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  • CET
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    • Jul 2003
    • 2754

    #1

    New National ID Bill

    I hate to say it, but Bush may save America from a terrible mistake made by our legislature.

    Congressman Ron Paul Denounces New National ID Bill

    The U.S. House and Senate have passed a sweeping new intelligence bill
    that contains provisions for a de facto national ID card. Congress
    passed the bill despite having only a few hours to read the 3,000-plus
    pages final version.

    During the House debate, libertarian U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) rose
    to the floor to denounce the bill, particularly the national ID
    provisions.

    ?National ID cards are not proper in a free society,? Paul declared.
    ?This is America, not Soviet Russia. The federal government should never
    be allowed to demand papers from American citizens, and it certainly
    has no constitutional authority to do so.

    ?A national identification card, in whatever form it may take, will
    allow the federal government to inappropriately monitor the movements and
    transactions of every American,? Paul continued. ?History shows that
    governments inevitably use such power in harmful ways. The 9-11
    commission, whose recommendations underlie this bill, has called for *internal*
    screening points where identification will be demanded. Domestic travel
    restrictions are the hallmark of authoritarian states, not free
    nations. It is just a matter of time until those who refuse to carry the new
    licenses will be denied the ability to drive or board an airplane.

    ?Nationalizing standards for drivers licenses and birth certificates,
    and linking them together via a national database, creates a national ID
    system pure and simple. Proponents of the national ID understand that
    the public remains wary of the scheme, so they attempt to claim they?re
    merely creating new standards for existing state IDs. Nonsense! This
    legislation imposes federal standards in a federal bill, and it creates a
    federalized ID regardless of whether the ID itself is still stamped
    with the name of your state.

    ?Those who are willing to allow the government to establish a
    Soviet-style internal passport system because they think it will make us safer
    are terribly mistaken,? Paul concluded. ?Subjecting every citizen to
    surveillance and screening points actually will make us less safe, not in
    the least because it will divert resources away from tracking and
    apprehending terrorists and deploy them against innocent Americans! Every
    conservative who believes in constitutional restraints on government
    should reject the authoritarian national ID card and the nonsensical
    intelligence bill itself.?

    Unfortunately, Republicans and Democrats alike failed to heed Paul?s
    warning. The bill was passed by the House 336-75 with 67 of the
    dissenters Republicans defying strong pressure from President Bush. The bill
    then passed the Senate 89-2. It could be signed by the president by
    week's end.

    Interestingly, just one day before the U.S. House vote, the British
    government also announced plans to introduce biometric national ID card
    starting in 2008. According to Prime Minister Tony Blair: "With
    terrorism, illegal immigration and organized crime operating with so much
    greater sophistication, identity cards in my judgment are long overdue."

    Opponents say the battle against a national ID, and the fast-growing
    national security state that supports such tyranny, will continue.

    (Sources: ?Congressman Paul Denounces National ID Card,?
    http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press2004/pr120704.htm
    British National ID:
    http://www.indystar.com/articles/7/197119-1737-010.html )

    * * *

    ?Not even considering the idea??

    ?The White House will not pursue a national identification card system,
    despite renewed clamor from pockets of government and industry
    following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. ?We are not even considering the
    idea,? said a Bush spokesman on Thursday.?

    -- InfoWorld, September 27, 2001

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  • CET
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    • Jul 2003
    • 2754

    #2
    A bump for the national ID card.
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    • the Shemp
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      • Nov 2001
      • 10891

      #3
      i think they could just laser burn the Social Security numbers on peoples foreheads......
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      • ProjectNaked
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        • Jul 2004
        • 4309

        #4
        We are all screwed if this happens....This is one of the most
        UN-FREE countries already. With this it will get totally out of control. I used to joke around in High School and say I was going to move out of the country, now it is a reality. Pretty sad when you can't even walk down the street with-out your drivers license.

        Land of the free and home of the governmentally oppressed.




        sad that the government feels it must be the mommy of every citizen.

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        • Brown Bear
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          • May 2002
          • 4982

          #5
          Isn't the SSN card basically a national ID?
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          • xclusive
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            • Apr 2004
            • 35218

            #6
            Does it piss anybody else off that we are actually paying these fuckers to do this to us...

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            • FIX01
              Confirmed User
              • Dec 2004
              • 183

              #7
              Originally posted by Brown Bear
              Isn't the SSN card basically a national ID?
              yes it is but without the 'real time' scanning capabilities that would instantly indentify everything about you and track your every move in the swipe of a card.

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              • Brown Bear
                Confirmed User
                • May 2002
                • 4982

                #8
                Even if this doesn't happen now, I'd say it's only a matter of time until it is introduced, and once something like that is introduced, it's never going away.
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                • the Shemp
                  congrats to the winners
                  • Nov 2001
                  • 10891

                  #9
                  orwell was 20 years off...
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                  • mardigras
                    Bon temps!
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 14194

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Brown Bear
                    Isn't the SSN card basically a national ID?
                    No, that's just proof of a Social Security number. With no pic on it you could not present just it as ID anywhere.
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                    • smack
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                      • Mar 2002
                      • 10652

                      #11
                      i hope he does the right thing and strikes this bill down. but he has a habit of saying one thing and doing another.
                      Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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                      • mardigras
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                        • Feb 2003
                        • 14194

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Brown Bear
                        Even if this doesn't happen now, I'd say it's only a matter of time until it is introduced, and once something like that is introduced, it's never going away.
                        I'd much rather an ID card than they get keen on implants

                        There's some family that got chipped and now they are leading a movement to popularize the idea.
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                        • Mr. Pat
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                          • Jul 2004
                          • 547

                          #13
                          "your papers please"
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                          • HeadPimp
                            Bad Mo-Fo
                            • Jul 2001
                            • 2772

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ProjectNaked
                            We are all screwed if this happens....This is one of the most
                            UN-FREE countries already. With this it will get totally out of control. I used to joke around in High School and say I was going to move out of the country, now it is a reality. Pretty sad when you can't even walk down the street with-out your drivers license.
                            Shit... it has never been a good idea to walk around without ID. Got stopped walking to the theater once and didn't have my wallet with me. About got arrested 'cause I looked like a guy that had just beat some chick up. Luckily I had friends with me.

                            And does anyone really think that they don't keep track of anyone that they want, whenever they want to?

                            It is nearly impossible to live completely off the radar these days.

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                            • Manowar
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                              • Dec 2003
                              • 71528

                              #15
                              Originally posted by the Shemp
                              orwell was 20 years off...

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                              • datezonline
                                A man trapped in a woman's body
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 450

                                #16
                                better to die fighting than live like a coward
                                epassporte are assholes with bad service and no fraud protection, they are based offshore in st kitts so they cant be sued when they fuck you over

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                                • broke
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Aug 2003
                                  • 4501

                                  #17
                                  One step closer to the Second American Revolution.
                                  Perfect Gonzo

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                                  • datezonline
                                    A man trapped in a woman's body
                                    • Nov 2004
                                    • 450

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by broke
                                    One step closer to the Second American Revolution.
                                    you mean the armchair revolution?
                                    epassporte are assholes with bad service and no fraud protection, they are based offshore in st kitts so they cant be sued when they fuck you over

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                                    • broke
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                                      • Aug 2003
                                      • 4501

                                      #19
                                      No.
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                                      • jimmyf
                                        OU812
                                        • Feb 2001
                                        • 12651

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by the Shemp
                                        i think they could just laser burn the Social Security numbers on peoples foreheads......
                                        sounds like a plan you 1st
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                                        • the Shemp
                                          congrats to the winners
                                          • Nov 2001
                                          • 10891

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by jimmyf
                                          sounds like a plan you 1st
                                          im canadian, the govt looks after me from birth to grave....
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                                          • DEA - banned for life
                                            V.I.P.
                                            • Nov 2004
                                            • 7886

                                            #22
                                            why not got with the IDmicro chip..i got them for both of my dogs...just scan them and all there info pops right up..maybe the cops can just hit passing car with a scanner and find wanted criminals and known drug offenders..sounds like WW2 germany "yor paypahz pleeze! where are yor paypahz!"

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                                            • drctfiesta
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                                              • Sep 2004
                                              • 1821

                                              #23
                                              YOU ARE ALL SO STUPID, IT'S PATHETIC.
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                                              • Tala
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                                                • Dec 2002
                                                • 23368

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by drctfiesta
                                                YOU ARE ALL SO STUPID, IT'S PATHETIC.
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                                                • drctfiesta
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                                                  • Sep 2004
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Tala
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                                                  • Webby
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                    • 14956

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by drctfiesta
                                                    YOU ARE ALL SO STUPID, IT'S PATHETIC.


                                                    Hell knows why, but I actually got a load of IRS tax forms in the mail along with some suggestion I fill them in.

                                                    Considering I have nada relationship/citizenship/business in the US and never will have - I was just curious as to why the US IRS consider I need to account to them and presumably pay taxes :-)

                                                    It's like the Icelandic government sending tax forms to someone living in Brazil... DUH??

                                                    Suppose they must be kinda short of money or something....
                                                    Last edited by Webby; 12-10-2004, 06:00 PM.
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