
                                            Originally posted by AlienQ
                                            I've talked with Airik about a few things maybe it came down the pipe some to ya. Perhaps in Vegas we can chat about it

                                            Cheer's

                                            He has told me you have talked to him about DRM.

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                                            • martyVP
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Aug 2004
                                              • 1917

                                              #172
                                              Originally posted by AlienQ
                                              Or maybe its just because I am weird but they love me

                                              You are alright in my book.

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                                              • Art Del Gado
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Nov 2003
                                                • 960

                                                #173
                                                Originally posted by CyberAge-Dave
                                                Marty, why don't you take that money, take the wife buy a little place in Mexico and Retire already.

                                                You have worked your ass off since I have known you for the last 20 years.

                                                I'll take over Videopass for you and send you some funds every month.

                                                Deal?

                                                Art Del Gado
                                                ICQ: 616143

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                                                • Varius
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jun 2004
                                                  • 6890

                                                  #174
                                                  How about everything for 20-25 million ?

                                                  Hosting company, over a million $ of hardware, IwantU, affiliate program...the works

                                                  On a side note, I know it's not what you are looking for at all, but have ye any interest in demoncash.com? Just the domain, no webmasters or program there for you but I like the name
                                                  Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

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                                                  • martyVP
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                    • 1917

                                                    #175
                                                    Originally posted by Varius
                                                    How about everything for 20-25 million ?

                                                    Hosting company, over a million $ of hardware, IwantU, affiliate program...the works

                                                    On a side note, I know it's not what you are looking for at all, but have ye any interest in demoncash.com? Just the domain, no webmasters or program there for you but I like the name

                                                    lol....i need more info than that.

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                                                    • KRL
                                                      Entrepreneur
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 31429

                                                      #176
                                                      Originally posted by Varius
                                                      How about everything for 20-25 million ?

                                                      Hosting company, over a million $ of hardware, IwantU, affiliate program...the works

                                                      On a side note, I know it's not what you are looking for at all, but have ye any interest in demoncash.com? Just the domain, no webmasters or program there for you but I like the name
                                                      Huh humm. Hello. Don't forget my envelope on that deal.
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                                                      • martyVP
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                        • 1917

                                                        #177
                                                        Originally posted by KRL
                                                        Huh humm. Hello. Don't forget my envelope on that deal.

                                                        envelope?

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                                                        • WWC
                                                          #1 Adult Content Provider
                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                          • 11577

                                                          #178
                                                          Interesting thread ...keep it going...

                                                          Marty wait a little more and i will buy VideoPass from you ;-)
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                                                          • martyVP
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                            • 1917

                                                            #179
                                                            Originally posted by AdultLoungeRaffi
                                                            Interesting thread ...keep it going...

                                                            Marty wait a little more and i will buy VideoPass from you ;-)

                                                            Maybe I will just give it to you

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