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12-10-2004, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by $pikes
Love it Styles!

How would you suggest your product applies to a company like ours?

This product applies to ANY OFFER if you're a savy marketer, $pikes and I know the owners of http://WWW.SMASHBUCK.COM pretty well - and those are a couple of smart cats

BOTTOM LINE: More clicks = more sales!

Simplicity at it's finest!

Follow me for a sec here, buddy:

Because our Geo Marketing Product produces images ... that doesn't limit any ability you have to utilize it to the MAX!

I've said this a few times already, and I'm sure I'll say it MANY MORE ... we are supposed to be the BEST MARKETERS IN THE WORLD, right?

Well if your ads have Geo Marketing messages, why can't your site?

Welcome to all surfers from "YOUR CITY" ... the SPECIAL OFFER FROM PORNSTAR CLASSIC TODAY IS a FREE DVD for EVERY NEW MEMBER!

CLICK HERE and BLAH BLAH BLAH ...

More clicks = more sales!

It's not deceptive at all and very useful for you to generate more visitors to your site.

Once they get there, of course it's STILL YOUR JOB TO SELL THEM, but now you can have more people to sell

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12-10-2004, 06:47 PM

too bad your database is not too good.
Your way off on my ip and i live in a major city.

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12-10-2004, 06:49 PM

First time one of these geo scripts gets my location correct
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12-10-2004, 06:52 PM

Got mine right. Very cool.

I will use it to sell more fish head soup

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12-10-2004, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by sandman!
too bad your database is not too good.
Your way off on my ip and i live in a major city.

Responses like yours are somewhat frustrating, but makes me laugh also - because of you inability to think outside the box ... FORGET YOU and YOUR CITY for a minute!

LOL

All you naysayers and "this isn't MY CITY" people are missing the point.

If it's accurate only 70% of the time and doubles or triples click-thru rates and revenue- wtf?

GeoMarketing can NEVER be 100% accurate ALL THE TIME.

There are a number of variables at play. The geo solution provider where you get your "database" from, who owns the IPs in what city (which ISP), whether or not you're surfing on proxies or AOL, etc.

We're looking at 70% - 80% accuracy with what we're providing presently.

That's HUGE when you takeinto consideration the following:

The fact of the matter is simply that surfers are somehow drawn to click when they see their city or something in their closely surrounding area ... THAT'S IT!

More clicks translates into more sales ... WAKE UP!

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12-10-2004, 06:55 PM

when i close my eyes and visualize marketing, i dont see $$$ signs or numbers.

i see dragons.

and they are all under our control.

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12-10-2004, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by J$tyle$
Responses like yours makes me laugh.

All you naysayers and "this isn't MY CITY" people are missing the point.

If it's accurate only 70% of the time and doubles or triples click-thru rates and revenue- wtf?

GeoMarketing can NEVER be 100% accurate ALL THE TIME.

There are a number of variables at play. The geo solution provider where you get your "database" from, who owns the IPs in what city (which ISP), whether or not you're surfing on proxies or AOL, etc.

We're looking at 70% - 80% accuracy with what we're providing presently.

That's HUGE when you takeinto consideration the following:

The fact of the matter is simply that surfers are somehow drawn to click when they see their city or something in their closely surrounding area ... THAT'S IT!

More clicks translates into more sales ... WAKE UP!

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12-10-2004, 06:57 PM

and it will never be 100% accurate.

i live on borderline of city and ip leads to city over.

it will never be totally accurate, its impossible.

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Originally posted by sandman!
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12-10-2004, 06:57 PM

not to mention the bajillion of folks on services like aol which usually dial into cities near them.

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12-10-2004, 07:00 PM

Good stuff
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12-10-2004, 07:07 PM

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and it will never be 100% accurate.

i live on borderline of city and ip leads to city over.

it will never be totally accurate, its impossible.

I live in chicago and i get a city 20 miles away.

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12-10-2004, 07:09 PM

Where the hell is Eustis ?

Edit: Nevermind. Maybe you should use more popular cities ?

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12-10-2004, 07:13 PM

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Where the hell is Eustis ?

Edit: Nevermind. Maybe you should use more popular cities ?

Eustis is located in Lake County off of Hwy 44, between Umatilla and Mount Dora at the east banks of Lake Eustis. Eustis is part of the Orlando metro area.

How far away are you from Orlando?

Use more popular cities?

Might be where your ISP that owns your IP's resides

BTW - there's one in Maine too

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12-10-2004, 07:35 PM

It would be nice if it actually said my city. I've seen others get it right down to my town.
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12-10-2004, 07:36 PM

Very nice!
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12-10-2004, 07:44 PM

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It would be nice if it actually said my city. I've seen others get it right down to my town.

I'll say it yet again

Originally posted by J$tyle$

Responses like yours makes me laugh.

All you naysayers and "this isn't MY CITY" people are missing the point.

If it's accurate only 70% of the time and doubles or triples click-thru rates and revenue- wtf?

GeoMarketing can NEVER be 100% accurate ALL THE TIME.

There are a number of variables at play. The geo solution provider where you get your "database" from, who owns the IPs in what city (which ISP), whether or not you're surfing on proxies or AOL, etc.

We're looking at 70% - 80% accuracy with what we're providing presently.

That's HUGE when you takeinto consideration the following:

The fact of the matter is simply that surfers are somehow drawn to click when they see their city or something in their closely surrounding area ... THAT'S IT!

More clicks translates into more sales ... WAKE UP!

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12-10-2004, 07:44 PM

Database is good here, closer by about 3000 miles than realitycash's geo

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12-10-2004, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
Database is good here, closer by about 3000 miles than realitycash's geo

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12-10-2004, 07:47 PM

got my city right!

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12-10-2004, 07:47 PM

it's showing what my part of the city used to be called 20 years ago. now that's pretty acurate!
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12-10-2004, 07:48 PM

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got my city right!

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12-10-2004, 07:49 PM

I think your database is off:
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12-10-2004, 07:50 PM

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12-10-2004, 07:51 PM

damn that's pretty cool... got the name of my town bang on.
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12-10-2004, 07:53 PM

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I think your database is off:

LMFAO

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12-10-2004, 07:55 PM

You probably didn't even realize you had Baghdad in your database!
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12-10-2004, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by J$tyle$
This product applies to ANY OFFER if you're a savy marketer, $pikes and I know the owners of http://WWW.SMASHBUCK.COM pretty well - and those are a couple of smart cats

BOTTOM LINE: More clicks = more sales!

Simplicity at it's finest!

Follow me for a sec here, buddy:

Because our Geo Marketing Product produces images ... that doesn't limit any ability you have to utilize it to the MAX!

I've said this a few times already, and I'm sure I'll say it MANY MORE ... we are supposed to be the BEST MARKETERS IN THE WORLD, right?

Well if your ads have Geo Marketing messages, why can't your site?

Welcome to all surfers from "YOUR CITY" ... the SPECIAL OFFER FROM PORNSTAR CLASSIC TODAY IS a FREE DVD for EVERY NEW MEMBER!

CLICK HERE and BLAH BLAH BLAH ...

More clicks = more sales!

It's not deceptive at all and very useful for you to generate more visitors to your site.

Once they get there, of course it's STILL YOUR JOB TO SELL THEM, but now you can have more people to sell

ICQ ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR INQUIRES!

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12-10-2004, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by J$tyle$
This product applies to ANY OFFER if you're a savy marketer, $pikes and I know the owners of http://WWW.SMASHBUCK.COM pretty well - and those are a couple of smart cats

BOTTOM LINE: More clicks = more sales!

Simplicity at it's finest!

Follow me for a sec here, buddy:

Because our Geo Marketing Product produces images ... that doesn't limit any ability you have to utilize it to the MAX!

I've said this a few times already, and I'm sure I'll say it MANY MORE ... we are supposed to be the BEST MARKETERS IN THE WORLD, right?

Well if your ads have Geo Marketing messages, why can't your site?

Welcome to all surfers from "YOUR CITY" ... the SPECIAL OFFER FROM PORNSTAR CLASSIC TODAY IS a FREE DVD for EVERY NEW MEMBER!

CLICK HERE and BLAH BLAH BLAH ...

More clicks = more sales!

It's not deceptive at all and very useful for you to generate more visitors to your site.

Once they get there, of course it's STILL YOUR JOB TO SELL THEM, but now you can have more people to sell

ICQ ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR INQUIRES!

Mr $tyles....you are so fucking nice! The ad looks really good!

This looks like some big time Killer Shrimp Lunchs for this kind of Love buddy! Mr Spikes has his whole system down right now, but I called him, he will be back up online tomorrow, and I saved him this link to check this out.

Geo looks sweet !

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12-10-2004, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by J$tyle$
This product applies to ANY OFFER if you're a savy marketer, $pikes and I know the owners of http://WWW.SMASHBUCK.COM pretty well - and those are a couple of smart cats

BOTTOM LINE: More clicks = more sales!

Simplicity at it's finest!

Follow me for a sec here, buddy:

Because our Geo Marketing Product produces images ... that doesn't limit any ability you have to utilize it to the MAX!

I've said this a few times already, and I'm sure I'll say it MANY MORE ... we are supposed to be the BEST MARKETERS IN THE WORLD, right?

Well if your ads have Geo Marketing messages, why can't your site?

Welcome to all surfers from "YOUR CITY" ... the SPECIAL OFFER FROM PORNSTAR CLASSIC TODAY IS a FREE DVD for EVERY NEW MEMBER!

CLICK HERE and BLAH BLAH BLAH ...

More clicks = more sales!

It's not deceptive at all and very useful for you to generate more visitors to your site.

Once they get there, of course it's STILL YOUR JOB TO SELL THEM, but now you can have more people to sell

ICQ ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR INQUIRES!

Hey buddy, one problem with the first post, web address is
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12-10-2004, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by sandman!
I live in chicago and i get a city 20 miles away.

I would have to say if it targeted you within 20 miles of your location.. that is a pretty damn good geo target.

I am very impressed with it! Keep up the good work J!

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12-10-2004, 08:34 PM

Wow, it definately seems to work - thats my city in the screenshot.
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12-10-2004, 08:38 PM

got my city correct. Just think even if it gets a town around you .. that's more local than what it could have said. I think it's great remembers me a lot of the retina scans and how they bring up personalized ads in Minority Report. -g
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12-10-2004, 09:03 PM

Sorry, stupid question, what AOL ppl see? not all virginia?
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12-10-2004, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by J$tyle$
Responses like yours are somewhat frustrating, but makes me laugh also - because of you inability to think outside the box ... FORGET YOU and YOUR CITY for a minute!

LOL

All you naysayers and "this isn't MY CITY" people are missing the point.

If it's accurate only 70% of the time and doubles or triples click-thru rates and revenue- wtf?

GeoMarketing can NEVER be 100% accurate ALL THE TIME.

There are a number of variables at play. The geo solution provider where you get your "database" from, who owns the IPs in what city (which ISP), whether or not you're surfing on proxies or AOL, etc.

We're looking at 70% - 80% accuracy with what we're providing presently.

That's HUGE when you takeinto consideration the following:

The fact of the matter is simply that surfers are somehow drawn to click when they see their city or something in their closely surrounding area ... THAT'S IT!

More clicks translates into more sales ... WAKE UP!

Sorry, but the '70% ok, 30% not ok is good enough' reasoning does not work for all of us.

This is akin to the popup rationale which suggests that unless a surfer signs up, their experience of your site is irrelevent.

Some of us don't necessarily just funnel our surfers through corrals until they sign up or get lost.

There is no question that acurrate recognition of a surfer's location and geo-sensitive content can be very effective.

But, some sites actually host to communities of surfers who recognize quality of experience and when a site says 'look how sharp our technology is' 70% of the time and 'look at how stupid we are' 30% of the time, that ratio might not be worth the negative impact.

For a 'tag em and bag site' even 50/50 is ok, but I'd like to see at least 90% accuracy before I start tell the other 10% of my market that my technology sucks.

As I understand, there are accurate databases available but they cost real money. This may not even be an issue about using geo-ip, it may be an issue about using the free databases for geo-ip.

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BTW: geo-ip gives me the wrong city, wrong state, and wrong country
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12-10-2004, 10:06 PM

$tyles! I've been off all day configuring the office network and just saw this and it kicks major ass! I've got a few ideas for it already.

I'm seeing one of our world famous Killer Shrimp meetings when Mike is in town next week and lets do some biz.

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12-10-2004, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by Crypt
Sorry, stupid question, what AOL ppl see? not all virginia?

Again, GeoMarketing can NEVER be 100% accurate ALL THE TIME.

There are a number of variables at play. The geo solution provider where you get your "database" from, who owns the IPs in what city (which ISP), whether or not you're surfing on proxies or AOL, etc.

BTW - It is my understanding that AOL has cut deals with a number of ISP's to offer service - so not all IP's are in Virginia. (Although I could be wrong)

Also, under the condition that (for whatever reason) our system can not read the IP at all or the're no relevent data for a particular IP - then it will literally default to the words "YOUR TOWN" or "YOUR CITY" ... this way at least the ad makes sense

For example: "Meet hot chicks in YOUR TOWN!"
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12-10-2004, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by dcortez
Sorry, but the '70% ok, 30% not ok is good enough' reasoning does not work for all of us.

This is akin to the popup rationale which suggests that unless a surfer signs up, their experience of your site is irrelevent.

Some of us don't necessarily just funnel our surfers through corrals until they sign up or get lost.

There is no question that acurrate recognition of a surfer's location and geo-sensitive content can be very effective.

But, some sites actually host to communities of surfers who recognize quality of experience and when a site says 'look how sharp our technology is' 70% of the time and 'look at how stupid we are' 30% of the time, that ratio might not be worth the negative impact.

For a 'tag em and bag site' even 50/50 is ok, but I'd like to see at least 90% accuracy before I start tell the other 10% of my market that my technology sucks.

As I understand, there are accurate databases available but they cost real money. This may not even be an issue about using geo-ip, it may be an issue about using the free databases for geo-ip.

-Dino

BTW: geo-ip gives me the wrong city, wrong state, and wrong country

First, I know I can't please all the people, and everyone has their own opinion.

I respect yours wholeheartedly.

Just to address one point though, no database is 90% accurate or better JUST DUE to the fact that there are X% of surfers on proxies, AOL, and because ISP's that own IP's aren't in the same cities as their customer's/subscribers ... that's the long and short of it.

Secondly, when I have client's that post real world results that say:

Originally posted by adamorgasm
one of the tests we ran did 98 profiles and 9 sales from a nongeotargeted ad that just said "find a fuck buddy in your area", the geotargeted version did 680 profiles and 39 sales

if you want to use ads like these just ask Marina & she'll hook you up

then I look at that as a business man and say WOW!

We helped SEXSEARCH.COM and their participating webmasters increase revenues by approximately 4 times!!!

I don't need to convince you what's right or wrong.

I know this works and that BUSINESS is a numbers game!

Honestly, I'm not in the "community site" business ... but I AM a sales and marketing pro!

Best of luck in all you do, bro!

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12-10-2004, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by J$tyle$
Also, under the condition that (for whatever reason) our system can not read the IP at all or the're no relevent data for a particular IP - then it will literally default to the words "YOUR TOWN" or "YOUR CITY" ... this way at least the ad makes sense

For example: "Meet hot chicks in YOUR TOWN!"

But how would you do that if it is not accurate?

Geo-IP give results for most IPs - wrong results in many cases.

How would you know if you have a good result or a bad result?

If YOU can tell that a geo-ip result is wrong, why can't it?

BTW: I've been using geo-ip for a very long time because it does have its uses, but I only resolve to Country and Canada/USA are combined into one so the problems with north american proxy (aol) users don't impact my success.

I'm sure in time better databases will be available.

It's a great idea, but it's not really new and I'm not sure why there is so much hype about it now all of a sudden.

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12-11-2004, 12:43 AM

dcortez

Re-read the post you just quoted above.

Re-read it S_L_O_W_L_Y

I already explained how

Re-read it a few times if you don't get it - the answer is there
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12-11-2004, 08:20 AM

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dcortez

Re-read the post you just quoted above.

Re-read it S_L_O_W_L_Y

I already explained how

Re-read it a few times if you don't get it - the answer is there

Sorry, I thought this was a discussion.

My bad.

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12-11-2004, 08:22 AM

good stuff
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12-11-2004, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by dcortez
Sorry, I thought this was a discussion.

My bad.

-Dino

It is, but the anwer was right there for you

No need for me to repeat myself when the answer is there in plain sight, right?

... and we can discuss as much as you want - I'm opinion to your opinion or any facts you wasnt to share. It's why I started this thread.
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12-11-2004, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by dcortez
Sorry, but the '70% ok, 30% not ok is good enough' reasoning does not work for all of us.

This is akin to the popup rationale which suggests that unless a surfer signs up, their experience of your site is irrelevent.

Some of us don't necessarily just funnel our surfers through corrals until they sign up or get lost.

There is no question that acurrate recognition of a surfer's location and geo-sensitive content can be very effective.

But, some sites actually host to communities of surfers who recognize quality of experience and when a site says 'look how sharp our technology is' 70% of the time and 'look at how stupid we are' 30% of the time, that ratio might not be worth the negative impact.

For a 'tag em and bag site' even 50/50 is ok, but I'd like to see at least 90% accuracy before I start tell the other 10% of my market that my technology sucks.

As I understand, there are accurate databases available but they cost real money. This may not even be an issue about using geo-ip, it may be an issue about using the free databases for geo-ip.

-Dino

BTW: geo-ip gives me the wrong city, wrong state, and wrong country

The solution for you is simple - just don't use those geo-targeted ads.

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12-11-2004, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by The Other Steve
The solution for you is simple - just don't use those geo-targeted ads.

where were you last night?

you could have saved me a lot of typing!

I'm going to quote this post from now on - over and over again!

LOL
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OzMan

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12-11-2004, 10:33 AM

This thread gets my vote for the thread having the most people that don't read before they post. Props to J$tyle$ for your patience

Unless you REALLY think that you have a high percentage of return visitors that will never come back if you get their town wrong, give it a shot for a week and see rather than basing it on whether it got YOU correct.
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12-11-2004, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by OzMan
This thread gets my vote for the thread having the most people that don't read before they post. Props to J$tyle$ for your patience

Unless you REALLY think that you have a high percentage of return visitors that will never come back if you get their town wrong, give it a shot for a week and see rather than basing it on whether it got YOU correct.

Thanks, brotha!

... and very well said!
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12-11-2004, 05:34 PM

lookin good
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