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  • beergood
    Confirmed User
    • Jun 2003
    • 2918
    #1

    Yahoo Vs. Dead Marine's family

    What do you think? I think Yahoo should get off the email account if they can verify.



    WIXOM, Michigan (AP) -- The family of a Marine killed in Iraq is pleading with Internet giant Yahoo! for access to his e-mail account, which the company says is off-limits under its privacy policy.

    Lance Cpl. Justin M. Ellsworth, 20, was killed by a roadside bomb on November 13 during a foot patrol in Al Anbar province. The family wants the complete e-mail file that Justin maintained, including notes to and from others.

    "I want to be able to remember him in his words. I know he thought he was doing what he needed to do. I want to have that for the future," said John Ellsworth, Justin's father. "It's the last thing I have of my son."

    But without the account's password, the request has been repeatedly denied. In addition, Yahoo! policy calls for erasing all accounts that are inactive for 90 days. Yahoo! also maintains that all users agree at sign-up that rights to a member's ID or contents within an account terminate upon death.

    "While we sympathize with any grieving family, Yahoo! accounts and any contents therein are nontransferable" even after death, said Karen Mahon, a Yahoo! spokeswoman.
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    Yes - stop being assholes
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    No - policy is policy.
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    • mardigras
      Bon temps!
      • Feb 2003
      • 14194
      #2
      Tragic as it is I've gotta side with Yahoo on this one. The guy knew he was in harm's way. If I were in Iraq I would have covered a lot of "what if's" with my family, including leaving an envelope of things I'd want them to have should something happen to me (bank account numbers, etc.).

      What if there weren't any messages in there that gave the family comfort? What if it was only messages about something that would harm their memory of him?
      .

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        • SmokeyTheBear
          ►SouthOfHeaven
          • Jun 2004
          • 28609
          #3
          They are contactint the wrong people..

          They should send me his username and i could give them access
          hatisblack at yahoo.com

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            • Peaches
              Old broad
              • Oct 2002
              • 13933
              #4
              Wouldn't a POA take care of this?

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                • Peaches
                  Old broad
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 13933
                  #5
                  Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                  They are contactint the wrong people..

                  They should send me his username and i could give them access

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                    • beergood
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 2918
                      #6
                      Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                      They are contactint the wrong people..

                      They should send me his username and i could give them access
                      indeed. Perhaps you should contact them Smokey. Offer up those skills.


                      http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3914148


                      I'm sure you could track down the father.
                      Last edited by beergood; 12-21-2004, 11:23 AM.
                      icq: 320340263

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                        • polish_aristocrat
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 40377
                          #7
                          Sorry, Laws are Laws, they should bve respected.
                          I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                            • mardigras
                              Bon temps!
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 14194
                              #8
                              If I'm not mistaken, Yahoo does not save Sent mail by default, you have to turn that on in Options. Most people probably don't do that (or even notice the option) so it's likely only mail to him in there anyway.

                              Hey Smokey, you've got till Feb 13th if you want to track 'em down
                              .

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                                • azguy
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Nov 2004
                                  • 5167
                                  #9
                                  Fuck Yahoo.

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                                    • burntout21
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Nov 2004
                                      • 164
                                      #10
                                      yahoo is right. People die everyday just because he is a marine he is supposed to be treated different from somebody who dies in a car crash? And i wouldnt want my parents reading all my emails if i died.
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                                        • azguy
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Nov 2004
                                          • 5167
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                          Sorry, Laws are Laws, they should bve respected.

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                                            • nofx
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Nov 2002
                                              • 16826
                                              #12
                                              i'd side with Y!

                                              Often times I wonder why
                                              There's love and hate, theres live or die.
                                              When sickness comes I must decide:
                                              When feelings go, theres suicide.

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                                                • kaliboy2g
                                                  So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                  • Jun 2004
                                                  • 10963
                                                  #13
                                                  No if Y! went lenient here it would open doors for the future and no one would use them
                                                  Care about me?
                                                  Who?
                                                  Me!
                                                  Who?

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                                                    • baddog
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                      • 107089
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                      They are contactint the wrong people..

                                                      They should send me his username and i could give them access
                                                      I am sure you could . . . you should contact them and offer your services

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                                                        • mardigras
                                                          Bon temps!
                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                          • 14194
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by azguy
                                                          Fuck Yahoo.
                                                          So if you died would you want your ISP to turn over to your family all of your e-mails...including all of your adult related ones?
                                                          .

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                                                            • beergood
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                              • 2918
                                                              #16
                                                              mardigras does make a good point. What if the guy was a closet freak or something? He probably wouldn't want his family reading all of his love letters between him and Juicy.
                                                              icq: 320340263

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                                                                • Manowar
                                                                  jellyfish  
                                                                  • Dec 2003
                                                                  • 71528
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Gotta side with Yahoo here too. rules are rules

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                                                                    • xclusive
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Apr 2004
                                                                      • 35218
                                                                      #18
                                                                      I would like for the family to be able too have the stuff...No harm could come from it...

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                                                                        • Probono
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                          • 2731
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Damn I better go delete all my Yahoo mail incase I diee and my family does the same thing! Yahoo is correct in their actions it was his email.

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                                                                            • Shaddam IV
                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                              • Sep 2004
                                                                              • 810
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Policy is policy.

                                                                              I'm with Yahoo.

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                                                                                • mardigras
                                                                                  Bon temps!
                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                  • 14194
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by beergood
                                                                                  mardigras does make a good point.
                                                                                  I always make a good point
                                                                                  .

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                                                                                    • Rantan
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                                      • 714
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      I was wondering how many years before something like this would come up about internet records, the familys should have access to dead peoples files where ever they're stored on the net, that is if they know they're there.
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                                                                                        • Workshop_Willy
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Oct 2004
                                                                                          • 452
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by burntout21
                                                                                          yahoo is right. People die everyday just because he is a marine he is supposed to be treated different from somebody who dies in a car crash? And i wouldnt want my parents reading all my emails if i died.
                                                                                          He died in the line of duty defending his country. Now the yahoo thing notwithstanding, that is COMPLETELY different from someone dying in a car crash.

                                                                                          You mean to tell us you don't see that?
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                                                                                            • tony299
                                                                                              lurker
                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                              • 57021
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              I agree with Yahoo its very sad but they have to protect privacy.

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                                                                                                • mardigras
                                                                                                  Bon temps!
                                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                                  • 14194
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Workshop_Willy
                                                                                                  He died in the line of duty defending his country. Now the yahoo thing notwithstanding, that is COMPLETELY different from someone dying in a car crash.

                                                                                                  You mean to tell us you don't see that?
                                                                                                  So, you die a hero saving a child from a burning building. That's a similar noble death... Cool to turn your accounts (including webmaster) over to mom and dad then?
                                                                                                  .

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                                                                                                    • EZRhino
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                                                      • 6258
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Thats fucked up. Yahoo should give up the emails to the family

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                                                                                                        • pornJester
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                                                                          • 6138
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Even though it sucks I'll have to agree with Yahoo.


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                                                                                                            • hyper
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Mar 2002
                                                                                                              • 5294
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              im sure a probate lawyer could argue a good case.
                                                                                                              all possesions are conveyed to the next of kin.

                                                                                                              that goes for bank accounts, safe deposit boxes and such

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                                                                                                                • Sarah_Jayne
                                                                                                                  Now with more Jayne
                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                  • 40077
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  that is all good until they find the emails he traded with an online cyber lover or memberships to one of our sites and then they will wish they never looked

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                                                                                                                    • Theo
                                                                                                                      HAL 9000
                                                                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                                                                      • 34515
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                      So if you died would you want your ISP to turn over to your family all of your e-mails...including all of your adult related ones?
                                                                                                                      yes

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                                                                                                                        • DarkJedi
                                                                                                                          No Refunds Issued.
                                                                                                                          • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                          • 28301
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Didn't his family think for a second that maybe there's something in there he wouldn't want them to see?

                                                                                                                          If I died and my friends and family saw my email.... Chances are no one would bother to come to my funeral.

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                                                                                                                            • mardigras
                                                                                                                              Bon temps!
                                                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                              • 14194
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by sarah_webinc
                                                                                                                              that is all good until they find the emails he traded with an online cyber lover or memberships to one of our sites and then they will wish they never looked
                                                                                                                              That's exactly what I meant earlier...only blunter

                                                                                                                              Even if you're 18 years old, if there's something you want known/done/or given to someone should something happen to you, take care of it now. Nobody has a guarantee of making it until the end of the day.
                                                                                                                              .

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                                                                                                                                • 69pornlinks
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 5560
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  No - policy is policy..shit happens i mean if i die, i would want my privacy there
                                                                                                                                  It IS what it IS

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                                                                                                                                    • JDog
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 7453
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Yahoo shouldn't give up the information to the family! It's privacy policy. Can't just give that information away. If he wanted to have his family read it - he would've left the information for them!

                                                                                                                                      I feel bad for the family - but that's Y! policy.

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                                                                                                                                        • Sarah_Jayne
                                                                                                                                          Now with more Jayne
                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 40077
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          bottom line...if you want your family to be able to access your mail and stuff after your death keep your passwords somewhere they will find them.

                                                                                                                                          Seriously, one of the best things for me was that Marc had recently printed out all his passowords from roboform. You have no idea how much easier that has made for me being able to cancel memberships to things he was paying for and getting into accounts where bill emails were going to.

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                                                                                                                                            • Easton
                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                              • 9825
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              hell no they shouldn't... if he wanted his parents to read about his life he would have given them the password... obviously he doesn't want them to see it... duh

                                                                                                                                              i'm with Yahoo! on this one
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                                                                                                                                                • arg
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                  • 1164
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  I'm sympathetic for the family, but I'd back Yahoo's position, since they specifically addressed this in their terms of service. It would be nice of Yahoo to offer a checkbox option (off by default) to release account info to someone who has legal power of attorney for the account owner. (E.g. if you pass away, or are in a coma). On the other hand, they're a business, and this wouldn't be a profitable policy...verifying POA requests would take time, and if they screwed up they could be sued.

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                                                                                                                                                    • BlueQuartz
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 1971
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                                                      If I'm not mistaken, Yahoo does not save Sent mail by default, you have to turn that on in Options. Most people probably don't do that (or even notice the option) so it's likely only mail to him in there anyway.

                                                                                                                                                      Hey Smokey, you've got till Feb 13th if you want to track 'em down
                                                                                                                                                      right on!

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