This questions been an on going debate for many years between my Brazilian wife and myself.
Brazilians are not Hispanic, b/c their culture/language/historical heritage is derived from Portugal/Portuguese, not Spain/Spanish.
There is even some reluctance on her part Brazilians to allow themselves to be categorized as "Latino". However, the term "Latino" means someone with a cultural / linguistic tie to the Iberian Peninsula, which includes Spain and Portugal. Therefore Brazilians are Latino but no Hispanic, and just because you are Latino doesn't mean your mother tongue is Spanish - it could also be Portuguese.
Originally posted by ikonworx portuguese people are not are not hispanic. Just like a El Salvadorians is not a mexican.
Wrong analogy. Mexicans and Salvadorians speak one language: Spanish. They are considered Hispanic in the US.
Portuguese are not considered Hispanic because they don't speak Spanish.
As I stated previously, Portuguese people should not be appalled at the Spanish people because they are technically the same people. Just like Caucasian Canadians and US citizens are derived from England, the area they live in is called North America, but they are different nationality.
The Spanish nation as we know it today is actually several different (united) states with their local languages and one unifying language: Spanish. The only two states to escape unification in the Spanish peninsula were Portugal and Andorra.
Many have no clue of the existence of Andorra, it is located between the borders of Spain and France.
Originally posted by bimbo in fact, they and spanish have the same origin: latin ,
so they are not spanish but they come from the same latin source..
his names, words and another things are VERY similars..
Well... Latin when used in the context of Latino/a usually means to me.. from Latin America rather than referring to the Latin roots of the language. Romanian I believe is a Latin language but a Romanian is not a Latino...
The point is how not to get killed when in Brazil or with Brazillian friends. Just don't call them Hispanic and you will never find a better friend. End of story.
No..
Portuguese = Europeans
Spaniard (Spanish) = European
Brazilian = Latin Ameirican just like the rest of latinos/as but they are not consider hispanic(which I believe is the wrong term for spanish speaking people)
from Mexico (and a lot in the US) and down we are all latin latinos / as including some islands in the caribbean...
Originally posted by Spotter_03 Hyspanic means that they derive from a Spanish speaking country. Since they dont, then NO.
They are Portuguese. End of story
Wrong... they are not Portuguese, they are Brazilian or latin ... I'm from South America with Spanish influence but that deosn't make me Spanish... I'm latin just like Brazilians...
Originally posted by milambur Just a little note, hispanic does not derive from Spanish, but from the Roman name of the Iberian Pennisula which was Hispania.....
Yes the actual origin of the word stresses the common roots in the Iberian Peninsula but the modern usage as a mostly racist term almost equated with "all those damn illegal Mexicans" to refer to anyone who looks even remotely Latino makes Brazillians especially those living in the US want to distance themselves from it.
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Originally posted by OzMan You also forgot about New Jersey
lol my whole family is of Portuguese descent and all either live or have lived in and around Newark (I grew up in Elizabeth). I miss those goddamed Portuguese restaurants on Ferry St. like you wouldn't believe.
During the 18th century, other differences between the American and European Portuguese developed. At that time Brazilian Portuguese failed to adopt linguistic changes taking place in Portugal produced by French influence. The Brazilian Portuguese remained loyal to the pronunciation used at the time of its discovery. However, when Don João, the Portuguese king, and the royal entourage took refuge in Brazil in 1808 (when Napoleon Bonaparte invaded Portugal), his presence helped to reapproximate the Portuguese spoken in the cities to the Portuguese of Portugal.
After Brazilian independence in 1822, Brazilian Portuguese became influenced by Europeans who had migrated to the central and southern parts of the country. This is the reason one finds in those areas variations in pronunciation and a few superficial lexical changes. These changes reflect the nationalities settling in each area.
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Originally posted by JerseyPuma lol my whole family is of Portuguese descent and all either live or have lived in and around Newark (I grew up in Elizabeth). I miss those goddamed Portuguese restaurants on Ferry St. like you wouldn't believe.
Originally posted by PerfectionGirls Nothing... my remarks are fact. What part of my post is not correct? Since you live in Portugal, please shead some light.
Show me where it says that any substantial amount of people speak French in Portugal on this page:
During the 18th century, other differences between the American and European Portuguese developed. At that time Brazilian Portuguese failed to adopt linguistic changes taking place in Portugal produced by French influence. The Brazilian Portuguese remained loyal to the pronunciation used at the time of its discovery. However, when Don João, the Portuguese king, and the royal entourage took refuge in Brazil in 1808 (when Napoleon Bonaparte invaded Portugal), his presence helped to reapproximate the Portuguese spoken in the cities to the Portuguese of Portugal.
After Brazilian independence in 1822, Brazilian Portuguese became influenced by Europeans who had migrated to the central and southern parts of the country. This is the reason one finds in those areas variations in pronunciation and a few superficial lexical changes. These changes reflect the nationalities settling in each area.
Show me the facts about French being the dominant language in Portugal.
During the 18th century, other differences between the American and European Portuguese developed. At that time Brazilian Portuguese failed to adopt linguistic changes taking place in Portugal produced by French influence. The Brazilian Portuguese remained loyal to the pronunciation used at the time of its discovery. However, when Don João, the Portuguese king, and the royal entourage took refuge in Brazil in 1808 (when Napoleon Bonaparte invaded Portugal), his presence helped to reapproximate the Portuguese spoken in the cities to the Portuguese of Portugal.
After Brazilian independence in 1822, Brazilian Portuguese became influenced by Europeans who had migrated to the central and southern parts of the country. This is the reason one finds in those areas variations in pronunciation and a few superficial lexical changes. These changes reflect the nationalities settling in each area.
That is like saying Argentinians speak italian and not spanish,
just because they speak it with an italian accent
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