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  • UltraSonic
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    • Jul 2004
    • 1728

    #51
    50 believers
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    • Shoehorn!
      Die With Your Boots On
      • Oct 2003
      • 22872

      #52
      Originally posted by Top Jimmy
      Rush fan? My all time favorite band!

      All preordained? A prisoner in Chains.
      A victim of venemous fate
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      • CET
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        • Jul 2003
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        #53
        Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
        While for the most part I agree with you on the genetics stance, I don't agree 100%. I think that anyone, regardless of their background, can do pretty much anything they want. I know of people who came from extremely wealthy and privelaged families and ended up in prison or on the streets or whatever, and I know of people who came from nothing, with all odds stacked against them, who made millions of dollars and are real success stories.
        Then you're arguing for environmental and memetic pressure rather then genetic predisposition. My wife's mother is a good example. Her mom was just born mean. She's been a bitch her entire life, but her grandmother wasn't a bitch and tried her best to provide a good home. There was nothing her grandmother could have done to make her mother a nicer person.
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        • Shoehorn!
          Die With Your Boots On
          • Oct 2003
          • 22872

          #54
          Originally posted by CET
          Then you're arguing for environmental and memetic pressure rather then genetic predisposition. My wife's mother is a good example. Her mom was just born mean. She's been a bitch her entire life, but her grandmother wasn't a bitch and tried her best to provide a good home. There was nothing her grandmother could have done to make her mother a nicer person.
          I do see your point, but I think that if she really wanted to not be a bitch anymore, then she could do it.

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          • PHPdude
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            • Aug 2004
            • 1164

            #55
            Yeh i recon that things happen for reasons, there not random.
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            • CET
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              • Jul 2003
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              #56
              Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
              I do see your point, but I think that if she really wanted to not be a bitch anymore, then she could do it.
              Is that idea something she can seriously entertain?
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              • KRL
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                • Oct 2002
                • 31429

                #57
                Yes.

                I also believe some of us have spirits on the other side that are our guides and protectors.
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                • Shoehorn!
                  Die With Your Boots On
                  • Oct 2003
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by CET
                  Is that idea something she can seriously entertain?
                  I really think that if she wanted to, she could catch herself being a bitch and do something to stop it.

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                  • CET
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                    • Jul 2003
                    • 2754

                    #59
                    Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
                    I really think that if she wanted to, she could catch herself being a bitch and do something to stop it.
                    I don't know. That would be hard to argue and prove either way.
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                    • OzMan
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                      • Sep 2003
                      • 9162

                      #60
                      Originally posted by CET
                      So genetics play no role in who a person is to become? I'm sorry, but you're disagreeing with what modern biology and psychology are discovering then. We have basic temperments that are genetically determined. Some people are determined to be violent, some are determined to be thoughtful, some are determined to be sluts, etc. Genetics isn't everything, but it is one of the major players.
                      I think Chaos Theory, Genetics, Cosmology etc are really amazing subjects to discover some more about how the world works.

                      I didn't say that Genetics play no role. I think our genes represent a blueprint of the most likely outcomes. It is not 100% guaranteed that we will outpicture what is in our genes.

                      For example, if both parents died of cancer. Precluding smoking, living next to power lines etc it is likely that you will develop cancer at some point. However even if you carry that particular mutated gene it is not an absolute certain death sentence that you will die of cancer.

                      You can make changes in your lifestyle to improve your health, think positive, try new drugs etc that could greatly reduce or even eliminate that MOST LIKELY possibility.

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                      • OzMan
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                        • Sep 2003
                        • 9162

                        #61
                        Originally posted by KRL
                        Yes.

                        I also believe some of us have spirits on the other side that are our guides and protectors.
                        I think all of us do but most people go through their whole lives rarely listening to their intuitive side so it might as well not exist for them.

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                        • Furious_Female
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                          • Oct 2002
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                          #62
                          Originally posted by KRL
                          Yes.

                          I also believe some of us have spirits on the other side that are our guides and protectors.
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                          • XpressMedia
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                            • Sep 2004
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                            #63
                            I used to a lot, but the last couple years have began to make me have my doubts. Seems like I have no luck with men.

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                            • KRL
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                              • Oct 2002
                              • 31429

                              #64
                              Originally posted by Furious_Female
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                              • Shoehorn!
                                Die With Your Boots On
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 22872

                                #65
                                Originally posted by KRL
                                Yes.

                                I also believe some of us have spirits on the other side that are our guides and protectors.
                                I agree.

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                                • Furious_Female
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                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 8187

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by KRL
                                  I have.
                                  I read most of her books. They fascinate me...
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                                  • digest_7
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                                    • Dec 2004
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                                    #67
                                    Wecan do a choice....but sume things must happen with us....it's difficultly to express by words.....I think everyone feels that simply has happened, and that is not simple so.....it's just my Opinion
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                                    • RRRED
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                                      • Jan 2001
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                                      #68
                                      I was waiting for someone to bring up the "intuative side" Some could say that's our "protectors" or "guides" or you could say it's your own head.

                                      I know I've finally learned after 32 years to listen to that little voice that is telling me whether something is a good idea or not. If I had done that more over the years I may have avoided many costly and traumatic mistakes.

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                                      • OzMan
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                                        • Sep 2003
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                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by RRRED
                                        I was waiting for someone to bring up the "intuative side" Some could say that's our "protectors" or "guides" or you could say it's your own head.

                                        I know I've finally learned after 32 years to listen to that little voice that is telling me whether something is a good idea or not. If I had done that more over the years I may have avoided many costly and traumatic mistakes.

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                                        • OzMan
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                                          • Sep 2003
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                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by Furious_Female
                                          I read most of her books. They fascinate me...
                                          I have seen her several times on Montel. She recommends this book, a classic on the subject to learn more about OBE's, non-physical stuff etc.

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                                          • ADL Colin
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                                            • Feb 2001
                                            • 11929

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by Furious_Female
                                            I believe everything happens for a reason.
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                                            • radical
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                                              • Oct 2003
                                              • 2876

                                              #72
                                              Maybe fate can be pre-determined by 2 factors such as; causation and effect! Other variables can be added into the causation and effect like genes, nature etc etc


                                              i.e say you meet a girl/boy and think you want to have sex with her/him etc, the causation for this could be animal attraction. ones persona of finding a suitable mating partner etc

                                              The effect could be sex or no sex but also could lead into marriage etc

                                              The possibilties are endless!

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                                              • Drake
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                                                • Mar 2003
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                                                #73
                                                I do. I believe that just as the physical world is something we have no control over (for example, the way you look is a function of your genes), we also don't have control over our destiny's (or the "non-physical world").

                                                I believe our destiny is already 'written'. That doesn't mean you throw in the towel because you can't change anything. None of us know what are destiny is, so it's actually inspiring to plug away as hard as you can to see where you end up.

                                                But none of us will ever really know.

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                                                • OzMan
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                                                  • Sep 2003
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                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by Mike33
                                                  I do. I believe that just as the physical world is something we have no control over (for example, the way you look is a function of your genes), we also don't have control over our destiny's (or the "non-physical world").

                                                  I believe our destiny is already 'written'. That doesn't mean you throw in the towel because you can't change anything. None of us know what are destiny is, so it's actually inspiring to plug away as hard as you can to see where you end up.

                                                  But none of us will ever really know.
                                                  That just isn't logical to me and I would kill myself right now if that were true. Why would you bother trying to achieve anything in life if your efforts could not change your future?

                                                  The result would be the same if you made an effort or sat on your ass.

                                                  Then again I wouldn't be able to kill myself as I would have no control over my destiny right? Or if I did kill myself it must have already been "written" ?

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                                                  • Shoehorn!
                                                    Die With Your Boots On
                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                    • 22872

                                                    #75
                                                    Originally posted by OzMan

                                                    Then again I wouldn't be able to kill myself as I would have no control over my destiny right? Or if I did kill myself it must have already been "written" ?
                                                    Whenever I think about stuff like that it drives me crazy.

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                                                    • Screaming
                                                      I can change this!!!!!
                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                      • 18972

                                                      #76
                                                      to a certain extent i believe in fate yes

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                                                      • PrincessWannaLaya
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                                                        • Oct 2004
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                                                        #77
                                                        yes i believe in FATE
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