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  • iBanker
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2004
    • 2758

    #1

    Chargeback Letter Response

    We all know how shitty chargebacks can be for both affiliates and programs the same. I would like to know what other people think about a response like this, and the possible effectiveness of it:

    Dear Mr. XXXXXXXX,

    You are receiving this email because of your successful attempt to chargeback a transaction made on blackdickswhitechicks.com. Your IP address of XX.XXX.XXX.XXX is an exact match based on location for XXXX XXXXX Rd, North Carolina, 28105. If you were unhappy with the service provided to you by that website, we would be happy to give you a CREDIT on the purchase, back to your checking account.

    You have decided to chargeback the item instead, claiming it was a fraudulent transaction. Our systems and FIT (Fraud Investigation Team) have flagged your dispute as inaccurate. We are informing you of this in advance to try and resolve this matter amicably. We are offering you a credit on the account, which would require you to return to your bank and cancel the chargeback.

    If you chose not to cancel the chargeback, and remain under the claim that this was not a valid transaction, we will peruse a fraud investigation against you through the use of our attorneys, and state and federal court. Convictions of such offenses could cost you a minimum fine of $5,000.00 and 6-12 months imprisonment.

    Please work with us on this matter, and it will be solved immediately. You will have to respond to this email with your intentions for us not to peruse legal action against you.

    Sincerely,

    JSA Media Group, Inc.



    It is sad that the people who buy from the industry have learned they can chargeback almost anything, and too often programs flirt with that upper 1% where the gray line become black. Something need to be done about it.

    PS. Im new here, so hi everyone.
    www.JasonandAlex.com
    Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170
  • Fake Nick
    So Fucking Banned
    • Jul 2004
    • 7708

    #2
    hahahaha! ! you are going to threaten people that do a chargeback with jail time ? ? ? ?

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    • polish_aristocrat
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jul 2002
      • 40377

      #3
      Sounds like a good idea, but I am not a lawyer.
      I don't use ICQ anymore.

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      • NaughtyAlysha
        Confirmed User
        • Feb 2002
        • 1843

        #4
        I would at least fix the spelling errors... Not busting your chops, just want to make sure it sounds as professional as possible.


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        • iBanker
          Confirmed User
          • Dec 2004
          • 2758

          #5
          Originally posted by Fake Nick
          hahahaha! ! you are going to threaten people that do a chargeback with jail time ? ? ? ?
          All joking aside, it is still fraud, even if it is only for 3.95, right?
          www.JasonandAlex.com
          Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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          • Lane
            Will code for food...
            • Apr 2001
            • 8496

            #6
            If your lawyer approves it, why not..

            By the way, as far as I know, you are not allowed to go after chargebacks with many third party CC processors.

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            • iBanker
              Confirmed User
              • Dec 2004
              • 2758

              #7
              Originally posted by NaughtyAlysha
              I would at least fix the spelling errors... Not busting your chops, just want to make sure it sounds as professional as possible.
              Def. fix the spelling errors, I just typed it quick, sorry about that.
              www.JasonandAlex.com
              Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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              • Snake Doctor
                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                • Mar 2001
                • 13449

                #8
                Originally posted by Lane
                If your lawyer approves it, why not..

                By the way, as far as I know, you are not allowed to go after chargebacks with many third party CC processors.
                That is correct.
                If you have your own merchant account you can take legal action against them, but not if you use an IPSP.
                sig too big

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                • iBanker
                  Confirmed User
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 2758

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Lane
                  If your lawyer approves it, why not..

                  By the way, as far as I know, you are not allowed to go after chargebacks with many third party CC processors.
                  Well, I called WTS, and spoke with Andy, and he told me that they would have no problem with something like that.

                  I can only assume that CCBill and Paycom would be the same. And seeing that we are getting our own merchant account here in 3-5 weeks (we already applied for it), I figured I should learn as much about it as possible until then.
                  www.JasonandAlex.com
                  Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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                  • iBanker
                    Confirmed User
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 2758

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Lenny2
                    That is correct.
                    If you have your own merchant account you can take legal action against them, but not if you use an IPSP.
                    Well isn't the chargeback dispute a bank issue, not a processor issue? By that I mean, our bank and the individuals bank who signed up?

                    Thanks for the imput by the way!
                    www.JasonandAlex.com
                    Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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                    • SmokeyTheBear
                      ►SouthOfHeaven
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 28609

                      #11
                      Originally posted by NaughtyAlysha
                      I would at least fix the spelling errors... Not busting your chops, just want to make sure it sounds as professional as possible.

                      hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                      • xclusive
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 35218

                        #12
                        Welcome to GFY and great first post now

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                        • NaughtyAlysha
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2002
                          • 1843

                          #13
                          A few ideas, lol...

                          Let them know that you've logged every link they viewed on the site, and that you will forward your logs to the credit card issuing bank with sample images of what they've viewed.

                          Tell them that you will add their information to the "National Negative Database" which tracks known fraudulent internet purchasers, and that they may soon find themselves unable to make purchases online.



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                          • NichePay_Manny
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 1833

                            #14
                            Plz let us know after you check with youre lawyers if you can say all that in youre letter.I am with you people think they can call they credit card company and do a charge backs all the time .And usually is the same set of croud. babys

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                            • iBanker
                              Confirmed User
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 2758

                              #15
                              Originally posted by xclusive
                              Welcome to GFY and great first post now
                              bite me and merry christmas to you too
                              www.JasonandAlex.com
                              Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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                              • iBanker
                                Confirmed User
                                • Dec 2004
                                • 2758

                                #16
                                Originally posted by NaughtyAlysha
                                A few ideas, lol...

                                Let them know that you've logged every link they viewed on the site, and that you will forward your logs to the credit card issuing bank with sample images of what they've viewed.

                                Tell them that you will add their information to the "National Negative Database" which tracks known fraudulent internet purchasers, and that they may soon find themselves unable to make purchases online.

                                That's great advice, thanks a lot! I have to look that up now...
                                www.JasonandAlex.com
                                Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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                                • ztik
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Aug 2001
                                  • 5196

                                  #17
                                  As far as I know you can't "cancel" and chargeback.
                                  .

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                                  • iBanker
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Dec 2004
                                    • 2758

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by NichePay_Manny
                                    Plz let us know after you check with youre lawyers if you can say all that in youre letter.I am with you people think they can call they credit card company and do a charge backs all the time .And usually is the same set of croud. babys
                                    I just got off the phone with her (my attorney) and she got it in her email and read it. She feels like the proper intent is there, just not the right verbage. She is going to write another one, so she can bill us $250, and get back to me.
                                    www.JasonandAlex.com
                                    Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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                                    • iwantchixx
                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                      • Oct 2002
                                      • 12860

                                      #19
                                      wow, threatening people who charge back. stick it to em!

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                                      • iBanker
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Dec 2004
                                        • 2758

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by ztik
                                        As far as I know you can't "cancel" and chargeback.
                                        Yeah cancel is the wrong word, my bank says that an individual would reverse an affidavit on his own. Although she said that it rarely happens.
                                        www.JasonandAlex.com
                                        Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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                                        • ADL_JD
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Dec 2004
                                          • 460

                                          #21
                                          I have some experience in this and it just doesn't work. Once they have charged back it is really difficult. The best thing to do is try to manage it before they chargeback... obviously much easier to do if you have your own merchant account.
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                                          • NaughtyAlysha
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Feb 2002
                                            • 1843

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by iBanker
                                            That's great advice, thanks a lot! I have to look that up now...
                                            Well, I just made that up (National Negative Database), but it sounded good. Maybe it'll scare someone into reversing the chargeback.

                                            In all honesty, though... We've had a few chargebacks that we've disputed and won. We thoroughly check our logs, IP's, CVV2 input, AVS matches, etc., and if we feel that they are trying to charge back a legitimate transaction, we'll request an investigation and reversal.


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                                            • sean416
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Feb 2004
                                              • 3633

                                              #23
                                              I think its a good idea, but its a little harsh. Definitely hit em hard and let them know how serious this is, but you want to end the email on a more positive note. Also, what about the people who found out they're 14 yr old son stole their credit card and signed up for the site so they did a chargeback, now they're getting threatned with legal action and possible jail time? There are honest people out there who do chargebacks, I would include something that wouldnt offend those people like...

                                              "If you feel this has been a mistake for any reason, please feel free to contact us directly to dicuss the matter"

                                              Or I dunno, something along those lines. It's just all in all, that email seemed like a big "FUCK YOU WERE GONNA SUE YOU" and it would probably piss off a lot of people. If you let them know its serious, but lighten up a little.. people may be more recpetive in resolving the issue.

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                                              • SmokeyTheBear
                                                ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                • Jun 2004
                                                • 28609

                                                #24
                                                How about this..

                                                Dear XXXXX,

                                                Recently a member of your household purchased a XXX PORN membership. Our records show the transaction details as follows.


                                                Joe Blow
                                                321 cherry street
                                                IP # 127.0.0.1 ( aol time warner cable systems )

                                                Our credit card company has recieved a request for a refund for *FRAUD*

                                                State law requires us to contact police fraud investigators to seize the computer that was involved in the fraudulant purchase ip # 127.0.0.1

                                                If the purchase was not fraud or may have been attempted by a person in your own household , please contact us immedietly to prevent the seizure of your computer.

                                                Filing a false fraud report can bring up to 20 years in prison.
                                                hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                • Paco, of Large Cash.
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                  • 2267

                                                  #25
                                                  LOL ... more balls than I have.

                                                  We actually have a very low CB ratio, but for the meat sticks:
                                                  I merely remind the subscriber that they are 'in breach of the terms (provide link and specific text) and as a result their information will be added to a database so to flag them as problematic. As a result, purchases to any of our, and chances are (key words) other adult sites will be refused.
                                                  The above is in place to protect us from fraudulent activities as such?.

                                                  I find that once they hear that they MAY NOT be able to pleasure themselves with the specific card number they quickly drop their goo-spitter and reverse or cancel the CB.

                                                  I do not like to pull out the lawyer threat ? I hate lawyers, so why use them to my advantage.

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                                                  • iBanker
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Dec 2004
                                                    • 2758

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by sean416
                                                    I think its a good idea, but its a little harsh. Definitely hit em hard and let them know how serious this is, but you want to end the email on a more positive note. Also, what about the people who found out they're 14 yr old son stole their credit card and signed up for the site so they did a chargeback, now they're getting threatned with legal action and possible jail time? There are honest people out there who do chargebacks, I would include something that wouldnt offend those people like...

                                                    "If you feel this has been a mistake for any reason, please feel free to contact us directly to dicuss the matter"

                                                    Or I dunno, something along those lines. It's just all in all, that email seemed like a big "FUCK YOU WERE GONNA SUE YOU" and it would probably piss off a lot of people. If you let them know its serious, but lighten up a little.. people may be more recpetive in resolving the issue.
                                                    Thank Yeah, I'm always being told to lighten up, funny, the other day we had this old, and I mean OLD lady call in cause her grandson used her CC to sign up for a site of ours, the kid was 14 and used the user name HammerCock, with a password anal69...... obviously we helped her out, thats different, I know things like that will happen even if our best efforts are put out.

                                                    My gut tells me that 99% of our industry chargebacks are just dirtbags that think they can beat the system. It like the resaurant business where people eat the whole steak but one bite and then return it saying it was overcooked. BS.

                                                    But back to the chargeback, its not fun hitting up an affiliate on ICQ and letting him know that one of his revshare sales of 20.97 isn't gonna count cause of it, and that dropped him to 82 bucks for the pay period and he is not gonna get a check cause he is under the $100 minimum. I think we'll make the exception and send it out anyhow, hey, its Christmas.
                                                    www.JasonandAlex.com
                                                    Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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                                                    • iBanker
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                      • 2758

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                      How about this..

                                                      Dear XXXXX,

                                                      Recently a member of your household purchased a XXX PORN membership. Our records show the transaction details as follows.


                                                      Joe Blow
                                                      321 cherry street
                                                      IP # 127.0.0.1 ( aol time warner cable systems )

                                                      Our credit card company has recieved a request for a refund for *FRAUD*

                                                      State law requires us to contact police fraud investigators to seize the computer that was involved in the fraudulant purchase ip # 127.0.0.1

                                                      If the purchase was not fraud or may have been attempted by a person in your own household , please contact us immedietly to prevent the seizure of your computer.

                                                      Filing a false fraud report can bring up to 20 years in prison.
                                                      Wow, I thought ours was harsh....you rule. Want a job? lol
                                                      www.JasonandAlex.com
                                                      Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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                                                      • iBanker
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Dec 2004
                                                        • 2758

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Paco, of Large Cash.
                                                        LOL ... more balls than I have.

                                                        We actually have a very low CB ratio, but for the meat sticks:
                                                        I merely remind the subscriber that they are 'in breach of the terms (provide link and specific text) and as a result their information will be added to a database so to flag them as problematic. As a result, purchases to any of our, and chances are (key words) other adult sites will be refused.
                                                        The above is in place to protect us from fraudulent activities as such?.

                                                        I find that once they hear that they MAY NOT be able to pleasure themselves with the specific card number they quickly drop their goo-spitter and reverse or cancel the CB.

                                                        I do not like to pull out the lawyer threat ? I hate lawyers, so why use them to my advantage.
                                                        Good advice too, I think if I were to implement a little bit of everyones info, we would have a pretty bitchin letter. I'd be happy to and then have it review for legality and then post it here for general use. Thanks everyone.
                                                        www.JasonandAlex.com
                                                        Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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                                                        • BlueQuartz
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • May 2004
                                                          • 1971

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Fake Nick
                                                          hahahaha! ! you are going to threaten people that do a chargeback with jail time ? ? ? ?



                                                          you will qwikly learn this guy is 18yo and a fuckign idiot

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                                                          • robfantasy
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jun 2002
                                                            • 6445

                                                            #30
                                                            if someone knows how to chargeback your scare tactics will not work.

                                                            if you are causing massive amounts of chargebacks and base your business model around reversing chargebacks you wont be in business to long.
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                                                            • iBanker
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Dec 2004
                                                              • 2758

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by BlueQuartz
                                                              you will qwikly learn this guy is 18yo and a fuckign idiot
                                                              So be it if he is, I've been lurking on this board long enough to know who is packing what, and who just doesn't have a clue...

                                                              Everyone here knows.
                                                              www.JasonandAlex.com
                                                              Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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                                                              • imageman
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jun 2003
                                                                • 1938

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Lane
                                                                If your lawyer approves it, why not..

                                                                By the way, as far as I know, you are not allowed to go after chargebacks with many third party CC processors.
                                                                I agree, get legal advice and then do it. Its about time webmasters did something to stop these asswipes.

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                                                                • Semi-Retired-Dave
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                                  • 11190

                                                                  #33
                                                                  As funny as it may sound. I like this. May I use it.
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                                                                  • dcortez
                                                                    DINO CORTEZâ„¢
                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                    • 2145

                                                                    #34
                                                                    The issue is a 'no-brainer' for truly fraudulent 'customers'.

                                                                    BUT, you better have a lawyer explain your legal exposure, should any of your facts be wrong or should you cause any actionable damages by sending the letter.

                                                                    eg. You send the letter to the wrong person (if they can spoof IP's, addresses, especially for stolen CCs are even easier to fake).

                                                                    eg. The customer's spouse (not related to the transaction) gets the letter and has a heart attack or stroke, or uses it in a divorce settlement resulting in huge losses.

                                                                    eg. The letter gets discovered at work and a substantial job/contract is lost - worth much more than 1000 times your membership fee.

                                                                    I believe that cheaters should be held accountable, but let's not get sloppy and wreckless in the heat of the moment.

                                                                    It's always easy to jump on the 'posse bandwagon' and unfortunately, it usually takes an innocent victim to sober everyone up into a more considered approach.

                                                                    Frankly, for those of you (and I'm not suggesting anyone in particular) who lack the ethics and respect for your visitors, by trying to cheat/bypass their popup blocker settings, and whine you get cheated back, STFU!



                                                                    -Dino

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                                                                    • lloyd
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                      • 798

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by iBanker
                                                                      Dear Mr. XXXXXXXX,
                                                                      or better yet address it to Mrs.. even if you get stuck with the chargeback at least if there is a wife/mother in the household you'll have the satisfaction of knowing the probably got their ass kicked

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                                                                      • villageidiot
                                                                        Registered User
                                                                        • Jul 2004
                                                                        • 39

                                                                        #36
                                                                        [QUOTE=NaughtyAlysha]Well, I just made that up (National Negative Database), but it sounded good. Maybe it'll scare someone into reversing the chargeback.

                                                                        QUOTE]

                                                                        why don't you register www.nationalnegativedatabase.org, and put that URL in your letter, and when they go to the site, have one of those IP checker scripts on there that says, "Your IP is xxx.xxxx.xxx, and you are in City, State. Your account is currently pending an investigation with XXX.com porn company, because you have allegedly fraudulently charged back access to porn content... bla bla bla" you get the idea.

                                                                        LOL

                                                                        i am not a lawyer. doing this could get you into big trouble for all i know... but i do think it would be funny. it's probably a really bad idea. don't do it. LOL

                                                                        -vi

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                                                                        • V_RocKs
                                                                          Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                          • 32448

                                                                          #37
                                                                          How about these apples...

                                                                          I think iBanker should come on GFY and say, "I need some CB enforcement in NY, anyone can help?" Then 3 webmasters respond saying, "FUCK YEAH!"

                                                                          Then those three go to the assholes house and ask him what the fuck is up at 7pm while he is having dinner with his family. Then they call his ass repeatedly and eventually he reverses it.

                                                                          If this was being done nationwide, this kinda shit would stop.

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                                                                          • escorpio
                                                                            doesn't fuck around.
                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                            • 23485

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                                            How about these apples...

                                                                            I think iBanker should come on GFY and say, "I need some CB enforcement in NY, anyone can help?" Then 3 webmasters respond saying, "FUCK YEAH!"

                                                                            Then those three go to the assholes house and ask him what the fuck is up at 7pm while he is having dinner with his family. Then they call his ass repeatedly and eventually he reverses it.

                                                                            If this was being done nationwide, this kinda shit would stop.
                                                                            Brilliant!
                                                                            Unvaxxed, still alive.

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                                                                            • Major (Tom)
                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                              • 32492

                                                                              #39
                                                                              i definatley think there is a clause in the contract with your biller that you cannot go after people for such things.

                                                                              Duke

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                                                                              • d00t
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                • 3766

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Why the heck did you charge back anyway?

                                                                                I have been on the borderline of jailtime for fraud, chargebacks and I've worked for a very large credit corporation that handles these exact types of disputes. By charging back a real purchase you are only putting yourself at a greater risk of being screwed by the "system".

                                                                                Some points of interest:

                                                                                - Your bank will charge you for wasting their time if the dispute is ever resolved in the merchants favor. And give you a bad rep with your bank. If the amount is high and you don't do enough business with them (100k+/year) - wave your credit line with that instituion goodbye.
                                                                                - You will be blacklisted with the merchant and the merchants bank.
                                                                                - The merchant can fight the chargeback if they want, it does take time and money on their end to do so - and if they are right... their jail time threat is not so outragous.
                                                                                - People do go to jail for chargebacks, you are essentially stealing money back from them.
                                                                                - Someone has to pay the bill at the end of the day... guess who it will be if you are found to be in the wrong? Imagine 10 fraud agents were investigating it over 2 months, add private detectives costs... time wastage... not to mention legal outgoings, credit card companies time... then the government will whack their fee for wasting their time in court.

                                                                                I'm sorry, but if you charged back an amount for the sake of doing so even though you knowingly made the transaction - I hope you get what you deserve. Stealing is a crime. Fraud is a federal offense.

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                                                                                • iBanker
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Dec 2004
                                                                                  • 2758

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by CyberAge-Dave
                                                                                  As funny as it may sound. I like this. May I use it.
                                                                                  If you were referring to my letter, you can use it, although if you wait a bit, I'll post a reviewable copy from my attorney once done
                                                                                  www.JasonandAlex.com
                                                                                  Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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                                                                                  • iBanker
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Dec 2004
                                                                                    • 2758

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                                                    How about these apples...

                                                                                    I think iBanker should come on GFY and say, "I need some CB enforcement in NY, anyone can help?" Then 3 webmasters respond saying, "FUCK YEAH!"

                                                                                    Then those three go to the assholes house and ask him what the fuck is up at 7pm while he is having dinner with his family. Then they call his ass repeatedly and eventually he reverses it.

                                                                                    If this was being done nationwide, this kinda shit would stop.
                                                                                    I'll run that scenario by the attorney as well, although I don't think the Board of Directors here will approve it....lol
                                                                                    www.JasonandAlex.com
                                                                                    Christopher's ICQ: 268-843-170

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                                                                                    • iBanker
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                                                      • 2758

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by d00t
                                                                                      Why the heck did you charge back anyway?

                                                                                      I have been on the borderline of jailtime for fraud, chargebacks and I've worked for a very large credit corporation that handles these exact types of disputes. By charging back a real purchase you are only putting yourself at a greater risk of being screwed by the "system".

                                                                                      Some points of interest:

                                                                                      - Your bank will charge you for wasting their time if the dispute is ever resolved in the merchants favor. And give you a bad rep with your bank. If the amount is high and you don't do enough business with them (100k+/year) - wave your credit line with that instituion goodbye.
                                                                                      - You will be blacklisted with the merchant and the merchants bank.
                                                                                      - The merchant can fight the chargeback if they want, it does take time and money on their end to do so - and if they are right... their jail time threat is not so outragous.
                                                                                      - People do go to jail for chargebacks, you are essentially stealing money back from them.
                                                                                      - Someone has to pay the bill at the end of the day... guess who it will be if you are found to be in the wrong? Imagine 10 fraud agents were investigating it over 2 months, add private detectives costs... time wastage... not to mention legal outgoings, credit card companies time... then the government will whack their fee for wasting their time in court.

                                                                                      I'm sorry, but if you charged back an amount for the sake of doing so even though you knowingly made the transaction - I hope you get what you deserve. Stealing is a crime. Fraud is a federal offense.
                                                                                      I totally agree with you, but there is the right way to do something, the wrong way, and the legal way. Right now I'm focused on the legal way.
                                                                                      www.JasonandAlex.com
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                                                                                      • SinBucks
                                                                                        Registered User
                                                                                        • Oct 2004
                                                                                        • 331

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Welcome to the board!

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                                                                                        • Phoenix
                                                                                          BACON BACON BACON
                                                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                                                          • 35475

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          it would be nice to see the 3rd party procesors going after false chargebacks.
                                                                                          a collection agency could be formed as well.

                                                                                          all done by the book and totally legit, people would eventually figure out that charging back is not a good idea either. in a year or two of course.
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                                                                                          • Wiggles
                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                            • May 2004
                                                                                            • 14423

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by d00t
                                                                                            Why the heck did you charge back anyway?

                                                                                            I have been on the borderline of jailtime for fraud, chargebacks and I've worked for a very large credit corporation that handles these exact types of disputes. By charging back a real purchase you are only putting yourself at a greater risk of being screwed by the "system".

                                                                                            Some points of interest:

                                                                                            - Your bank will charge you for wasting their time if the dispute is ever resolved in the merchants favor. And give you a bad rep with your bank. If the amount is high and you don't do enough business with them (100k+/year) - wave your credit line with that instituion goodbye.
                                                                                            - You will be blacklisted with the merchant and the merchants bank.
                                                                                            - The merchant can fight the chargeback if they want, it does take time and money on their end to do so - and if they are right... their jail time threat is not so outragous.
                                                                                            - People do go to jail for chargebacks, you are essentially stealing money back from them.
                                                                                            - Someone has to pay the bill at the end of the day... guess who it will be if you are found to be in the wrong? Imagine 10 fraud agents were investigating it over 2 months, add private detectives costs... time wastage... not to mention legal outgoings, credit card companies time... then the government will whack their fee for wasting their time in court.

                                                                                            I'm sorry, but if you charged back an amount for the sake of doing so even though you knowingly made the transaction - I hope you get what you deserve. Stealing is a crime. Fraud is a federal offense.

                                                                                            great info mate, thanks for the post
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                                                                                            • NETbilling
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                              • 8598

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Phoenix
                                                                                              it would be nice to see the 3rd party procesors going after false chargebacks.
                                                                                              a collection agency could be formed as well.

                                                                                              all done by the book and totally legit, people would eventually figure out that charging back is not a good idea either. in a year or two of course.
                                                                                              Many of our merchants try to recover lost sales to chargebacks and have about a 30% success rate. We are glad to show them how.

                                                                                              Mitch


                                                                                              Mitch Farber
                                                                                              CEO - NETbilling, Inc.
                                                                                              Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
                                                                                              Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

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                                                                                              • iBanker
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                                                                                                • Dec 2004
                                                                                                • 2758

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by SinBucks
                                                                                                Welcome to the board!
                                                                                                Thanks man!
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                                                                                                • iBanker
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Dec 2004
                                                                                                  • 2758

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by netbilling
                                                                                                  Many of our merchants try to recover lost sales to chargebacks and have about a 30% success rate. We are glad to show them how.

                                                                                                  Mitch

                                                                                                  Hey Mitch,

                                                                                                  That is exactly why we just applied for a merchant account with you! How can I get a status update on our application? 4-6 weeks seemed like a long time.

                                                                                                  The application is under JSA Media Group, Inc.
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                                                                                                  • NETbilling
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                                    • 8598

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by iBanker
                                                                                                    Hey Mitch,

                                                                                                    That is exactly why we just applied for a merchant account with you! How can I get a status update on our application? 4-6 weeks seemed like a long time.

                                                                                                    The application is under JSA Media Group, Inc.
                                                                                                    Hi,

                                                                                                    Actually I just checked with Erin in merchant services and she verified that the app was faxed to us from you last Thursday (December 16th) and missing statements whcih you supplied to us last Friday (December 17th). We received the original from you this past Tuesday (December 21) and it was sent to the bank for approval yesterday and is in progress. Of course, not much will happen over the holidays at the banks as you probably would imagine.

                                                                                                    Be sure to stop by our booth at Internext so we can meet. We will also be speaking at both processing seminars.

                                                                                                    Thank you, Mitch Farber


                                                                                                    Mitch Farber
                                                                                                    CEO - NETbilling, Inc.
                                                                                                    Email / Phone: 888-357-8166 / 661-252-2456
                                                                                                    Transaction processing & 24/7 call center services with exceptional rates and flexibility, since 1998!

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